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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:26:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:26:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:27:27 PM EDT
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First of all, what the feds don't know won't hurt them as long as you aren't flaunting it.
Nobody has ever been charged with "constructive possession" alone. It's an upper. Just buy it and put it with your stuff, finish your pistol lower whenever. I swear some of you guys think the ATF has cameras and microphones in your house. If you want to be extra safe, store the short upper in a separate container or closet. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:28:36 PM EDT
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You need to read up some more on it. And nothing specific to Texas restricts that.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:29:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all, what the feds don't know won't hurt them as long as you aren't flaunting it. Nobody has ever been charged with "constructive possession" alone. It's an upper. Just buy it and put it with your stuff, finish your pistol lower whenever. I swear some of you guys think the ATF has cameras and microphones in your house. I don’t think they have cameras in my house. I know they can access my internet purchases and credit card statements. Paranoia is not a factor. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:29:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:30:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:30:47 PM EDT
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If you bought the upper for cash at the gun show, who would know?
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think they have cameras in my house. I know they can access my internet purchases and credit card statements. Paranoia is not a factor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First of all, what the feds don't know won't hurt them as long as you aren't flaunting it. Nobody has ever been charged with "constructive possession" alone. It's an upper. Just buy it and put it with your stuff, finish your pistol lower whenever. I swear some of you guys think the ATF has cameras and microphones in your house. I don’t think they have cameras in my house. I know they can access my internet purchases and credit card statements. Paranoia is not a factor. Lmao if I thought the ATF was combing through everyone's internet purchases and credit card statements looking for NFA violations and then prosecuting them, I'd be even less inclined to comply and that's all I'm going to say. You aren't committing a felony until you've actually manufactured / assembled an SBR without paying taxes. It's that simple. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:31:33 PM EDT
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Would you like to buy some tickets to the gun show?
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:33:21 PM EDT
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Not today Mr. ATF man.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:33:24 PM EDT
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You should write a letter to the atf for clarification
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:34:03 PM EDT
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Everybody needs at least one SBR or one pistol lower.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:34:20 PM EDT
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To be safe, I had a pistol lower before buying a short upper. Actually, I had a complete AR pistol first, and then I didn't worry how many extra short AR uppers I had. YMMV
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:36:59 PM EDT
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Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:37:49 PM EDT
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Just buy a pistol lower as stripped lowers are cheap and everyone should have a pistol lower.
And quit being paranoid |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmao if I thought the ATF was combing through everyone's internet purchases and credit card statements looking for NFA violations and then prosecuting them, I'd be even less inclined to comply and that's all I'm going to say. You aren't committing a felony until you've actually manufactured / assembled an SBR without paying taxes. It's that simple. I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:38:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just buy a pistol lower as stripped lowers are cheap and everyone should have a pistol lower. And quit being paranoid What’s the conviction rate with federal charges? I’m sure you know. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:39:11 PM EDT
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Not today Mr ATFman
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. That’s kind of different. They get erections over that sort of thing much more easily. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:40:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: How does this work? I've read that possession of an upper with a short barrel and a lower that is non sbr non pistol is a felony. Links or advice would be appreciated. Thats why IIRC it's listed as other on the 4473. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lmao if I thought the ATF was combing through everyone's internet purchases and credit card statements looking for NFA violations and then prosecuting them, I'd be even less inclined to comply and that's all I'm going to say. You aren't committing a felony until you've actually manufactured / assembled an SBR without paying taxes. It's that simple. I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. I have personally purchased over a dozen short uppers, with almost all of them being before I did my first SBR. Nobody is ever going to show up and ask you questions about that dude. If you're this fearful of the ATF I'd suggest you stay away from anything NFA or NFA approximate. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:42:06 PM EDT
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Rode the account for an entire year. Your patience might get you a promotion.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:42:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the conviction rate with federal charges? I'm sure you know. If you have a pistol lower a short barrel upper would be legal to own. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:45:28 PM EDT
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You can buy whatever you want. But yeah putting a shorty upper along with a rifle lower might be playing with fire. Attach them and you got an illegal unregistered SBR. Leave them separate and you're probably ok, but some may argue constructive intent. But who's going to know anyways unless you bring it out to show off or shoot or something. Or you know don't break more laws that get a search warrant and then they find a lower with a shorty upper and put them together and add another charge. Or you could just build a pistol AR and be legal. Or Form 1 your rifle lower to be a SBR to be legal.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:47:31 PM EDT
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Do whatever the fuck you want. Glad I could help.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:48:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: How does this work? I've read that possession of an upper with a short barrel and a lower that is non sbr non pistol is a felony. Links or advice would be appreciated. If not the whole AR pistol might be a problem for you. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do whatever the fuck you want. Glad I could help. Damn good post. I should’ve said this |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:53:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lmao if I thought the ATF was combing through everyone's internet purchases and credit card statements looking for NFA violations and then prosecuting them, I'd be even less inclined to comply and that's all I'm going to say. You aren't committing a felony until you've actually manufactured / assembled an SBR without paying taxes. It's that simple. I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. ATF had not shown up at my house, I buy 4 cases of oil filters at a time. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not today Mr. ATF man. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. Calling the ATF hotline as I type this to tell them about my Autozone down the street! |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 10:57:54 PM EDT
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Fuck off MSNBC
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Calling the ATF hotline as I type this to tell them about my Autozone down the street! |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lmao if I thought the ATF was combing through everyone's internet purchases and credit card statements looking for NFA violations and then prosecuting them, I'd be even less inclined to comply and that's all I'm going to say. You aren't committing a felony until you've actually manufactured / assembled an SBR without paying taxes. It's that simple. I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. Did those filters happen to look anything like this? I'm going to bet on it. 
