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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:04:44 PM EST
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Did the first shot miss? Was the last shot objectively reasonable? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:06:50 PM EST
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Looks like he might have been going for the taser on the officer's left side
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:10:49 PM EST
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Dude would have killed the cop if he had the chance.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:12:58 PM EST
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NV, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:13:15 PM EST
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Was the suspect armed/ did the officer reasonably believe the suspect was armed? If so, good shoot.
If the officer just blasted the guy for resisting while the officer held the top then it is murder but I just don't think that is what happened. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:16:15 PM EST
[#5]
Heard it was a homeless dude walking on the freeway or something.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:32:36 PM EST
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Ah, good old California law enforcement doing more to end mental illness suffering than their liberal benefactors. Probably a Louisiana-born transient with a bunch of issues
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:34:39 PM EST
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That final shot...looked sketchy as hell, but maybe the dude had a gun.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:37:52 PM EST
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Looks like the cop took a pretty good punch or knee to the head. Probably rattled his cage a bit. Not sure how long they were going at it but the guy looks feisty and not close to submitting. I agree, given the opportunity the suspect would have killed the cop.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:38:18 PM EST
[#9]
Big cargo net then call a tow truck
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:38:35 PM EST
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I really don't have sympathy for aggressive retards. If you don't want to get shot and get more charges, don't resist, or prepare for a one sided fight to the death.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:39:07 PM EST
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Regardless of situation. He will be a hero on ARF
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:40:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By StevenH: Did the first shot miss? At least one shot did. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:43:39 PM EST
[#13]
Reasonable yes…. Entertaining absolutely
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:45:43 PM EST
[#14]
Trying to gain control of the officer's taser or possibly pulled something out of the bag.
Even if he was just trying to give the cop some Girl Scout cookies that were in the bag, that's just super bad timing on the dead guy's part. Oh, well. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:46:16 PM EST
[#15]
fuck around and find out.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:48:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Ah, good old California law enforcement doing more to end mental illness suffering than their liberal benefactors. Probably a Louisiana-born transient with a bunch of issues CA doesn’t have their own native transients with issues? I don’t think we supply them all. 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:04:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: m200maker]
[#17]
Well things are actually safer now.
 Looks a little sketchy. Cops probably gunna be in trouble. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:10:07 PM EST
[#18]
First shot may or may not have been necessary. Followup anchoring 4 shots or so were clearly excessive. Shot guy would have been disabled after the first hit. Any of us would have been charged for all shots after the first one.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:18:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: VidaEterna]
[#19]
Now count how long he went from a ground fight to realizing this was for keeps; from pushing off to last shot. 2 to 3 seconds, maybe. Not long. Kid is in good shape it appears. Other officers, in lesser shape, would have had a much bigger problem on their hands. Good shoot.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:31:12 PM EST
[#20]
Yes and ......yes.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:33:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricky_45: Dude would have killed the cop if he had the chance. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:38:29 PM EST
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Did this one occur in LA County? George Gascon hates cops and loves to charge them
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:42:53 PM EST
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I watched it several times. Looks to me like the first shot hit asphalt but the rapid follow ups did the job.
I don't know the back story or anything else but if you go hands on with a cop on the ground like that don't be surprised if you end up shot. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:45:05 PM EST
[#24]
What is the object that bounces away during the shots?
