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Posted: 11/9/2019 12:23:34 PM EDT
California, the land of golden dreams, has become America’s worst housing nightmare.
Recent wildfires have only heightened the stakes for a state that can’t seem to build enough new homes. The median price for a house now tops $600,000, more than twice the national level. The state has four of the country’s five most expensive residential markets—Silicon Valley, San Francisco, Orange County and San Diego. (Los Angeles is seventh.) The poverty rate, when adjusted for the cost of living, is the worst in the nation. California accounts for 12% of the U.S. population, but a quarter of its homeless population. How did we get here? Simply put, bad government—from outdated zoning laws to a 40-year-old tax provision that benefits long-time homeowners at the expense of everyone else—has created a severe shortage of houses. While decades in the making, California’s slow-moving disaster has reached a critical point for state officials, businesses and the millions who are straining to live there. This fall, as President Donald Trump blamed Democrats for the situation on his swing through the state to raise money for his reelection, lawmakers in Sacramento passed some of the most sweeping legislation in years to address housing affordability. Google, Facebook Inc. and Apple Inc. are throwing billions of dollars at the issue. But nobody’s kidding themselves that it’s enough. “Broadly speaking, there is no solution to the California housing crisis without the construction of millions of new houses,” said David Garcia, policy director for the Terner Center for Housing Innovation at the University of California, Berkeley. McKinsey & Co. estimated in 2016 that California needed some 3.5 million more homes by the middle of next decade—a figure that Governor Gavin Newsom made a central part of his administration’s goals. A more recent analysis suggests it may take the state until 2050 to meet the target. As severe as this sounds, the rest of the country is becoming more—not less—like California. During the longest economic expansion on record, the U.S. has been building far fewer houses than it usually does, pushing prices further out of reach for a vast portion of the population that has barely seen incomes rise. “California is not alone,” said Chris Herbert, the managing director of Harvard’s Joint Center for Housing Studies. “It’s just more extreme.” View Quote Curious on what some of our CA members think of the article. |
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It incorrectly blamed low property taxes and glossed over regulations that increase prices.
Every new home is required to have solar for example. |
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Texas here.
Observation: Leftists want things to deteriorate to prove the cruel nature of capitalism, to justify more government control. In the California view generally as represented by the politicians, bureaucrats and media, there is nothing else to blame. It seems most Californians are blind to the root causes of their vulnerability and misery. |
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If there was a book and how you might destroy the worlds fifth largest economy, then dems can surely author it.
It is just not about housing. The economy Over regulated Over taxed Letting environmentalists call the shots in the name of whatever stupid animal they wish to save this week. Telling the oil & gas industry to shut down operations because they are bad. High Speed Rail Sanctuary status for illegal aliens Guns are bad Drugs are good No one goes to jail Prisons bad Inmates voting good Belief the drought is caused by global warming instead of their own failed water policies. Failed electrical grid policies starting with Gray Davis (remember Gray outs?) and ending with todays “Public Safety Power Shut off’s” Plastic straws in paper wrap are bad, but giving out massive quantities of syringes to druggies who throw them down wherever is good. And this is just the tip of their complete and utter disregard for understanding the theory of unintended consequences. |
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I was listening to NPR yesterday & they had a segment on a town that was almost wiped out by the fire. They were speaking of rebuilding homes & such. One woman spoke of ONE home needing something close to TWO DOZEN permits just to be built. WTF??????
Fuck CA & their politics with rusty rebar. Let them wallow in the fifth they've voted for, IMO. |
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In checking Arizona financials on property tax, personal taxes for retirees, costs of living, gasoline, health care, DMV, All of it, we figured out that just moving 250 miles east into Arizona from Californiastan, we save about (take home) about $16K a year on my $100K yearly retirement.
Yes, we are looking. |
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Born and raised there.
