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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:41:49 PM EDT
[#1]
One shot from the wave motion gun and the Bismarck is dust
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:41:55 PM EDT
[#2]
The Missouri.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:43:14 PM EDT
[#3]
I'm the biggest Bismarck Fan whore. My GSD is even named Bismarck.
The Yamato would wreck the Bismarck. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:43:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Yamato and its not close
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:44:15 PM EDT
[#5]
IJN Yamato or Space Battleship Yamato?
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:44:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Missouri. Hell ya. Better FCS and such. Guns could be adjustest faster..... I bet the Iowas shit on the Yamato. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:44:55 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yamato and its not close Yup; the advantage in armor and firepower is huge. Bismarck was 42k tons, Yamato 71k. Bismarck's heaviest armor was 14 inches on the turrets. Even Yamato's belt was thicker (16 inches, with the turrets at 25". |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:45:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yamato and its not close |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:45:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:45:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One shot from the wave motion gun and the Bismarck is dust |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:46:16 PM EDT
[#11]
Yamato.
Bismarck was outclassed when it first put to sea. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yamato. Bismarck was outclassed when it first put to sea. I’m going with this. Of course my judgement is clouded by being a Kriegsmarine fan. 8654 |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:49:34 PM EDT
[#13]
Yamato would walk away with it.
Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:51:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Let's see. Bismarck was sunk in 41, Yamato was commissioned in late 1940. I'm going to go with the more modern, bigger, faster and bigger gunned ship.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell ya. Better FCS and such. Guns could be adjustest faster..... I bet the Iowas shit on the Yamato. At range or in inclement weather/night no doubt. In a very unrealistic scenario where a brain dead Iowa captain lets a Yamato close within LOS it may get interesting. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:51:59 PM EDT
[#16]
If only there was a game where you could match these legendary warships.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:52:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:53:41 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One shot from the wave motion gun and the Bismarck is dust  |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:55:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there was a game where you could match these legendary warships. Or some world. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:56:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or some world. of |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:56:46 PM EDT
[#21]
Ever since I read about the naval battles at the Philippines I wish Halsey had turned the Alabama (saw it as a kid and thought it was the coolest thing ever) around to guard the Samar strait.
I sort of think with superior US radar and ranging the Bama might have wrecked the Yamato. I don't think the Bismark would have faired nearly as well, just not in the same class. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:58:25 PM EDT
[#22]
18.1 inch guns, vs. what, 14 inch guns?
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:59:08 PM EDT
[#23]
Otto von Bismark was a politician who never served in an active war. Yamato is a province or the entire Japanese island. I'm betting in the province/country.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 2:59:19 PM EDT
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Yamato, not even close.
Oh, in a battleship duel there's always that chance for a lucky shot taking out critical equipment, but nine times out of ten the Yamato comes out on top. It has heavier armor. It has more guns It's guns are far heavier. I'm going to assume that fire control was about equal. I see no reason to think that the Germans were significantly ahead of the Japanese in this regards. Speed goes to the Bismarck, but barely. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:01:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Yamamoto was a big bitch.
American battleships were limited by width of the Panama Canal. German battleships were kept small due to treaties. Designed in the 30’s Japan said “hold me Saki” and made some thicc ships |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:01:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yamato, not even close. Oh, in a battleship duel there's always that chance for a lucky shot taking out critical equipment, but nine times out of ten the Yamato comes out on top. It has heavier armor. It has more guns It's guns are far heavier. I'm going to assume that fire control was about equal. I see no reason to think that the Germans were significantly ahead of the Japanese in this regards. Speed goes to the Bismarck, but barely. I mean the Bismarck literally blew out its own fire control on the first shot. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:04:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One shot from the wave motion gun and the Bismarck is dust This! |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:06:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew. Wrong! IJN was much better at naval warfare! Until they weren't! Imperial Japanese Navy uber alles! |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:07:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle?
Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:10:03 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yamamoto was a big bitch. American battleships were limited by width of the Panama Canal. German battleships were kept small due to treaties. Designed in the 30’s Japan said “hold me Saki” and made some thicc ships German battleships were really more limited in size by the depth of the Kiel Canal (connecting the shipyard where Bismarck & Tirpitz were constructed to the ocean). Bismarck's Citadel was very well armored (but the steering gear was not encased in all that armor  ), but Bismarck had significant issues with her Fire Control (first salvo blew out their radar!) and the gun layout with only 8 guns total.Bigger_Hammer |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:10:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Yamato by a country mile. Only thing the Bismark would have is a slight speed and mobility advantage. Bismark and Yamato didn’t have effective radar range finding or targeting capabilities like the American.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:13:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle? Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato?  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:17:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG Dat spalling. 
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle? Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG Yeah but that was very very close range. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:26:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanna see what a 16" shell would do to the Yamato? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145185/26-inch-thick-armor-from-japanese-yamato-2615824.JPG |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:26:16 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew. The Bismarck’s crew was actually not well trained due to the haste that the ship was dispatched on her first cruise. In contrast the Yamato’s crew was very well trained though this suffered as the war went on. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:32:50 PM EDT
[#38]
The Bismarck only need to stay just out of gun range until the Yamato ran out of fuel.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:38:55 PM EDT
[#39]
1. Iowa
2. South Dakota 3. Yamato 4. North Carolina 5. Bismark 6. King George V 7. Richelieu |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:43:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. Iowa 2. North Dakota 3. Yamato 4. North Carolina 5. Bismark 6. King George V 7. Richelieu As a native of North Dakota, thank you for a battleship class. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:44:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As a native of North Dakota, thank you for a battleship class. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:45:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Bismarck destroyed HMS Hood with about six 15 inch gun salvos, then scored multiple hits on the brand new HMS Prince of Wales causing her captain to retire from the battle. Pretty good for a fairly new ship. The IJN Yamato has been credited with a hit on the US escort carrier White Plains at 19.65 miles. If true, then the longest naval gunfire hit in battle ever. German 15 inch shell = 1760 lbs, Japanese 18 inch shell = 3200 lbs.
Still would be a awesome battle, but size does matter. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:46:02 PM EDT
[#43]
 Blues Brothers - Sink the Bismarck |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:48:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the armor on the Yamato brittle? Did the Bismarck have better radar/gunners? Beat to the punch. (I forgot they blew their radar) The Bismark would have the advantage of accuracy in terms of better range finding optics. Yamato would have the advantage of much more armor and larger guns 18.1-Inch. I would call it closer to even. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:48:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As a native of North Dakota, thank you for a battleship class. I agree with your first two rankings. I’ve never been able to decide on the North Carolinas. Great main armament, only protected against 14” shellfire. I’ll still rank them number three. Especially if Willis A. Lee is onboard USS Washington. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:57:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with your first two rankings. I’ve never been able to decide on the North Carolinas. Great main armament, only protected against 14” shellfire. I’ll still rank them number three. Especially if Willis A. Lee is onboard USS Washington. Depending on the year i suppose, equipped for blindfire and engaging at those ranges NCarolina will certainly be landing hits but Yamato can't hit what it cant see... So yeah post radar refit 1944 North Carolina > Yamato |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 3:59:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bismarck. The leadership was probably much better experienced due to WWI experience, and likely a better trained crew. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 4:00:40 PM EDT
[#48]
What about throwing an Iowa into the mix?
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Posted: 11/27/2022 4:04:38 PM EDT
[#49]
Yamato was approx. 72k tons swinging 18 inch rifles. Bismarck was 49.5 tons swinging 15 inch rifles. My money would be on the big girl.
 
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Posted: 11/27/2022 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One shot from the wave motion gun and the Bismarck is dust  |
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