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Posted: 11/20/2023 7:48:52 PM EST
[#25]
No judgement here, just the observation that apparently, from many shooting videos seen, cops are trained to shoot until the threat is over. As it seems was the case here. You almost never see a cop let off just one round.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:08:07 PM EST
[#26]
Guy was trying to take something off the officer’s belt. First shot missed but the next 3 didn’t. Good shoot.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:20:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Sandbowl1980]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricky_45: Dude would have killed the cop if he had the chance. Agree good shoot.....maybe But still need to see entire video. But it can go 50/50 |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:22:15 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By para_frame: Was the suspect armed/ did the officer reasonably believe the suspect was armed? If so, good shoot. If the officer just blasted the guy for resisting while the officer held the top then it is murder but I just don't think that is what happened. A suspect doesn't have to be armed for it to be a good shoot. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:23:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By StevenH: Was the last shot objectively reasonable? I don't think the last shot mattered, the perp was dead from the previous ones. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:29:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kc-coyote: A suspect doesn't have to be armed for it to be a good shoot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kc-coyote: Originally Posted By para_frame: Was the suspect armed/ did the officer reasonably believe the suspect was armed? If so, good shoot. If the officer just blasted the guy for resisting while the officer held the top then it is murder but I just don't think that is what happened. A suspect doesn't have to be armed for it to be a good shoot. True. But in California, by law, all police shootings of “unarmed” people are investigated by the CAL DOJ for possible charges against the officer. So he’s facing CHP IA case County DA for possible charges CAL DOJ for possible charges US DOJ for civil rights violations His life just got very complicated |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:35:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: True. But in California, by law, all police shootings of “unarmed” people are investigated by the CAL DOJ for possible charges against the officer. So he’s facing CHP IA case County DA for possible charges CAL DOJ for possible charges US DOJ for civil rights violations His life just got very complicated Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By kc-coyote: Originally Posted By para_frame: Was the suspect armed/ did the officer reasonably believe the suspect was armed? If so, good shoot. If the officer just blasted the guy for resisting while the officer held the top then it is murder but I just don't think that is what happened. A suspect doesn't have to be armed for it to be a good shoot. True. But in California, by law, all police shootings of “unarmed” people are investigated by the CAL DOJ for possible charges against the officer. So he’s facing CHP IA case County DA for possible charges CAL DOJ for possible charges US DOJ for civil rights violations His life just got very complicated Agree with you 100% from that standpoint. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:43:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: I really don't have sympathy for aggressive retards. If you don't want to get shot and get more charges, don't resist, or prepare for a one sided fight to the death. Are you talking about the cops or the citizens? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:46:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lil_Sig: Regardless of situation. He will be a hero on ARF I am not sure about this one. GD usually doesn't like the homeless, but they hate the police even more. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:47:58 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: True. But in California, by law, all police shootings of “unarmed” people are investigated by the CAL DOJ for possible charges against the officer. So he’s facing CHP IA case County DA for possible charges CAL DOJ for possible charges US DOJ for civil rights violations His life just got very complicated So, just like most states. IA case Local investigation Local DA State investigation/criminal review Federal review. This is standard stuff. CA is different because they love to coddle. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:49:00 PM EST
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Watching in slow motion it looks like he may have gotten the tazer of the officers belt in the struggle. Right as he pulls his pistol and start shooting the suspect has what appears to be a tazer shaped object in his left hand that he brings up and points.
Just based on what I can see in the video good shoot IMO. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:50:17 PM EST
[#36]
FAFO
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:50:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: I am not sure about this one. GD usually doesn't like the homeless, but they hate the police even more. Add in commiefornia for the trifecta. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:51:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: First shot may or may not have been necessary. Followup anchoring 4 shots or so were clearly excessive. Shot guy would have been disabled after the first hit. Any of us would have been charged for all shots after the first one. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:52:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Heard it was a homeless dude walking on the freeway or something. He's not homeless anymore. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:53:56 PM EST
[#40]
Don’t fight people with guns, hell don’t fight people or cops in general.
Good shoot |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:54:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: I really don't have sympathy for aggressive retards. If you don't want to get shot and get more charges, don't resist, or prepare for a one sided fight to the death. 100% agree. Barely functional retards at best. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:57:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Need4Guns: I watched it several times. Looks to me like the first shot hit asphalt but the rapid follow ups did the job. I don't know the back story or anything else but if you go hands on with a cop on the ground like that don't be surprised if you end up shot. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:58:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Did this one occur in LA County? George Gascon hates cops and loves to charge them Yes. Just outside Watts. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:23:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: uxo2]
[#44]
Good shoot.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:28:24 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HangfiresGhost: He's not homeless anymore. Indeed. His troubles are over. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:29:24 PM EST
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A large portion of GD hasn't actually ever received any formal firearms instruction, and as such is unaware that the reactionary time to process that someone is no longer a threat can be an appreciable fraction of a second or more...while the average split time between shots when mag dumping at a spitting-distance lethal threat is considerably less.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:33:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxo2: Good shoot.
Shot into the concrete at 43 seconds. Guessing stress over a warning shot. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:45:16 PM EST
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There are only 4 shots. The initial round fired was not a shot, rather it appears to be an AD, as the officer was drawing his gun, possibly due to fighting for it and drawing at the same time. I do not consider that first fired round to be a shot.
So it's 1 shot, with 3 follow ups. Perhaps 1 too many? IDK. It depends on the level of "energy" this guy was fighting with and it looked fairly stout. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:52:28 PM EST
[#49]
Believe it or not, trying to disarm is cop can lead to getting shot.
And entitled shitbags like to tell you they can do what they wanna do without repercussions. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:59:55 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By para_frame: Was the suspect armed/ did the officer reasonably believe the suspect was armed? If so, good shoot. If the officer just blasted the guy for resisting while the officer held the top then it is murder but I just don't think that is what happened. A criminal doesn't have to be armed to justify deadly force. |
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