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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:00:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: First shot may or may not have been necessary. Followup anchoring 4 shots or so were clearly excessive. Shot guy would have been disabled after the first hit. Any of us would have been charged for all shots after the first one. The first shot missed. How do you know the first shot that connected would have disabled the perp? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:14:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: StevenH]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: So, just like most states. IA case Local investigation Local DA State investigation/criminal review Federal review. This is standard stuff. CA is different because they love to coddle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By StevenH: True. But in California, by law, all police shootings of “unarmed” people are investigated by the CAL DOJ for possible charges against the officer. So he’s facing CHP IA case County DA for possible charges CAL DOJ for possible charges US DOJ for civil rights violations His life just got very complicated So, just like most states. IA case Local investigation Local DA State investigation/criminal review Federal review. This is standard stuff. CA is different because they love to coddle. Most states investigate the cops after the local DA clears them? https://oag.ca.gov/ois-incidents |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:16:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: A large portion of GD hasn't actually ever received any formal firearms instruction, and as such is unaware that the reactionary time to process that someone is no longer a threat can be an appreciable fraction of a second or more...while the average split time between shots when mag dumping at a spitting-distance lethal threat is considerably less. Yeah, the decision to stop shooting takes as long to process as the decision to start. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:18:36 PM EST
[#4]
Good Shoot.
Anytime a homeless squatter is sent home to the promised land, it is a "Good Shoot". I hope the CHP gives that guy a promotion. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:31:53 PM EST
[#5]
Some people just want to die.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:38:24 PM EST
[#6]
Good shoot.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 5:37:41 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CherokeeGunslinger: A criminal doesn't have to be armed to justify deadly force. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 5:43:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricky_45: Dude would have killed the cop if he had the chance. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 5:44:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: Jodan1776]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fttam: The first shot missed. How do you know the first shot that connected would have disabled the perp? I personally don't have a problem with a cop shooting a dirtbag who is fighting with him. Key to my post is that I was not saying good shoot or bad shoot, only the fact that, if it was not a cop who fired all the additional shots after the first connecting shot, we'd sure as hell be charged. Guy in VT several years ago got convicted of murder for firing a second shot with a 30-06 rifle into a Masshole who attacked him with an axe over a drug deal. Shooter was not initially charged, then Masshole family with some money/pull forced a trial. I was surprised and disappointed when shooter got convicted for it. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 6:37:20 AM EST
[#10]
Well. He won't do that again.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:15:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fttam: The first shot missed. How do you know the first shot that connected would have disabled the perp? I believe the first shot hit. The first discharge was accidental, due to the struggle and subsequent clumsy draw. Not the officer’s fault. I believe he fired 4 shots at the perp, not 5. Play stupid games…. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:27:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Most states investigate the cops after the local DA clears them? https://oag.ca.gov/ois-incidents Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By StevenH: True. But in California, by law, all police shootings of “unarmed” people are investigated by the CAL DOJ for possible charges against the officer. So he’s facing CHP IA case County DA for possible charges CAL DOJ for possible charges US DOJ for civil rights violations His life just got very complicated So, just like most states. IA case Local investigation Local DA State investigation/criminal review Federal review. This is standard stuff. CA is different because they love to coddle. Most states investigate the cops after the local DA clears them? https://oag.ca.gov/ois-incidents Which leads to “smile and wave” policing. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:46:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: GREENMACHINE1]
[#13]
Good shoot. Active fight for the officers taser. First round went wide, officer corrected and finished the fight. Like anyone here would have done if they were being attacked. You don’t stop until it they are down simple.
And anchor shots are slow methodical shots after the action is over not as part of the “oh shit it’s on” initial stream of rounds |
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 9:48:17 AM EST
[#14]
I'm sure nothing of value was lost.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:01:49 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: I'm sure nothing of value was lost. Caltrans is going to have to repair the chipped concrete in the road. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 4:54:10 PM EST
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KTLA is reporting the man had a taser and attempted to use it on the officer. Good shoot. Since it happened in the Watts area, all the city officials are worried and calling for calm.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 5:26:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: pr24guy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: First shot may or may not have been necessary. Followup anchoring 4 shots or so were clearly excessive. Shot guy would have been disabled after the first hit. Any of us would have been charged for all shots after the first one. Really? I knew a guy named Alf Diamond that was shot 11 times by an AK47 in Vietnam. He was alive and kicking in 1984, when I met him. The news reported that the guy had a taser. I'm guessing it was the officer's. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 5:47:04 PM EST
[#18]
 Investigation underway after CHP shooting |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 6:45:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: BigSky171]
[#19]
Good shoot. Bring a taser into a gunfight FAFO.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 6:52:44 PM EST
[#20]
The guy was homeless? Good shoot.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 6:54:43 PM EST
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Posted: 11/21/2023 6:56:03 PM EST
[#22]
0 fucks on that one.
