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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:05:16 PM EST
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:13:01 PM EST
[#1]
I can’t watch, but was it loss of equipment not related to combat? M4/nods/armor can ad up pretty quick |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:13:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: Airborne11B]
[#2]
I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own it.
His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn’t get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:15:46 PM EST
[#3]
With your dog tags, I'm surprised that you are surprised by it.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:16:12 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fullautoguy: I can’t watch, but was it loss of equipment not related to combat? M4/nods/armor can ad up pretty quick He was ordered to leave it behind. Command fucked him. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:17:51 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn’t get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. waiiiit a sec. WHAT THE FUCK? you had to pay for equipment that got STAINED? did I read that right? I was a football player and if I had to pay for pants I got dirty in the game I would have lost my shit. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:19:01 PM EST
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:21:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: waiiiit a sec. WHAT THE FUCK? you had to pay for equipment that got STAINED? did I read that right? I was a football player and if I had to pay for pants I got dirty in the game I would have lost my shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: Originally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn’t get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. waiiiit a sec. WHAT THE FUCK? you had to pay for equipment that got STAINED? did I read that right? I was a football player and if I had to pay for pants I got dirty in the game I would have lost my shit. I've seen the same happen. Thankfully not myself. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:26:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Airborne11B]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: waiiiit a sec. WHAT THE FUCK? you had to pay for equipment that got STAINED? did I read that right? I was a football player and if I had to pay for pants I got dirty in the game I would have lost my shit. Yep, they’ll insist they issued you brand new gear (fucking LOL) and they’ll expect it back in better than brand new shape regardless of how many deployments you went on and if it comes back with rips, tears, fucking stains from ground combat…they don’t care. They’ll reject it and you can try to get a CIF worker who isn’t a complete fuckhead (good luck), or you can clean the gear, and if that doesn’t work you’re getting a statement of charges that’ll come out of your final pay. The big green weenie will fuck you no matter what. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:26:58 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: waiiiit a sec. WHAT THE FUCK? you had to pay for equipment that got STAINED? did I read that right? I was a football player and if I had to pay for pants I got dirty in the game I would have lost my shit. Yes. Turning shit in in the military is a cluster fuck. You could literally have all your shit still in the package and some dickhead would say that it’s not in the same condition as issued. It’s a horrible scam. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:30:33 PM EST
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I was never in the military, but I've heard enough anecdotal stories about turning in gear to assholes to believe the video. It's criminal IMO to force a grunt to pay for gear that is damaged through honest use. Infantry guys are supposed to use their gear. Who in their right mind thinks it should be turned into the quartermaster in the same condition it was issued after multiple deployments? Completely asinine.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:32:08 PM EST
[#11]
I can't believe people want to be literally owned/property of the government.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:34:32 PM EST
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This is how you breed resentment and actual hatred. Perfect condition to create a passive aggressive soldier that will definitely not reenlist and will actively harm the retention and recruitment of the DoD for their entire life.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:37:36 PM EST
[#13]
Next war care packages need scotchguard along with foot powder.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:39:53 PM EST
[#14]
That's insane. I would be taking names and writing my senators/Reps/Local news crew.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:44:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: gettysburg30]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By opti12206: I was never in the military, but I've heard enough anecdotal stories about turning in gear to assholes to believe the video. It's criminal IMO to force a grunt to pay for gear that is damaged through honest use. Infantry guys are supposed to use their gear. Who in their right mind thinks it should be turned into the quartermaster in the same condition it was issued after multiple deployments? Completely asinine. you know the worst part, the gear gets tossed in a box and DMROd and sold for pennies, while the SM gets to pay half or more of the cost of the item. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:54:57 PM EST
[#16]
I wonder why there is a recruitment problem?
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:56:08 PM EST
[#17]
Do any of you guys remember the “mountain rucksack”. We were issued them to test jump. We never jumped them, and I kept mine in the original “SEALED” plastic bag, and when I went to ft. brags cif they wouldn’t take it and actually told me it was dirty and I needed to clean it because it had holes in the plastic, like the ones that are perfect holes. My pat. Sgt finally went with me there and got them to sign off on it, but still got a bill for it several years later against my taxes.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:02:00 PM EST
[#18]
If he thinks the .gov last priority is military members now. Wait until he needs the VA for something.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:06:56 PM EST
[#19]
This has got to be some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:13:58 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn’t get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. The U.S. government made you pay for equipment that you and your buddies bled all over, in a war for its benefit? That's just....insane. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:14:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: -Ascent-]
[#21]
Seems odd to me.