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:02:38 PM EDT
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The constructive intent argument is nonsense for SBRs where you can legally possess them. It's one thing to say you have constructive intent if you have a shorty upper and no pistol lower and it's illegal to possess SBRs in your area. But even then, you could say you intended on buying a pistol lower. How are they going to prove constructive intent if you simply say you intended to eventually file a form 1 and because you haven't done that yet, you are keeping it separate? I buy stuff all the time that I don't intend to use, sometimes for years. I had a pistol lower for several years before I bought an upper for it. As long as you have a legal pathway forward, I don't see how you can possibly be charged with a crime in non-clown world. In clown world, anything goes, so you better not even buy a 16" upper because guns are icky and constructively possessing them automatically makes you a domestic terrorist or something.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:03:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: How does this work? I’ve read that possession of an upper with a short barrel and a lower that is non sbr non pistol is a felony. Links or advice would be appreciated. If you want a solid answer talk to a lawyer, but definitely don't store it together. "Constructive possession" as a charge seems to be an add on when Feds are charging someone with serious stuff already. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:03:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did those filters happen to look anything like this? I'm going to bet on it. https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H2a5d27c16db946edbf9e2cd8adf84b079/R-EP-Aluminum-Solvent-Trap-1-2-28-5-8-24-Fuel-Filter-for-NAPA-4003.jpg |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:04:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:08:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: How does this work? I’ve read that possession of an upper with a short barrel and a lower that is non sbr non pistol is a felony. Links or advice would be appreciated. The rules are online at the ATF website. If you can't understand them, I blame your educators. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:08:40 PM EDT
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PISTOL THREAD!
 
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:10:13 PM EDT
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What do you mean "how does it work?"
From a federal statute standpoint, do not assemble a rifle < 26" or with a barrel <16". That's it. From a moral standpoint, do whatever the fuck you want. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did those filters happen to look anything like this? I'm going to bet on it. https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H2a5d27c16db946edbf9e2cd8adf84b079/R-EP-Aluminum-Solvent-Trap-1-2-28-5-8-24-Fuel-Filter-for-NAPA-4003.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lmao if I thought the ATF was combing through everyone's internet purchases and credit card statements looking for NFA violations and then prosecuting them, I'd be even less inclined to comply and that's all I'm going to say. You aren't committing a felony until you've actually manufactured / assembled an SBR without paying taxes. It's that simple. I assume you have not seen the video of the atf showing up because a man ordered a large amount of filters. Did those filters happen to look anything like this? I'm going to bet on it. https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H2a5d27c16db946edbf9e2cd8adf84b079/R-EP-Aluminum-Solvent-Trap-1-2-28-5-8-24-Fuel-Filter-for-NAPA-4003.jpg 
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI dig the AK pistol 
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dig the AK pistol Quote HistoryQuoted: I dig the AK pistol Thx
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so, what do you know about braces and sbrs? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2917/TallLankey-image-20211013-001_jpg-2129124.JPG OP: SBRs are better Also OP: but guys can you tell me about a SBR upper since I don't have a SBR lower, but they are better even though I don't own one.  |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:33:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol OP: SBRs are better Also OP: but guys can you tell me about a SBR upper since I don't have a SBR lower, but they are better even though I don't own one. dirty harry "I gots ta know" gif |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you bought the upper for cash at the gun show, who would know? I like your avatar  Doubt anybody would know the connection |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:49:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think they have cameras in my house. I know they can access my internet purchases and credit card statements. Paranoia is not a factor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First of all, what the feds don't know won't hurt them as long as you aren't flaunting it. Nobody has ever been charged with "constructive possession" alone. It's an upper. Just buy it and put it with your stuff, finish your pistol lower whenever. I swear some of you guys think the ATF has cameras and microphones in your house. I don’t think they have cameras in my house. I know they can access my internet purchases and credit card statements. Paranoia is not a factor. Even if it was true that it was illegal without a SBR or pistol lower how would they know this isn't going to one ? |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:57:26 PM EDT
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