There's a housing crisis... for middle class families who want to live within their means. The whole state is literally destroying any piece of flat land left, and building 2-story house after house. I'm talking about those cookie cutter residences with tiny "backyards" that are selling like the article says for 500-600k. And most of these developers are ethnic ChiComs whom line the pockets of any available local representative. No domestic company can afford this crap with the literal dozens of building permits and inspections required. These people don't give a flying fuck about our once beautiful state and the the thriving natural beauty that once was. Coyotes, mountain lions, and black bears are being quickly eradicated not by reasonable hunting standards but by vehicle collisions because it's so fucking crowded there especially in the south. Ever been to Las Vegas? Remember those advertising vehicles with triangular displays? Those are in California but with home loan sales pitches from random companies. I would really like to see how California ranks in number and amount of home loans. I'm pretty sure it'll be sobering. Fuck that state and their imaginary housing problems. They keep saying that only to invite investors. It's a freaking racket. |
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Quoted: Yeah, I saw that about the taxes. It is like they want the amendment repealed.. as if more money will solve the problem. View Quote |
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Where are all the illegals living? View Quote One of my coworkers is separated from his wife and lives at the office. Gym membership for showers. |
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How many of the homeless have legitimate last known address from a different state?
Prop 13 property tax cap didn’t cause the lack of of new construction - unless you think .Gov should be building public housing projects. NIMBY is real Desirable parts of CA are full - geography is a bitch. |
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Article, “The problem was mostly caused by the gov’t; more gov’t is needed to fix the problem...”
The idiocy is, unfortunately, not shocking. The easy answer to more housing starts is to remove gov’t imposed impediments and regulation that push up construction costs and let free enterprise and the profit motive fix the problem. And to really lubricate the Cali economy, build the roads to support the housing starts growth, before, not after, the traffic gets even worse. |
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It incorrectly blamed low property taxes and glossed over regulations that increase prices. Every new home is required to have solar for example. View Quote |
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If there was a book and how you might destroy the worlds fifth largest economy, then dems can surely author it. It is just not about housing. The economy Over regulated Over taxed Letting environmentalists call the shots in the name of whatever stupid animal they wish to save this week. Telling the oil & gas industry to shut down operations because they are bad. High Speed Rail Sanctuary status for illegal aliens Guns are bad Drugs are good No one goes to jail Prisons bad Inmates voting good Belief the drought is caused by global warming instead of their own failed water policies. Failed electrical grid policies starting with Gray Davis (remember Gray outs?) and ending with todays “Public Safety Power Shut off’s” Plastic straws in paper wrap are bad, but giving out massive quantities of syringes to druggies who throw them down wherever is good. And this is just the tip of their complete and utter disregard for understanding the theory of unintended consequences. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
If there was a book and how you might destroy the worlds fifth largest economy, then dems can surely author it. It is just not about housing. The economy Over regulated Over taxed Letting environmentalists call the shots in the name of whatever stupid animal they wish to save this week. Telling the oil & gas industry to shut down operations because they are bad. High Speed Rail Sanctuary status for illegal aliens Guns are bad Drugs are good No one goes to jail Prisons bad Inmates voting good Belief the drought is caused by global warming instead of their own failed water policies. Failed electrical grid policies starting with Gray Davis (remember Gray outs?) and ending with todays “Public Safety Power Shut off’s” Plastic straws in paper wrap are bad, but giving out massive quantities of syringes to druggies who throw them down wherever is good. And this is just the tip of their complete and utter disregard for understanding the theory of unintended consequences. Instead of teaching classical subjects of math, English, science, geography, history, and literature, they teach how bad America is, then fill much of the annual curriculum with sex ed, which is often taught or augmented by some of the most deviant-lifestyles you could imagine. Then there's the mandatory DMV renewal visits every 10 years...oh wait. Scratch that. It's every 5 years now. Your California drivers license expires every 5 years on your birthday. The CA Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) will mail you a renewal notice about 2 months before the expiration date. Depending on your driver's license status (valid, expired, suspended, or lost/damaged), you can renew either: Online. |
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If it wasn't for foreigners CA would have negative population growth. Most middle class families that can are leaving and unfortunately many of them don't understand why everywhere else is not like CA.
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Yeah, I saw that about the taxes. It is like they want the amendment repealed.. as if more money will solve the problem. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It incorrectly blamed low property taxes and glossed over regulations that increase prices. Every new home is required to have solar for example. It is like they want the amendment repealed.. as if more money will solve the problem. To be fair though I'd not blame housing prices for all of their homeless problem. I'd blame their year round nice weather. |
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No mention of the millions of illegals burdening resources? Typical.
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There are tent cities amongst a stretch of land 30 miles long, and 1-20 blocks deep..
