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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:17:55 PM EDT
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standing by for concrete evidence
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:19:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WildBoar does bring up a valid point. When listening to the Sierra Sounds, the one bit that always stood out to me was the comment "there's one down by the rocks" or something to that effect. That always gave me the impression that Ron Morehead and his companions actually laid eyes on what made the sounds. In the latest Missing 411 movie, Morehead flat out says during his conversation with Paulides that he never actually saw what was making the sounds. Now, Scott Nelson's analysis of the recording lends credence to the theory that a large non-human primate with a vocal range outside of human capabilities made these sounds. However, Morehead himself cannot say that he visually confirmed the source. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:26:38 PM EDT
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standing by for concrete evidence 
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:27:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
standing by for concrete evidence 
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Concrete mix is way to heavy, while plaster do? http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/images/bigfoot/bigfoot_group2_labeled.jpg |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Concrete mix is way to heavy, while plaster do? http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/images/bigfoot/bigfoot_group2_labeled.jpg 
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:50:31 PM EDT
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There's an even more Mythical Creature we should worry about, The Moderate Democrat |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:52:41 PM EDT
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Never saw one in the wild. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:55:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ok, that made me
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Posted: 8/1/2019 12:59:25 PM EDT
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I’ve watched every Sasquatch, Chupacabra, UFO, Loch Ness, Mothman, etc. show on TV. I keep waiting for the ultimate proof moment. They all end the same.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:05:06 PM EDT
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I’ve watched every Sasquatch, Chupacabra, UFO, Loch Ness, Mothman, etc. show on TV. I keep waiting for the ultimate proof moment. They all end the same. It was somewhere in the US but I dont remember where. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:05:48 PM EDT
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I’ve watched every Sasquatch, Chupacabra, UFO, Loch Ness, Mothman, etc. show on TV. I keep waiting for the ultimate proof moment. They all end the same. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:06:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did watch some show on discovery or history a little bit ago and at the end one of the DNA samples they had was non human primate DNA but didnt match anything in the gene bank. It was somewhere in the US but I dont remember where. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You might want to do some more research into Todd Standing. He has been proven to hoax Bigfoot evidence in the past. It taints everything he does. The 'muppet' images that were proven to be photoshopped? Those were photoshopped by another researcher who edited out the branches to allow a full picture of the face. Not Standing. The allegations that either his wife or sister is a make up artist? That person is a cosmetician. Not a special effects artist. They put lipstick and eyeshadow on people. Not latex prosthetic effects. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 just because you saw astronaut steve austin beat his ass in the six million dollar man tv show when you were six doesn’t make him real https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2275/EBAF9F6E-E38A-4B5D-9D54-363797BACE9B_jpeg-1037179.JPG |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read his book and don’t recall him ever mentioning that. If you are intimately familiar with the terrain, you are going to know where things are happening. I personally trust his work, and his work is widely used in the field. I trust and admire his work as well, and am fully aware of his standing in the field. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:21:15 PM EDT
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Mentioning what? The down by the rocks comment or that he never actually laid eyes on the creature? I trust and admire his work as well, and am fully aware of his standing in the field. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:23:23 PM EDT
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Was that Destination Truth with Josh Gates? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I did watch some show on discovery or history a little bit ago and at the end one of the DNA samples they had was non human primate DNA but didnt match anything in the gene bank. It was somewhere in the US but I dont remember where. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The laying eyes on the creature part. Given the circumstances, terrain, and Nelson's review of the audio...there is no doubt on what they were experiencing. However, I was surprised when Morehead said that he did not have a visual. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:39:50 PM EDT
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when someone shoots one it's going to be revealed that it was a guy in a Bigfoot suit all along.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:41:25 PM EDT
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None. If they existed there would be trophies of them. Look at all the animals we've wiped out, or nearly wiped out on this continent. Does anyone think these things could hide so well that no hunter would have ever shot/killed one? No remains would have been found (they may be big, but what the hell can stand up to a big brown bear when it's hungry or pissed?) The Indians used the hides off every big, tough, mean critter in North America for blankets or clothes. Does anyone think the Indians would have been anymore afraid of hunting a bigfoot than a big grizzly or brown bear? The Eskimos in Alaska/Canada killed polar bears before they had guns? What's bigger, meaner, tougher to kill than a big bear? |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 1:48:44 PM EDT
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when someone shoots one it's going to be revealed that it was a guy in a Bigfoot suit all along. 