It was 2 years after he left Afghanistan. He didn’t have any post mission layout and FLIPL after Afghanistan. Then he didn’t have anything replaced after 2 years of layouts for training and GRF missions. Sucks he got charged but I wouldn’t have waited so long to make a fuss about missing gear. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:14:42 PM EST
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Got a nice $4k deduction for lost/damaged equipment. An entire platoons worth of shit, mine included was "lost" in transit back state side. Every single one of us got fucked. As said before, big green weenie gonna tap that ass no matter what.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:15:05 PM EST
[#23]
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuupe
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QC, CAN
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:17:13 PM EST
[#24]
I’m betting I know where that $3500 loss came from if he just cleared CIF and someone probably bought it for pennies on the dollar on Yadkin.
1BCT went out the door with a ruck and A Bag, and most of those never made it to HKIA and were turned around in Kuwait. That packing list doesn’t come close to $3500. However a missing IHPS and the new plate system with plates (issued just prior to that deployment) comes in pretty close to that price, I know he didn't get back on the bird without those items. FLIPLs were too easy after that cluster fuck and plenty of shortages were reconciled in the months afterwords. Some of you are too eager and willing to listen to BS. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:18:20 PM EST
[#25]
His TL or SL was pencil-whipping TA-50 layouts, or they did the layouts but then the company supply/XO didn't initiate the FLIPL for his missing gear. Either way the company commander (probably on the 2nd or maybe even 3rd company commander since they actually left the gear behind) isn't doing his job. And his 1SG isn't doing his job to be aware of what's going on and make the commander take care of soldiers. All of this is super common and Biden being in office ain't got nothing to do with it.
I had to do a FLIPL one time for a dude that had been missing his helmet for like 3 years. Every time he had a layout or needed to go to the field he would borrow one from someone in another company, so his leadership didn't even know it was missing. He got charged for the helmet. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:19:30 PM EST
[#26]
This is a lot more common than folks realize.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:20:59 PM EST
[#27]
So if you are killed in combat, the bureaucrats will charge your dependents for the bullet holes and blood stains in your uniform.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:22:46 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BM-ARM-DPMS-guns: This has got to be some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. This thread has shocked me that more of these clerks aren’t straight up fragged. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:25:34 PM EST
[#29]
Smells fishy. FLIPL should have been done within a couple months of returning.
Shoot, that would have been the easiest FLIPL ever as IO. Easier than the one where I found the missing equipment and closed it out. "Left in warzone due to massive clusterfuck at administration and GO level. No liability for soldier." |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:27:39 PM EST
[#30]
OCIE is a motherfucker!
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:34:55 PM EST
[#31]
Wasn't there a story way back where a US soldier took a snipers bullet to the head (Iraq?)... Survived, but his helmet was fucked up..?
Apparently he had difficulty procuring a replacement until Rumsfeld or some other douche made a photo op out of presenting him with a new one.... |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:38:44 PM EST
[#32]
There was a helicopter pilot who had fucked up into the powerlines in Washington recently. I wonder if military loss prevention will be all over them, or if they have a loss damage waiver like enterprise or avis
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:51:01 PM EST
[#33]
Man, looks like the poor bastard got charged twice even!
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/US-Military-is-charging-individual-soldiers-for-gear-left-in-Afghanistan/5-2687964/ |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:51:07 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn’t get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. Why didn't you dx it then take the new equipment and turn it in? Also wtf has none of these units never heard of a field loss? Damn bs like this crap is some of the reasons I left the 82nd and went into sf. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:53:16 PM EST
[#35]
If you've never @'ed your state Senators or Reps, now would be a good first time.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:54:17 PM EST
[#36]
Just here to say the Air Force just lets you keep all of your stuff. No CIF
 Have a great day!
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:57:23 PM EST
[#37]
Only thing I paid for was my light fighter tent, sleep system and my new ruck. I wanted to keep those and CIF was cool with it.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:03:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: So if you are killed in combat, the bureaucrats will charge your dependents for the bullet holes and blood stains in your uniform. Lol no, those are the easiest FLIPLs to do, just need to include the death certificate with it. You don't need to turn anything in at all even if the dude had it back in his CHU. I only did one of those in my time. Now when a dude goes to jail, they will get charged for anything that was not in the wall locker at the time of inventory. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:07:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackRifleJihad: Just here to say the Air Force just lets you keep all of your stuff. No CIF Have a great day!No they don't. Not your vest, plates, weapons, IFAK, at least. You get to keep your uniform though, sure. Maybe a backpack or luggage bag...lol |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:58:13 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own CIF civilians can eat a dick. Especially that fuckin oxyclean guy. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:04:21 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: Why didn't you dx it then take the new equipment and turn it in? Also wtf has none of these units never heard of a field loss? Damn bs like this crap is some of the reasons I left the 82nd and went into sf. Because besides the big brown splotches all over it, most of it was still serviceable (95% of it wasn’t my blood, most occurred rendering aid) but it never occurred to me that eventually they wouldn’t take this stuff back when the time came to turn it in. So then I’m 4 days from finaling out to ETS, and lo and behold when I go to turn my shit in that’s seen 3 deployments, they tell me that they won’t accept it with the blood stains and it needs to cleaned. I’m like wtf ever so I try to clean it, letting it soak overnight in a tub full of oxyclean and scrubbing the shit out of it but nope didn’t work. After they rejected it a second time I said fuck it and went to my supply Sergeant to get a statement of charges because I was over it and wanted the fuck out and was tired of the Army’s shit. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:07:03 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: So if you are killed in combat, the bureaucrats will charge your dependents for the bullet holes and blood stains in your uniform. Dudes lost lots of gear and shit my first deployment to IEDs and such. It was just written off. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:08:54 PM EST
[#43]
The Army is pretty well fucked up.
