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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flank the formation with cavalry, kill all the archers, disrupt the supply chain, turn and attack the defending spearmen from behind. Ah yes, the legendary spearman of Maginot. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:21:08 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: close the distance and use a short sword. Gotta get inside his swing distance. And the spears win that over 90% of the time. That's why they used spears. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 6:34:30 PM EDT
[#3]
If a spear isn't a projectile weapon, then Ima go with an axe
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:43:56 PM EDT
[#4]
 Spears: Why they defeat swords, optimum characteristics & perfect length |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:52:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those pesky rules tho Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shoot him with your Glock Those pesky rules tho If you aren’t cheating, you don’t want to win. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:53:24 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Grass is to wet Greek fire / trebuchet |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:56:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood vid, thank you, I wish they would discuss the fight between the spear and sword and shield more, especially when they are close in, fencers have this problem when it come to hand to hand grappling |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:06:33 AM EDT
[#8]
Throw your pommel at him!
Seriously, in an actual melee fight, I think you're screwed. If he has a pike he can easily hit you from out of your weapon range, unless of course you also have a pike. So run, run far away! Pray if he decides to chase you, he tires out first, THEN maybe try and rush in for the kill. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:09:38 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Throw your pommel at him! Seriously, in an actual melee fight, I think you're screwed. If he has a pike he can easily hit you from out of your weapon range, unless of course you also have a pike. So run, run far away! Pray if he decides to chase you, he tires out first, THEN maybe try and rush in for the kill. I would disagree with the supposed advantage of a spearman against a sword and shield, it's not so easy hitting a sword and shield fighter with a spear as some would believe |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:18:19 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Flamethrower. Not a projectile.  You're forcefully projecting flame... 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:21:47 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryThrow your pommel at him! End him rightly! |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:29:34 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a spear isn't a projectile weapon, then Ima go with an axe https://www.barnorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/12-5.gif Until he bats it away with the spear. In most circumstances throwing or knife or a hawk is not going to hit. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:35:30 AM EDT
[#13]
Greatsword.
Its like a spear but, for men. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:38:03 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spear is a long range weapon. You have to close the distance to render the spear less capable. So you’ll need speed and agility to parry the spear and close the distance. This only works if the spear guy is too dumb to control the distance. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:38:50 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Walk away. A good spearman can shorten his grip on the spear pretty quickly. A good spearman can also back up as fast as you can advance. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:39:38 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Greatsword. Its like a spear but, for men. To slow and heavy and difficult to block thrusts quickly, but the optics are fantastic |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:42:02 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good spearman can also back up as fast as you can advance. Actually faster, but the best is to get them running around you, wait for them to tire |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually faster, but the best is to get them running around you, wait for them to tire Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A good spearman can also back up as fast as you can advance. Actually faster, but the best is to get them running around you, wait for them to tire Well, yeah... my point is that, for some reason, almost all of these conversations center on the weak assumption that one person is incapable of controlling the distance (which is key in any hand to hand fight). A one man phalanx is not very effective, but someone who is as mobile as you, but with longer reach, is a pain in the ass to fight. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:03:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To slow and heavy and difficult to block thrusts quickly, but the optics are fantastic Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Greatsword. Its like a spear but, for men. To slow and heavy and difficult to block thrusts quickly, but the optics are fantastic Ill be wearing plate harness. Im not blocking shit 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:03:41 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If any of this were accurate, we wouldn't have used spears and polearms as the majority-fielded weapon type for 5000 years straight, aside from some periods of majority archer (protected by... spears). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two best methods, 1 approach to just out of range, bait,after blocking rush in and hack the legs out from under him, then leave to laugh at him out of range. 2 chase him around until he gets winded, bait and knock point down, step on spear and walk up it and hit him a few times, this requires more stamina though If any of this were accurate, we wouldn't have used spears and polearms as the majority-fielded weapon type for 5000 years straight, aside from some periods of majority archer (protected by... spears). i suspect that OP has more experience in the topic at hand (1v1 with medieval weapons) than the rest of us do, do i'll defer to him on this one. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:04:33 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, yeah... my point is that, for some reason, almost all of these conversations center on the weak assumption that one person is incapable of controlling the distance (which is key in any hand to hand fight). A one man phalanx is not very effective, but someone who is as mobile as you, but with longer reach, is a pain in the ass to fight. Interesting scenario to discuss though, a lot of assumptions on fighting with melee weapons and armor in here |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:11:33 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 handed sword designed to close on spear/pikemen. Knock cut the shaft aside and close with one hand on the hilt and one on the ricasso. Pivot about the forward hand by swinging the rearward hand up in an arc quickly. The speed of the swing of the blade or a a stabbing attack will completely overwhelm the guy with the sharp stick. https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2013/CSK/2013_CSK_08994_0112_000(a_two-hand_sword_of_landsknecht_type_in_german_16th_century_style).jpg sometimes you guys baffle me. you understand that the maneuver you just described is one of the most basic techniques to use with a spear, right? zweihanders were intended for use in a combined-arms environment against densely-packed 18' pike formations, not individual spears. in the latter matchup, my money is on the weapon that can do the technique you described much faster and more flexibly. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:14:46 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be much more hesitant to use only a sword against a naginata and would not generally attempt it without 2-3 guys this post makes me happy. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:16:24 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: this post makes me happy. Learn to run very fast
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:23:35 AM EDT
[#25]
Demoralize him with a lecture about 3rd wave feminist authors.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:25:30 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Learn to run very fast yeah, naginata was kind of considered a 'women's weapon,' because it was so effective that it could make a woman competitive with well-trained, armored swordsmen. from one of the best koryu channels on YT:  Higo Koryu Naginata - Hirata Mayumi - 42nd All Japan Kobudo Demonstration men who specialized in naginata were deeply feared, so i don't know why it wasn't more common. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:29:14 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Demoralize him with a lecture about 3rd wave feminist authors. musashi approves. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:31:33 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah, naginata was kind of considered a 'women's weapon,' because it was so effective that it could make a woman competitive with well-trained, armored swordsmen. from one of the best koryu channels on YT:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLbsTltIi4men who specialized in naginata were deeply feared, so i don't know why it wasn't more common. It's a weapon for very physical and generally athletic people, big people like me gravitate more to the static weapons, sword and shield lends itself well to calmness and confidence walking around the field, kind of like a tank, were the spearman are like snipers, striking from afar |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:40:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Depends. Spare has great range and it’s easy to control, but has a massive blind spot up close. Keep your distance, and you can keep all but the most aggressive enemies at bay.