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:11:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. Thousands of people around the world own bigfoot costumes and risk their lives just for that. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:20:08 PM EDT
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I didn't recall seeing that in either Voices in the Wilderness or Quantum Bigfoot either, but he did say it when asked in Missing 411 : Hunters. Given the circumstances, terrain, and Nelson's review of the audio...there is no doubt on what they were experiencing. However, I was surprised when Morehead said that he did not have a visual. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:21:09 PM EDT
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Hell, every forest Indian would have had a Sasquatch scalp hanging on his lodge pole. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:34:19 PM EDT
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Hell, every forest Indian would have had a Sasquatch scalp hanging on his lodge pole. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:36:00 PM EDT
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Indians called them Stone Giants (GENOSKWA)and said that their weapons were ineffective against them. One theory says that Sasquatch went from being the cannibal giants of Indian lore to the reclusive creatures of today when the white man introduced firearms to the area. Once they knew that they could be taken they became less belligerent. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:36:20 PM EDT
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It was the other way around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hell, every forest Indian would have had a Sasquatch scalp hanging on his lodge pole. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:37:33 PM EDT
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Indians called them Stone Giants and said that their weapons were ineffective against them. One theory says that Sasquatch went from being the cannibal giants of Indian lore to the reclusive creatures of today when the white man introduced firearms to the area. Once they knew that they could be taken they became less belligerent. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Get both. 
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:40:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Quantum Bigfoot worth reading? Howeverr, I think that it was important to read it as it gives a possible scientific explanation for the less scientific aspects of the phenomenon. It basically gives pretty good explanations for the 'woo'. I think that your beliefs on the subject run pretty much concurrent with mine. I believe that you would find it interesting. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:42:25 PM EDT
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I can't say that I enjoyed reading it, because he will go pages without mentioning Bigfoot at all and instead focuses in the science andhow he believes it backs up his idea of what Bigfoot is. Howeverr, I think that it was important to read it as it gives a possible scientific explanation for the less scientific aspects of the phenomenon. It basically gives pretty good explanations for the 'woo'. I think that your beliefs on the subject run pretty much concurrent with mine. I believe that you would find it interesting. 
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:43:23 PM EDT
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I can't say that I enjoyed reading it, because he will go pages without mentioning Bigfoot at all and instead focuses in the science andhow he believes it backs up his idea of what Bigfoot is. Howeverr, I think that it was important to read it as it gives a possible scientific explanation for the less scientific aspects of the phenomenon. It basically gives pretty good explanations for the 'woo'. I think that your beliefs on the subject run pretty much concurrent with mine. I believe that you would find it interesting. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:51:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A parallel theory is that European germs knocked their numbers down, similar to Native tribes. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 2:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you read Scott Carpenter’s book yet? I was happy that he got some positive exposure on the Survivorman series. His Smokey Audio is a great piece of evidence. We have heard similar (but much fainter) sounds in the Smokies. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 3:02:16 PM EDT
[#36]
I need some of these books. Alas, saving money for a home and land.
Near a good creek. Wooded.  Eastern Oklahoma.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 3:07:22 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need some of these books. Alas, saving money for a home and land. Near a good creek. Wooded. Eastern Oklahoma.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 3:45:43 PM EDT
[#38]
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Lots of escaped zoo animals in that area. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I need some of these books. Alas, saving money for a home and land. Near a good creek. Wooded. Eastern Oklahoma.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:31:04 PM EDT
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So. Here's an interesting event for yall.
So, my brother in WV, sends me a text. His neighbor recorded some noises, she said it lasted 15 minutes or so. I have a 6 second clip of it. But need my good phones to listen Anyway. She gets freaked out and calls the DNR to take a report and see her video. DNR guy flat out tells her that he has never heard anything like it. Tells her " well, you just got the 1st recording of a bigfoot on XYZ mountain...congrats."