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:17:56 PM EST
[#23]
Sounds like the guy had taken the cop's taser and used it on him. Good way to get your gun taken and killed.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:22:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lil_Sig: Regardless of situation. He will be a hero on ARF Maybe, maybe not. I'm guessing those who look at this and think, "would I have been charged for shooting that guy in that exact situation" won't think so |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:24:06 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Antero: KTLA is reporting the man had a taser and attempted to use it on the officer. Good shoot. Since it happened in the Watts area, all the city officials are worried and calling for calm. I have no doubt the media will downplay that part and will keep posting the video of the officer shooting the guy, without telling the whole story. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:32:10 PM EST
[#26]
Fuck peace! Burn that bitch down!!
Tasers up, don't shoot! |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:35:16 PM EST
[#27]
Looked justified.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:47:17 PM EST
[#28]
Surprise surprise
Aspiring actor, 33, shot dead by California highway patrol officer during brawl on 105 Freeway - as it's revealed he was homeless after mental health breakdown  The family of an aspiring actor shot and killed by California highway patrol are demanding answers after video showed the 33-year-old being shot on three times while lying on the ground. Jesse Dominguez died on Sunday after police were called to reports of a man wandering erratically along 105 Freeway in the Los Angeles district of Watts. Dominguez was staying at a shelter near the road. Video of the incident shows Dominguez tussling with the highway patrol officer on the ground. Dominguez carried a Taser for his own safety inside the homeless shelter, his family told The Los Angeles Times. The two men wrestle on the ground, and the officer then draws his gun and shoots Dominguez dead.  Dominguez's family said his killing was unjustified, describing it as pure 'police brutality'. 'I've pretty much 'backed the blue' in a lot of circumstances,' said Akasha Dominguez, his stepmother. 'There have been issues where police used excessive force. But I've never been on the other end. 'Now I have a completely different stance. This is absolutely police brutality.' She said she found it obvious that her stepson was mentally ill, or suffering some sort of breakdown. 'I don't know why the officer thought to engage,' she said. 'If someone is walking on the freeway, something is not right. They're either in mental health crisis or something else is happening. 'He was not trying to hurt anybody. Why did he have to use that type of force? After [the officer] had already discharged his firearm once, why did he stand up and then do it again and again and again?' His sister, Michele Dominguez, agreed that the response was excessive. 'I don't know when using deadly force became the first thing cops do in this situation,' she said. Continued |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:51:22 PM EST
[#29]
I’m good with shooting till slide lock
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:51:45 PM EST
[#30]
Looks like a FAFO situation.
Without seeing more to the situation... I'll tentatively say "reasonable shoot." But just barely. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:55:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: TarawaS2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Surprise surprise Aspiring actor, 33, shot dead by California highway patrol officer during brawl on 105 Freeway - as it's revealed he was homeless after mental health breakdown https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/22/00/78089055-12777569-image-a-12_1700612507899.jpg The family of an aspiring actor shot and killed by California highway patrol are demanding answers after video showed the 33-year-old being shot on three times while lying on the ground. Jesse Dominguez died on Sunday after police were called to reports of a man wandering erratically along 105 Freeway in the Los Angeles district of Watts. Dominguez was staying at a shelter near the road. Video of the incident shows Dominguez tussling with the highway patrol officer on the ground. Dominguez carried a Taser for his own safety inside the homeless shelter, his family told The Los Angeles Times. The two men wrestle on the ground, and the officer then draws his gun and shoots Dominguez dead. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/22/00/78023505-12777569-The_officer_is_seen_shooting_the_pedestrian_at_least_three_times-a-14_1700613078212.jpg Dominguez's family said his killing was unjustified, describing it as pure 'police brutality'. 'I've pretty much 'backed the blue' in a lot of circumstances,' said Akasha Dominguez, his stepmother. 'There have been issues where police used excessive force. But I've never been on the other end. 'Now I have a completely different stance. This is absolutely police brutality.' She said she found it obvious that her stepson was mentally ill, or suffering some sort of breakdown. 'I don't know why the officer thought to engage,' she said. 'If someone is walking on the freeway, something is not right. They're either in mental health crisis or something else is happening. 'He was not trying to hurt anybody. Why did he have to use that type of force? After [the officer] had already discharged his firearm once, why did he stand up and then do it again and again and again?' His sister, Michele Dominguez, agreed that the response was excessive. 'I don't know when using deadly force became the first thing cops do in this situation,' she said. Continued "Aspiring actor" is a new one. No riots tho. Booooooo ETA: 'He was not trying to hurt anybody. " While also actively fighting a cop and trying to tase him. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:55:40 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: I'm sure nothing of value was lost. Looks like he shot his sunglasses 2 times on the road |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:56:03 PM EST
[#33]
I don’t care. Nice work CHiP.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:57:32 PM EST
[#34]
I hate the whole ‘was that last shot reasonable? thing..
