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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:30:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: thesilvercord]
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:33:15 PM EST
Time to ramp up the Forever Wars again. I'm sure Soros and the WEF are extremely pleased.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:34:14 PM EST
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:36:29 PM EST
This is nuts. Does he WANT a full on war? Ukraine is NOT worth ending all of global civilization over, no matter how many here personally want to watch it all burn.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:36:50 PM EST
I thought drones were making tanks obsolete?
Maybe that’s why he’s trying to get rid of them. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:37:50 PM EST
In before the mushroom cloud.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:37:53 PM EST
Good! We need to destroy Russia
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:38:11 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Butternut: This is nuts. Does he WANT a full on war? Ukraine is NOT worth ending all of global civilization over, no matter how many here personally want to watch it all burn. Da, tovarisch! |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:38:33 PM EST
10% for the big guy !
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:39:39 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Caddys83: Good! We need to destroy Russia Why do "we" need to do it? |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:39:49 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Butternut: This is nuts. Does he WANT a full on war? Ukraine is NOT worth ending all of global civilization over, no matter how many here personally want to watch it all burn. Half of GD wants a full on war and they’re not even getting rich off of it. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:40:26 PM EST
Good. At least Biden and I agree on something.
My only complaint is what the fuck took so long |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:41:17 PM EST
Fuck it, send them all. Along with any and all munitions we have. We need to secure the Ukraines border now!!!
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:43:17 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Butternut: This is nuts. Does he WANT a full on war? Ukraine is NOT worth ending all of global civilization over, no matter how many here personally want to watch it all burn. Look at the bright side. Most of the major cities will be gone? 
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:43:18 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By stpeteaustin: Why do "we" need to do it? You must not have watched Rocky 4 or Red Dawn enough as a kid. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:43:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: thesilvercord]
Whichever member that said this is a plot to disarm America’s military was spot on.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:44:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: topgunpilot20]
Who's going to crew them?
Seems a little more complicated than jumping into a Hilux. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:46:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: Harry311]
Not very complicated at all actually. I was on the M1A2 and there’s a reason they call tankers DAT “dumbass tankers”. Idiots can figure them out.
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ZWE
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:46:51 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By thesilvercord: Whichever member that said this is a plot to disarm America’s military was spot on. We've made what 10,000 Abrams tanks? We'll maybe send 2 dozen if Ukraine is lucky. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:46:53 PM EST
What we NEED to do is to...
1) get our own economic house in order. This shit is not sustainable. 2) take immediate and drastic steps to up our ability to produce military hardware. According to a report I saw the other day we normally produce a bit under 100,000 155mm artillery shells every year. We can accelerate production, perhaps with risks to worker safety and perhaps with quality control issues to a bit over 200,000 shells per year... and we have already shipped 1,000,000 to Ukraine. We can't produce enough missiles. We can't, for some reason, build ships at nearly the pace the Navy is already trying to build ships. We are going to get into a real war soon and we won't have the economic strength or the production capacity to fight it. The only thing we have going for us right now is that most other countries are pretty fucked up too right now. But relying on your potential opponents being stupid is not a winning strategy. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:46:55 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By topgunpilot20: Who's going to crew them? Seems a little more complicated than jumping into a Hilux. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:47:17 PM EST
And I am sure they will be working hard to replace those tanks and munitions from America's arsenal, right???
Oh, and let's give the Russkies and Chicoms some more Intel on US weapon systems too. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:47:22 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By topgunpilot20: Who's going to crew them? Seems a little more complicated than jumping into a Hilux. they let marines operate them |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:48:19 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Obo2: they let marines operate them Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Originally Posted By topgunpilot20: Who's going to crew them? Seems a little more complicated than jumping into a Hilux. they let marines operate them Not any more |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:48:54 PM EST
The big * is missing
*with American crews |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:49:14 PM EST
 
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:49:37 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Federov: Time to ramp up the Forever Wars again. I'm sure Soros and the WEF are extremely pleased. Lame, Russia needs to lose this no matter the cost. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:50:10 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Denwad: The big * is missing *with American crews Very possible, there may or may not be some tankers already in Poland |
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:52:05 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Butternut: This is nuts. Does he WANT a full on war? Ukraine is NOT worth ending all of global civilization over, no matter how many here personally want to watch it all burn. Giving in to nuke blackmail will ensure a future of nuclear proliferation and make nuclear war more likely. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:52:29 PM EST
Gotta Field Test you upgrades and alternate constructions somehow.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:52:43 PM EST
I had a remote control abrams when I was a kid. Man I loved that thing.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:53:06 PM EST
The only thing I don't like about it is that they aren't going to be trained in how to use them properly.