Eta: from what little i can hear . Its a long low howl or hollering. Whooooooooooooooo sound. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:34:59 PM EDT
[#40]
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So. Here's an interesting event for yall. So, my brother in WV, sends me a text. His neighbor recorded some noises, she said it lasted 15 minutes or so. I have a 6 second clip of it. But need my good phones to listen Anyway. She gets freaked out and calls the DNR to take a report and see her video. DNR guy flat out tells her that he has never heard anything like it. Tells her " well, you just got the 1st recording of a bigfoot on XYZ mountain...congrats."
Eta: from what little i can hear . Its a long low howl or hollering. Whooooooooooooooo sound.  He must be new.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:41:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DNR said that?!? He must be new. He must not have gotten the 'you saw/heard a bear' training yet. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:43:33 PM EDT
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Yup. He must not have gotten the 'you saw/heard a bear' training yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: DNR said that?!? He must be new. He must not have gotten the 'you saw/heard a bear' training yet.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:48:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DNR said that?!? He must be new.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:50:38 PM EDT
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What evidence has been proven to be a hoax? The 'muppet' images that were proven to be photoshopped? Those were photoshopped by another researcher who edited out the branches to allow a full picture of the face. Not Standing. The allegations that either his wife or sister is a make up artist? That person is a cosmetician. Not a special effects artist. They put lipstick and eyeshadow on people. Not latex prosthetic effects. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You might want to do some more research into Todd Standing. He has been proven to hoax Bigfoot evidence in the past. It taints everything he does. The 'muppet' images that were proven to be photoshopped? Those were photoshopped by another researcher who edited out the branches to allow a full picture of the face. Not Standing. The allegations that either his wife or sister is a make up artist? That person is a cosmetician. Not a special effects artist. They put lipstick and eyeshadow on people. Not latex prosthetic effects. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 4:55:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DNR said that?!? He must be new. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 5:31:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His video of the "trail watchers" is widely considered to be a hoax. Also suing to have someone admit he is correct about bigfoot when his "proof" is shown to be a hoax. Yeah that all makes you have credibility. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 5:40:29 PM EDT
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I’ve hike throughout the PNW, portions of NW Montana and Idaho. There are some very dense and remote areas that I’d bet very few people have been in. They could very well exist and with game cameras and technology have no doubt images will come forth in the next few years to prove it.
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Posted: 8/1/2019 5:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you. He has a shady history and his work needs to be heavily scrutinized. However, he is a serious about the subject and others are saying good things about him. Unless I was there and could verify it, I would never endorse his work as genuine. Unfortunately, it’s easy to throw the baby out with the bath water, but he made his bed. I have met my hero’s and they are all human with faults. I am not saying that he is 100% authentic, but I refuse to jump on the Hate Todd Standing bandwagon just because someone heard that he was a hoaxer. He certainly isn't Biscardi. I honestly think that Todd had an encounter, but that he is somewhere on the spectrum and has a hard time with social interactions. He rubs people the wrong way with his enthusiasm for the subject. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 6:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. However, widely considered to be a hoax does not make his work a hoax. The whole subject of Bigfoot is considered to be a hoax by many. That does not invalidate the subject in my eyes. It just seems that with Standing everyone is quick to call him a hoax just because they heard that he is a hoaxer. So, what has been hoaxed? The picture that Barackman dubbed the muppet? The one that is obviously photoshopped? It has been photoshopped, but not by Standing. It was a guy named Alex Putney who photoshopped the branches out of the picture to get an idea of the entire face. The end result looks horrible and fake, but the end result is not what Standing released. I am not saying that he is 100% authentic, but I refuse to jump on the Hate Todd Standing bandwagon just because someone heard that he was a hoaxer. He certainly isn't Biscardi. I honestly think that Todd had an encounter, but that he is somewhere on the spectrum and has a hard time with social interactions. He rubs people the wrong way with his enthusiasm for the subject. |
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Posted: 8/1/2019 7:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I absolutely have no doubts he has had many encounters. The problem is when people try to monetize it or seek out fame. People give up their scruples while reaching for the moon. Not to mention that many people feel that they constantly have to raise the bar to stay relevant in this field. That's why I always found Mike Wooley to be a credible witness. His story stayed consistent throughout the years. He didn't try to out do everyone else with his encounter. |
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