If the first shot was reasonable, they all are. If the perp deserves to die, they still deserve it after 3 shots or 12. Whatever. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 7:58:36 PM EST
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:10:10 PM EST
[#36]
Good riddance.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:21:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: TheWhiteHorse]
[#37]
Is aspiring actor the equivalent of aspiring rapper when you’re “white”?
The only role that guy would ever get is an aspiring vampire. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:21:40 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Antero: KTLA is reporting the man had a taser and attempted to use it on the officer. Good shoot. Since it happened in the Watts area, all the city officials are worried and calling for calm. If so. Mighty fine work |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:25:52 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Antero: KTLA is reporting the man had a taser and attempted to use it on the officer. Good shoot. Since it happened in the Watts area, all the city officials are worried and calling for calm. Wrong demographic. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:32:46 PM EST
[#40]
And they say CHP stands for can't handle patrol.
Good shoot and f that family for allowing a family member to wonder the streets of LA. Sooner or later your going to die on the streets. The bums I've observed while working downtown San Diego beat the s*** out of one another and steal each other's stuff. That family should thank that officer. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:39:22 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: First shot may or may not have been necessary. Followup anchoring 4 shots or so were clearly excessive. Shot guy would have been disabled after the first hit. Any of us would have been charged for all shots after the first one. Let me tell you how I know you are not a cop and never been in that situation without you telling me you are not a cop and never been in that situation. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 8:53:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By catrepair: And they say CHP stands for can't handle patrol. Good shoot and f that family for allowing a family member to wonder the streets of LA. Sooner or later your going to die on the streets. The bums I've observed while working downtown San Diego beat the s*** out of one another and steal each other's stuff. That family should thank that officer. Clearly you've never had a family member with mental or drug addiction issues. A person's rights to freedom basically prevent parents or siblings from saving family members dealing with mental illness. You can't commit them, force them to seek help, etc., etc. No argument that families and friends need to engage on mental illness, but engagement alone won't work if the \person doesn't want help. Mental illness is a huge problem in this country. Shooting these victims in the street isn't the answer, any more than stronger gun laws are. That said, every officer deserves to go home and they certainly aren't response for mental illness reform. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:33:40 PM EST
[#43]
It’s so incredibly easy to not die by gunfire in the middle of the road.
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:44:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slappomatt: Cop had a 320 and it went off on its own in the holster, which scared the cop causing him to mag dump into the perp. I count 4-5 shots on body. plus the ND They carry M&P40 1.0 pistols. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:38:22 PM EST
[#45]
Is the above black-and-white photo the white equivalent of an 8th grade photo of a perpetrator?
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:56:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC6337: They carry M&P40 1.0 pistols. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC6337: Originally Posted By slappomatt: Cop had a 320 and it went off on its own in the holster, which scared the cop causing him to mag dump into the perp. I count 4-5 shots on body. plus the ND They carry M&P40 1.0 pistols. CHP still carries Gen 1 M&P?! |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2023 12:02:03 AM EST
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I'm the first guy to call out LEO on bullshit actions.
I also understand mistakes can and will happen. I'm 100% OK with the actions of the officer. |
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Posted: 11/22/2023 12:22:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: CHP still carries Gen 1 M&P?! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By USMC6337: Originally Posted By slappomatt: Cop had a 320 and it went off on its own in the holster, which scared the cop causing him to mag dump into the perp. I count 4-5 shots on body. plus the ND They carry M&P40 1.0 pistols. CHP still carries Gen 1 M&P?! Yep, and it clearly still performed as it needed to. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/22/2023 1:13:45 AM EST
[#49]
Cops seem to constantly doing shifty and awful things lately.
This is not one of those times, psycho homeless doing head impacts and grabbing the officers taser with no one else around, he could have dropped his cruiser on him for all I care. Dude should get a medal. Mag dump away. |
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Posted: 11/22/2023 1:19:11 AM EST
[#50]
Typically I would say good shoot. Any fight with an armed individual is a potentially life threatening fight.
That being said, how would CA LE treat an armed citizen in the exact same situation? So fuck him. Let him go from cop to convict. |
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