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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:08:38 AM EST
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Quoted: I’ve always heard US military was ready to fight 2 front wars at all times. Now that Russia is pretty much destroyed can we save on defense spending in future by preparing for just war against single foe…China? Id probably ask the navy to invest in more of these to cruise around se asian waters. Throw a rack of antiship missiles. Have the speed to converge enmasse on a hotspot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pegasus_(PHM-1) |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:10:03 AM EST
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obviously.
In other threads ukebros were preening that 6.5 or 4% of the budget is used to defeat russia. So its a good deal So we can just cut the DoD budget by ~ 80% next year . If all it takes is 6.5% we can save tons of $ |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:10:12 AM EST
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Does OP really think we could fight on 2 fronts right now?
  
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:12:41 AM EST
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You’re under the impression defense spending is as large as it is because of Russia? That’s cute.
While it provides some great capabilities, it’s often nothing more than a jobs program and a way to transfer taxpayer money to corporations. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:13:27 AM EST
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Quoted: I’ve always heard US military was ready to fight 2 front wars at all times. Now that Russia is pretty much destroyed can we save on defense spending in future by preparing for just war against single foe…China? I would question your premise. What makes you think the US could fight, and win, two simultaneous major wars? I believe that capability was lost long ago. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:15:33 AM EST
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Save money? Why? USA is where money is created, it’s endless !
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:16:29 AM EST
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Win Hold Win has been out of date as strategy since the late 1990s.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:18:22 AM EST
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Conflict with China apparently demands the most insanely expensive defense boondoggles in recorded history.
Just one piece of crap after another, many of them pumped out by the Boeing Corporation. None of them work right after decades of effort and billions upon billions of dollars. Except the P-8. That one seems to function fairly well. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:31:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Win Hold Win has been out of date as strategy since the late 1990s. We went from two major wars (Europe / Asia), to one major and one minor, to two minor wars, to one thing at a time over the course of 20 years. The main factor in the Defense budget is the cost of pretending to maintain an industrial base to facilitate the ability to rebuild in case of a major conflict and nuclear forces. The Army is 40% smaller that it was in 1991. The number of Armor units (expensive) was cut by 75%. F-35s and Aircraft Carrier Groups are expensive. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:38:14 AM EST
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I'd expect there to be another "peace dividend" after the China conflict is resolved (either via their internal collapse or confrontation) similar to when the Societ Union broke up.
Hopefully the current ramp up deters the Chinese long enough that they eat their own. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:43:41 AM EST
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China is producing massively and we aren't.
We're going to be at a severe disadvantage on that front if we don't increase our manufacturing capacity. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:56:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is producing massively and we aren't. We're going to be at a severe disadvantage on that front if we don't increase our manufacturing capacity. Well, that would require some amount of strategic planning, forward thinking and delayed gratification from our elected representatives,Ala, doing what’s best for the USA vs what’s best for other countries and politicians bank accounts. It would also require abandoning the climate change bullshit because the elites pushing it don’t want manufacturing here, because it’s dirty and messy, and the various three letter agencies and regulations make it more difficult and expensive every day to manufacture anything. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:02:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is producing massively and we aren't. We're going to be at a severe disadvantage on that front if we don't increase our manufacturing capacity. Why? We got a bunch of LCSs and the wunder 20billion dollar Zumwalt China wont know what hit em ! |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:07:41 AM EST
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We could focus in what works instead of funding every general / admirals personal wet dream that gets him a retirement gig.
How much Burkes would we have got for all that LCS and Zumwalt BS ? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:34:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that would require some amount of strategic planning, forward thinking and delayed gratification from our elected representatives,Ala, doing what’s best for the USA vs what’s best for other countries and politicians bank accounts. It would also require abandoning the climate change bullshit because the elites pushing it don’t want manufacturing here, because it’s dirty and messy, and the various three letter agencies and regulations make it more difficult and expensive every day to manufacture anything. OK, so other than that, we're good to go, right? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:37:26 AM EST
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Or we could cut welfare, double the size of our military and still have money left over
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:46:20 AM EST
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Quoted: I’ve always heard US military was ready to fight 2 front wars at all times. Now that Russia is pretty much destroyed can we save on defense spending in future by preparing for just war against single foe…China? Chinese strategy is always to divide enemy forces and then concentrate their own. It's how they have thought about war for the last 4000 years If we get into a conflict with China and it happens at a time of their choosing they will engineer a multi theater conflict. They will not want to fight us under fair conditions. You can expect that they will work with their allies to light up multiple simultaneous conflicts. North Korea, Iran, Russia and China are likely to light up all at once. We are currently spending 6.5% of our defense budget on the Ukraine war. We are learning a lot about contemporary warfare and likely need to rapidly adjust our forces to align with those lessons. The war is giving us the opportunity to reduce by one the number of enemies we have, to your point, but on the other hand has revealed that we are probably unprepared for a contemporary drone war. Good news is that there are almost certainly things we can cut in the rest of the 93.5% of defense budget not spent in Ukraine to redirect money towards drones and drone suitable air defense |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:46:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we could cut welfare, double the size of our military and still have money left over And build bag better, green energy, etc That's why we are in debt |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:56:12 AM EST
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I'm always curious how the average US citizen bases their opinions on such matters. Are we supposed to believe that mainstream media tells us the truths about what is going on? I'd wager a guess that we actually know nothing, we're only told what they want us to believe, and we all run around spouting off opinions based on misinformation/ propaganda. Waste of time and energy.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:11:24 PM EST
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The budget is only going down when everything else falls apart.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:19:59 PM EST
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No. The US economy is dependent on year over year increases on defense spending.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:22:05 PM EST
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Send all the trans to one front, gays to another.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:24:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we could cut welfare, double the size of our military and still have money left over You can't do that. Those who live on that money would burn down all the cities, then come after you. Heck, the starvation might make them so crazy that they might attack military facilities with the intention of looting military hardware and selling it for scrap. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:25:49 PM EST
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MIC has entered the chat
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:27:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we could cut welfare, double the size of our military and still have money left over Even if you cut all welfare, the USA would still run a spending deficit. Our spending is literally out of control. It's what drives most of our economic growth. The current rate environment will come home to roost in 3-5 years as debt payments turn into a death spiral of borrowing to pay debt. I honestly have no idea how it's going to work out. 
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:27:37 PM EST
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Defense is a pretty small expense for the US, if you include defense adjacent spending from the IC and DoE it's about the size of agriculture and mining combined. Maybe 5% of GDP.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:37:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm always curious how the average US citizen bases their opinions on such matters. Are we supposed to believe that mainstream media tells us the truths about what is going on? I'd wager a guess that we actually know nothing, we're only told what they want us to believe, and we all run around spouting off opinions based on misinformation/ propaganda. Waste of time and energy. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:51:08 PM EST
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Of course but it won’t happen.
It’s the government so waste fraud and abuse and fraud are a feature not a bug. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 1:03:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we could cut welfare, double the size of our military and still have money left over I like this. 
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Posted: 9/25/2023 1:04:42 PM EST
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The original idea of being able to fight 2.5 wars was based on based on the kinds of flawed assumptions that figured that the enemy would quickly be beaten in Vietnam.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 1:34:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The original idea of being able to fight 2.5 wars was based on based on the kinds of flawed assumptions that figured that the enemy would quickly be beaten in Vietnam. "I'm beginning to think Operation Enduring Occupation was a bad idea." |
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