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Posted: 5/27/2020 1:48:22 PM EDT
 CATH-MIN-GOV-WEEK #2: Can A Catholic Be A Socialist? w/ Trent Horn The answer is no. |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 2:12:46 PM EDT
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Something special that keeps them from being stupid?
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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:43:10 PM EDT
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A lot of central and South America is Catholic, and I do believe they are a hot bed of socialism.
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Posted: 5/28/2020 11:00:21 AM EDT
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Almost everyone is part socialist, at least when it comes to his or her immediate family.
I am not a socialist because problems arise as you scale up from nuclear family to extended family, clan, tribe, city, etc. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 11:03:01 AM EDT
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Thank you for the video. The Gordon brothers are solid dudes. I read their Rules for Retrogrades book last month, which was not bad. My expectations were probably too high at the beginning after having read Tim's Catholic Republic, which is an awesome book. Trent is a good dude too (though I don't fully agree with him on the evolution of doctrine). I actually met him last summer.
Quoted: Something special that keeps them from being stupid? The question obviously is if it is permissible for a Catholic to be a socialist. Quoted: A lot of central and South America is Catholic, and I do believe they are a hot bed of socialism. Are you trying to establish causation or just making random statements? |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 3:28:40 PM EDT
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No true catholic.
 Look at the current pope. South American Jesuit...the SOJ’s Social Justice doctrine always has floated close with Marxism. JPII made it very clear that Marxism is not compatible with Christianity. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 1:43:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No true catholic. Look at the current pope. South American Jesuit...the SOJ’s Social Justice doctrine always has floated close with Marxism. JPII made it very clear that Marxism is not compatible with Christianity. Liberation Theology. Starting in the mid 60's many of the hierarchy, clergy, and almost all nuns slowly morphed from trying to convert and save souls through hard truth to making everything "fair". This fairness also includes the Freemasonic platform that all religions are equal in God's eyes including the pagan earth worshipers. Then we wonder why so many Catholics leave the Church to shop around for the religion that most tickles their ears or even drop religion all together. We're all going to heaven anyhow so why does it matter, right? |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 6:38:08 PM EDT
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2408 The seventh commandment forbids theft, that is, usurping another's property against the reasonable will of the owner. There is no theft if consent can be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods. This is the case in obvious and urgent necessity when the only way to provide for immediate, essential needs (food, shelter, clothing . . .) is to put at one's disposal and use the property of others.191 Anyone interested on the topic ought to bone up on the rcc teaching of the UDOG. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm It's not a clean neat 1:1 fit on socialism but ... well, go read @ the link for yourself. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liberation Theology. Starting in the mid 60's many of the hierarchy, clergy, and almost all nuns slowly morphed from trying to convert and save souls through hard truth to making everything "fair". This fairness also includes the Freemasonic platform that all religions are equal in God's eyes including the pagan earth worshipers. Then we wonder why so many Catholics leave the Church to shop around for the religion that most tickles their ears or even drop religion all together. We're all going to heaven anyhow so why does it matter, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No true catholic. Look at the current pope. South American Jesuit...the SOJ’s Social Justice doctrine always has floated close with Marxism. JPII made it very clear that Marxism is not compatible with Christianity. Liberation Theology. Starting in the mid 60's many of the hierarchy, clergy, and almost all nuns slowly morphed from trying to convert and save souls through hard truth to making everything "fair". This fairness also includes the Freemasonic platform that all religions are equal in God's eyes including the pagan earth worshipers. Then we wonder why so many Catholics leave the Church to shop around for the religion that most tickles their ears or even drop religion all together. We're all going to heaven anyhow so why does it matter, right? 
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone interested on the topic ought to bone up on the rcc teaching of the UDOG. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm It's not a clean neat 1:1 fit on socialism but ... well, go read @ the link for yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: 2408 The seventh commandment forbids theft, that is, usurping another's property against the reasonable will of the owner. There is no theft if consent can be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods. This is the case in obvious and urgent necessity when the only way to provide for immediate, essential needs (food, shelter, clothing . . .) is to put at one's disposal and use the property of others.191 Anyone interested on the topic ought to bone up on the rcc teaching of the UDOG. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm It's not a clean neat 1:1 fit on socialism but ... well, go read @ the link for yourself. If you see socialism in that, do you see communism in Acts 2:45? If not, what in particular bothers you in the link you posted? |
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Posted: 6/6/2020 8:37:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/15/2020 1:39:23 PM EDT
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The Catholic Church typically isn't fond of either socialism or capitalism.