Pole-arm vs spear, you need to have something that allows you to control the enemy’s weapon, else you need to choke up on your weapon, parry, and close in to strike from his blind spot. Longsword or greatsword can be wielded like a spear with a short haft, parry and close the distance. Shield with an arming sword allows for much more aggressive tactics, and once you’re in a spear-wielder’s blind spot, you can gut ‘em right quickly. A bastard sword is a bit longer, little heavier, but can be wielded one-handed or with both hands, so that’d be my preference. A hand axe lets you control an enemy weapon very easily, but is more limited in how you may attack. Paired with a shield, it’s not quite as preferable as a sword, but it’s very versatile. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:43:05 AM EDT
[#30]
I would take him out for a nice seafood dinner and never call him back.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:47:05 AM EDT
[#31]
Sounds like there is a lot more to this here medieval fighting than meets the eye
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:48:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A shield and a sword. That's the quickest way to get killed. Spearman trash all other melee ranged folks. You take out a spearman with an arrow or bolt, from range. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:50:50 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would take him out for a nice seafood dinner and never call him back. Heartless bastard. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:53:55 AM EDT
[#34]
Ask him if that’s a spear in his pants and if he’s gonna use it. That or maybe ask him to dinner.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:57:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Assuming 1on1 , open field , no projectile weapons, no vehicles In this situation, you need to be the substantially better trained and more athletic of the two combatants. There's no "rock, paper, scissors" answer for this question. There are tactics and counters for long weapon vs. short weapon and vice versa. Take a fat ass, soy boy, couch potato away from his gender studies and give him the best spear ever made. Then go back in time and grab a veteran Spartan warrior who has survived multiple fights and give him a knife. Who do you think has the better odds to win? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:57:56 AM EDT
[#36]
indiana jones comes to mind
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:46:23 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In this situation, you need to be the substantially better trained and more athletic of the two combatants. There's no "rock, paper, scissors" answer for this question. There are tactics and counters for long weapon vs. short weapon and vice versa. Take a fat ass, soy boy, couch potato away from his gender studies and give him the best spear ever made. Then go back in time and grab a veteran Spartan warrior who has survived multiple fights and give him a knife. Who do you think has the better odds to win? Agree, but my scenario is assuming both are well skilled, I see a lot of swords and spears on arfcom and I'm interested if it goes beyond just ownership of them |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:49:41 AM EDT
[#38]
Slingshot
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:50:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Slingshot If not in armor this is actually a good idea but violates no projectiles
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:52:28 AM EDT
[#40]
30kW laser. Or religion.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:54:37 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 30kW laser. Or religion. Ah, but the armor can be vey shiny, and praying does not help much other than helpings ones morale |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:55:50 AM EDT
[#42]
Either a big-ass sword, an elephant, or cavalry.
It's what all the winners used against spears used besides arrows and guns. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:01:58 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In 1 on 1 combat, the value of a weapon can be vastly different than 100 on 100. this I think sword/shield with better mobility has an advantage 1 on 1. Spears/pikes are really awesome only in formation. Also 1 on 1 maximum individual skill is predominant. In mass battle minimal effective training and economics are important. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:05:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: this I think sword/shield with better mobility has an advantage 1 on 1. Spears/pikes are really awesome only in formation. Also 1 on 1 maximum individual skill is predominant. In mass battle minimal effective training and economics are important. I would argue that the spearman has the mobility advantage, sword and shield can be awkward to run with and I agree that spears are best suited to mass unit tactics as well as behind a shield wall |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:06:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Per the rules...
A Grenade, a Mine, or a Molatov |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:07:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Per the rules... A Grenade, a Mine, or a Molatov Per the rules 1 and 3 are projectiles and 2 is silly
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:11:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Per the rules 1 and 3 are projectiles and 2 is silly Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Per the rules... A Grenade, a Mine, or a Molatov Per the rules 1 and 3 are projectiles and 2 is silly Being attacked by a man with a spear while I'm barred from using projectile weapons is sillier. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:12:24 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Being attacked by a man with a spear while I'm barred from using projectile weapons is sillier. Sometimes silly arguments have there own rewards
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:13:02 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes silly arguments have there own rewards Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Being attacked by a man with a spear while I'm barred from using projectile weapons is sillier. Sometimes silly arguments have there own rewards Which is why a mine is a great option. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:16:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Demoralize him with a lecture about 3rd wave feminist authors. So he commits suicide out of sheer depression? You run the risk of sending him into a homicidal rage... |
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