And most leaders are sorry ass leaders when it comes down to it. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:09:51 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I'm like wtf ever so I try to clean it, letting it soak overnight in a tub full of oxyclean and scrubbing the shit out of it but nope didn't work. After they rejected it a second time I said fuck it and went to my supply Sergeant to get a statement of charges because I was over it and wanted the fuck out and was tired of the Army's shit. My EMT sister is a big fan of hydrogen peroxide for that. Again, a FLIPL would have likely cleaned that right up. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:11:01 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it's on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn't get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:11:10 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: Because besides the big brown splotches all over it, most of it was still serviceable (95% of it wasn’t my blood, most occurred rendering aid) but it never occurred to me that eventually they wouldn’t take this stuff back when the time came to turn it in. So then I’m 4 days from finaling out to ETS, and lo and behold when I go to turn my shit in that’s seen 3 deployments, they tell me that they won’t accept it with the blood stains and it needs to cleaned. I’m like wtf ever so I try to clean it, letting it soak overnight in a tub full of oxyclean and scrubbing the shit out of it but nope didn’t work. After they rejected it a second time I said fuck it and went to my supply Sergeant to get a statement of charges because I was over it and wanted the fuck out and was tired of the Army’s shit. That's stupid shit. Your supply Sgt could helped you out with a field loss. Would not have done them any harm. They could have ruled it nit your fault, which it wasn't. Hell at that point depending how long till you had to clear, I probably would have made it unserviceable and dx it. I can understand your frustration though. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:12:34 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it’s on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn’t get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. You should’ve filed a congressional. I remember I once had to paint an e-tool that never made it out of my c bag to satisfy some CIF douchebag before getting my DD214. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:14:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: You got charged for getting your work clothes stained at work doing work wtf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By Airborne11B: I 100% believe it. If it's on your hand receipt you own it. His command straight up fucked this dude. I had multiple items (medium ruck, plate carrier, pouches, other shit) that had a pretty good amount of blood on them from different gunfights, IEDs and shit in Afghanistan, couldn't get the stains out despite multiple washing and soaking with oxyclean, and I had to pay for it all. CIF civilians can eat a dick. There's a process for replacing this stuff at no cost to the soldier. People pay for things they shouldn't because they don't know about, or don't want to go through, the process. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:15:03 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: Seems odd to me. It was 2 years after he left Afghanistan. He didn’t have any post mission layout and FLIPL after Afghanistan. Then he didn’t have anything replaced after 2 years of layouts for training and GRF missions. Sucks he got charged but I wouldn’t have waited so long to make a fuss about missing gear. This, he was signed for shit for years and never did anything about it. It wasn't even the same commander by then. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:19:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: daemon734]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tarheel7734: Why didn't you dx it then take the new equipment and turn it in? Also wtf has none of these units never heard of a field loss? Damn bs like this crap is some of the reasons I left the 82nd and went into sf. I had a nomex one piece and an IBA cut off me in a medevac. When I was RTD'ed a weeks later somebody handed me an IBA to get on the bird, but my nomex was still on my hand receipt. I was an E3 and like 400 miles away from my HQ/supply guy and was told we would just handle it when we got back, of course it never was. When we got back we had a new supply guy and he wouldn't do it. So, when I cleared post to PCS I paid $60 for the nomex that was cut off me after getting hit by a hand grenade. My next few trips I knew better. I was typically still on my own far away from my command but when I had shit get other people's blood on it I put it in an ammo can and thermited it. I started collecting biohazard memos from senior medical personnel at my locations to pair with destruction memos, which I forwarded if I could, and kept for later turn in if I couldnt. I went through a shitload of boots and gloves one trip and used those memos to continuously get more shit from ADO sent. |
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