They favor Distributism. |
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Posted: 6/15/2020 1:47:11 PM EDT
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Yes they can be Socialist.
""Pope Francis"" |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 2:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liberation Theology. Starting in the mid 60's many of the hierarchy, clergy, and almost all nuns slowly morphed from trying to convert and save souls through hard truth to making everything "fair". This fairness also includes the Freemasonic platform that all religions are equal in God's eyes including the pagan earth worshipers. Then we wonder why so many Catholics leave the Church to shop around for the religion that most tickles their ears or even drop religion all together. We're all going to heaven anyhow so why does it matter, right? So sad. It's like its a club and people just choose which one they like the message of the best. Read the Bible people, geez... |
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Posted: 6/17/2020 2:42:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone interested on the topic ought to bone up on the rcc teaching of the UDOG. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm It's not a clean neat 1:1 fit on socialism but ... well, go read @ the link for yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: 2408 The seventh commandment forbids theft, that is, usurping another's property against the reasonable will of the owner. There is no theft if consent can be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods. This is the case in obvious and urgent necessity when the only way to provide for immediate, essential needs (food, shelter, clothing . . .) is to put at one's disposal and use the property of others.191 Anyone interested on the topic ought to bone up on the rcc teaching of the UDOG. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a7.htm It's not a clean neat 1:1 fit on socialism but ... well, go read @ the link for yourself. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 6:58:07 PM EDT
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First, there is no such thing as socialism. It is a term made up to confuse people. There is just communism and "capitalism". Societies practice one degree of it or another on a sliding scale.
Real Catholic theology practices charity. Something entirely different. Charity does not mean giving things away. It means providing forgiveness, compassion, and mercy to the extent that will benefit a person's relationship with Jesus Christ. Sometimes charity means giving aide and sometimes it means allowing someone to suffer so they repent. |
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Posted: 6/19/2020 8:43:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2020 8:37:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, there is no such thing as socialism. It is a term made up to confuse people. There is just communism and "capitalism". Societies practice one degree of it or another on a sliding scale. Real Catholic theology practices charity. Something entirely different. Charity does not mean giving things away. It means providing forgiveness, compassion, and mercy to the extent that will benefit a person's relationship with Jesus Christ. Sometimes charity means giving aide and sometimes it means allowing someone to suffer so they repent. Excellent response. The state has replaced charity. Now they get handouts by picking the neighbors pocket (through an agency which depends on more of the same to justify their job) without any of that pesky advice on how to improve their lot in life so it doesn't become lifelong or generational. (talking about those who got that way by sin and bad choices, not those who just had a run of bad luck beyond their control). |
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Posted: 6/22/2020 3:00:14 AM EDT
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The answer is no.
Catholicism forbids any allegiance to Communism, and Socialism, is a prerequisite for Communism. In other words, the Church sees Socialism as a "gateway drug" to Communism, though it is a bit ambiguous to how much state interference constitutes "true" Socialism. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 12:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Catholic Church typically isn't fond of either socialism or capitalism. They favor Distributism. This is false. In fact Capitolism is the only route that will allow for subsidiarity. It is the only one that allows for the free will to choose charity completely with having an outside force causing it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 3:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost everyone is part socialist, at least when it comes to his or her immediate family. I am not a socialist because problems arise as you scale up from nuclear family to extended family, clan, tribe, city, etc. That isn’t socialism. Socialism isn’t just an economic system. It is also an ideology of godless materialism that mandates redistribution of wealth through threat of government violence. This is incompatible with the gospel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 4:37:31 PM EDT
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Economy originated from the Greek oikonomia meaning household management. hence the relevance of the family.
All governments redistribute wealth through threat or application of violence. All of them. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 4:52:18 PM EDT
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Somebody should tell our Pope. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 4:53:59 PM EDT
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Somebody should tell our Pope. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 8:58:35 AM EDT
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The answer is No.
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, the liberation theology folks TRIED to make it so, but it not in keeping with about 100 years+ of Church teaching. |
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Posted: 7/9/2020 12:30:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:... Sometimes charity means giving aide and sometimes it means allowing someone to suffer so they repent. This is most certainly true. Well said. |
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