It's unreal. ETA - they're all full of citizens, the illegals have roofs. |
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It's going to be "musical chairs" for the homeowners eventually as the rate of expatriation goes up. Now Kali folks can STILL sell their nightmare lifestyle/home for enough to relocate with cash leftover. That is predicated on selling your home for twice what it should sell for. Bubbles always burst. WHEN THE MARKET RUNS OUT OF BUYERS FOR OVERPRICED NIGHTMARES somebody IS GONNA WANT A CHAIR real bad.
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California also has a distinct burden: Proposition 13, a measure approved by voters in 1978 that limits property-tax increases on homes until they’re sold. That’s been a boon for Baby Boomers who’ve lived in their houses for decades and aren’t assessed at anything close to their property’s market value. But it’s especially unfair to their children, who are in effect subsidizing their parents’ generation.
Prop 13 also created a fiscal incentive for many cities to favor new commercial development over residential construction—and heap fees on developers to fund budget gaps. View Quote And they blame Boomers? Prop 13 was enacted by the WWII generation to help keep their parents in their homes. That means their parents could continue to reside in the state and play a meaningful role in their grandchildren's lives. That's what it was about. The elderly were losing their homes left and right to capricious property taxes. These people owned their homes outright and were on fixed incomes and the property taxes were so high they had to sell and move out-of-state. Also, the cities leaders want high density housing but the people do not. No one wants affordable apartments nearby because of the risk of crime. But, most of all, it's the homeowners and their NIMBY attitude. When I couple has 40%-50% of their income tied up in their home, their home becomes their primary retirement investment. Even more than their 401k in many instances. So, the last thing they want is for developers to build additional homes because the added supply may lower their property value. Overnight, they become concerned for the environment and preserving open space. There is a shit ton of land that could be used to build homes in Contra Costa and all around the Tri-Valley. But it's owned by the park system. And much of it was purchaed by the park system using bonds the voters passed to ensure that land would never be developed. The park system continues to use public bonds to expand their size and take even more land off the market. Those bonds always pass and the people can never get enough of them. Also, when a developer finally gets the okay, he's not building modest homes -- he's building $1-$2 million homes at a minimum. My BIL and his wife work in Fremont and just bought a NIB home in Stockton, because that's all they could afford. I think it was $500K or so, which is about 1/2 the price of anything close to Fremont. The commute is going to be a total bitch. |
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Had to reach back into my youtube history list for this. Great video on what's wrong with California.
(Trigger warning for Texas residents) What Happens When Democrats Run Your State? |
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A Motherfucking politician from New York talking shit about California's government. Clown World.
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The part that really sucks for me is that there are liberal californians leaving the state, and where ever they go, they turn the place into an LA suburb. If they would just stay here, I would happily leave them to their own devices.
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If there was a book and how you might destroy the worlds fifth largest economy, then dems can surely author it. It is just not about housing. The economy Over regulated Over taxed Letting environmentalists call the shots in the name of whatever stupid animal they wish to save this week. Telling the oil & gas industry to shut down operations because they are bad. High Speed Rail Sanctuary status for illegal aliens Guns are bad Drugs are good No one goes to jail Prisons bad Inmates voting good Belief the drought is caused by global warming instead of their own failed water policies. Failed electrical grid policies starting with Gray Davis (remember Gray outs?) and ending with todays “Public Safety Power Shut off’s” Plastic straws in paper wrap are bad, but giving out massive quantities of syringes to druggies who throw them down wherever is good. And this is just the tip of their complete and utter disregard for understanding the theory of unintended consequences. View Quote Is it the next economic downturn? Some government budget issue? Pension crisis? |
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It's going to be "musical chairs" for the homeowners eventually as the rate of expatriation goes up. Now Kali folks can STILL sell their nightmare lifestyle/home for enough to relocate with cash leftover. That is predicated on selling your home for twice what it should sell for. Bubbles always burst. WHEN THE MARKET RUNS OUT OF BUYERS FOR OVERPRICED NIGHTMARES somebody IS GONNA WANT A CHAIR real bad. View Quote That's one of the reasons why people put up with the bullshit here for so long. |
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Because raising property taxes will definitely help with the affordability problem. To be fair though I'd not blame housing prices for all of their homeless problem. I'd blame their year round nice weather. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It incorrectly blamed low property taxes and glossed over regulations that increase prices. Every new home is required to have solar for example. It is like they want the amendment repealed.. as if more money will solve the problem. To be fair though I'd not blame housing prices for all of their homeless problem. I'd blame their year round nice weather. |
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The part that really sucks for me is that there are liberal californians leaving the state, and where ever they go, they turn the place into an LA suburb. If they would just stay here, I would happily leave them to their own devices. View Quote |
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Because raising property taxes will definitely help with the affordability problem. To be fair though I'd not blame housing prices for all of their homeless problem. I'd blame their year round nice weather. View Quote |
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I live in the Central Valley near Fresno, at least it's not that bad here...yet.