A tank alone is worthless, it needs other tanks or crunchies. Russia found out the hard way. I know the Ukes are sending people to the states to train in other weapons systems, so it may not be too far fetched that they are going to send tank units as well. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:53:26 PM EST
Hungary wasn't worth war with Russia but Ukraine is?
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:53:30 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Harry311: Very possible, there may or may not be some tankers already in Poland I know the answer to that one... |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:55:30 PM EST
Will these be current tanks or stripped down Saudi-grade tanks?
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KY, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:55:44 PM EST
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised is Zalensky asked for us to give him a carrier battle group complete with jets and munitions. The sad part of that is that Biden and the WEF would most likely give it.
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ZWE
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:55:57 PM EST
I get such a kick out of arf sometimes.
If this conflict happened under president desantis and he decided to send in boots on the ground peacekeepers arf would be all rah rah fuck putin... Arf just has to be contrarian to whatever democrats like. I am philosophically anti war and even somewhat of an isolationist. As such I see the moral imperative in aiding a country in defending it's borders. I generally don't think we should send americans to do that but I actually agree with material support and military hardware is one of the few spending items I am ok with the federal government spending tax revenue on. I've said before keep all the tanks and planes and shit, keep developing the latest and greatest tech for them but bring all our boys home. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:56:56 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Mech2007: Gotta Field Test you upgrades and alternate constructions somehow. i doubt they'll be sending the upgrades to ukraine if they do they won't be fielded by ukranians. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:57:11 PM EST
Fuck it. Give them some F-35s as well. What are we going to be left with, a bunch of soldiers with stress cards?
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:57:22 PM EST
Don't we have a shitload of 105 armed m1s sitting in the desert somewhere? Those things should be perfect for that.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:57:22 PM EST
Who is going to maintain and resupply them??
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:58:44 PM EST
If I was a foreign leader and wanted to destroy America, I would install FJB as POTUS and let him "fuck things up".
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:58:45 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By topgunpilot20: Who's going to crew them? Seems a little more complicated than jumping into a Hilux. The Ukrainians that are currently finishing up training? |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 12:59:10 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Butternut: This is nuts. Does he WANT a full on war? Ukraine is NOT worth ending all of global civilization over, no matter how many here personally want to watch it all burn. Russia is desperate and may resort to nukes if they cannot win. If they invade Poland after securing Ukraine, it's WWIII. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:00:37 PM EST
He's probably saying that to convince Germany it's ok to give Poland the go ahead on the Leopards. Then see how it plays out.
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ZWE
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:01:02 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By JamiesGotAGun: The speculation is Ukraine is just the beginning. Poland is next, and that means NATO. Russia is desperate and may resort to nukes if they cannot win. If they invade Poland after securing Ukraine, it's WWIII. at the rate russia is going if they secure ukraine what is left of their military will be a burnt out husk and if they tried to invade poland anytime soon they would be annihilated. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:01:28 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Nightdriver: Who is going to maintain and resupply them?? This has been in the making, they’ve already been training and learning about them…. The announcement is just letting the public know, but the plan no doubt has been in place for awhile. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:01:43 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Db8sGr8: Will these be current tanks or stripped down Saudi-grade tanks? The Saudi tanks were not stripped down. At the end of Desert Storm my unit turned our tanks over to them. Regular old M1A1 and M1A1 Heavy tanks. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:01:46 PM EST
I’m just guessing these are the standard export model M1’s, and in that case, whatever… Our military isn’t going to use them.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:02:37 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Nightdriver: Who is going to maintain and resupply them?? "Contractors" and contracts 10% to the big guy |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:15:51 PM EST
Better to send them to Poland and backfill the Leopards they are sending to simplify logistics.
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