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Quoted: Section 8 apartments. single guys live 8 or more to a one bedroom apartment. Families share houses. One family in each bedroom, a family in the garage and a family that sleeps in the living room. One of my coworkers is separated from his wife and lives at the office. Gym membership for showers. View Quote |
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I love how leftists can have total control of a state for decades and still act like THEIR POLICIES are not what is fucking shit up. Let's blame capitalism!
I used to be naive enough to root on all this insanity going on in CA, NY, NJ, MA, etc. My thought process was the faster those dumbasses implode those states, the sooner everyone wakes up to how retarded the left is. Man was I fucking stupid to believe that. The more their polices fail, the more they just triple down on retarded. And we, as a nation, are too lazy and stupid to do anything about it. |
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The propaganda to repeal prop13 should be stuck to bloomturd during his presidential run. He should be asked why he thinks its acceptable to force fixed income elderly and working families out of their homes by drastically increasing their property taxes.
Fly's meet shit! |
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I escaped with my family in 94 after the Northridge quake that we were right in the middle of, our house was pretty much gone. Wife and I have been back a few times since and its just saddening to us when we see what has happened to CA.
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I’m sure media will blame Republicans even though CA usually has a supermajority for Democrats and has been pure democrat run for a long time.
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Fuck 'em, let them leave. Most are not California natives to begin with. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The part that really sucks for me is that there are liberal californians leaving the state, and where ever they go, they turn the place into an LA suburb. If they would just stay here, I would happily leave them to their own devices. |
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It incorrectly blamed low property taxes and glossed over regulations that increase prices. Every new home is required to have solar for example. View Quote They're trying to turn all real estate into rent control (ie government control), with frozen tax rates & mandatory rent-renewals. I can't imagine it working out any better than it has in NYC at curbing cost inflation. LOL at Google, Facebook, and Apple "throwing billions" at lobbying efforts to 'fix' the issue instead of.just paying employees more. Methinks they are not actually trying to solve the issue. |
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The 4.7 million registered Republicans in CA could reshape the Electoral Map to the point in which a Democrat could never win the Presidency and Democrats could never control Congress, ever again.
We need less than 200,000 up here. 2016 GE Precinct Map. Attached File |
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If there was a book and how you might destroy the worlds fifth largest economy, then dems can surely author it. It is just not about housing. The economy Over regulated Over taxed Letting environmentalists call the shots in the name of whatever stupid animal they wish to save this week. Telling the oil & gas industry to shut down operations because they are bad. High Speed Rail Sanctuary status for illegal aliens Guns are bad Drugs are good No one goes to jail Prisons bad Inmates voting good Belief the drought is caused by global warming instead of their own failed water policies. Failed electrical grid policies starting with Gray Davis (remember Gray outs?) and ending with todays “Public Safety Power Shut off’s” Plastic straws in paper wrap are bad, but giving out massive quantities of syringes to druggies who throw them down wherever is good. And this is just the tip of their complete and utter disregard for understanding the theory of unintended consequences. View Quote |
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Can remove "Housing Market" from title and it's more fitting.
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I was listening to NPR yesterday & they had a segment on a town that was almost wiped out by the fire. They were speaking of rebuilding homes & such. One woman spoke of ONE home needing something close to TWO DOZEN permits just to be built. WTF?????? Fuck CA & their politics with rusty rebar. Let them wallow in the fifth they've voted for, IMO. View Quote |
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They want to do two things.
remove prop 13 which would double most peoples prop tax and put them on the street. Allow people to put multi family buildings anywhere in the state in single family neighborhoods. This means packing poor families into tiny appartments in rich neighborhoods. Then the rich people leave, pack more people in, then the whole state is a slum..... They dont allow housing construction in any undeveloped areas, so no new homes get built. If they do build its million dollar homes so they can make a profit after all the regulations and red tape. |
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