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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the video it looks like lots of empty seats. Fuck the NFL Agreed |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe they should have used a B1 instead? I was at the Atlanta nascar track many years ago when a B1 was tasked with the flyover. I swear you could feel the heat from the AB when he did his “sneak” from somewhere around turn 4. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:44:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was expecting some dumb fucking posts from airplane pilots and….. Son I am not disappoint.  2010 Alaska C 17 crash FULL VIDEO |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:45:31 PM EDT
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I was at the game and almost eye level with them. Was completely badass.
F the Karens. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s the first time I’ve heard of Ft. Campbell, Tennessee. Caught that too. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:54:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/2/2021 5:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 6:01:26 PM EDT
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buddies went and said it was one of the better fly overs they've seen.
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Posted: 12/2/2021 6:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn. FIFY These guys definitely had no regard for aerodynamic rules. It’s evident from the video. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 6:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @bionic589 How many airshows/formation flights have you planned briefed and flown? Never did a airshow or sportsball flyover, always had other obligations. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 6:22:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, when you're flightpath splits the scoreboard and the pressbox, it's going to be "looked into it a bit further".
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Posted: 12/2/2021 6:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the FAA is butthurt that the helicopter flew too low? No I have no idea but would the FAA actually have any say/jurisdiction over a military flight? J- |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 6:46:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never did a airshow or sportsball flyover, always had other obligations. A few of us have experience in formation flying and aerial demonstrations. Many of us have lost friends and coworkers doing stupid shit in airplanes. Just because something looks awesome, and didn’t result in a mishap, doesn’t mean it was smart or won’t result in a tragic mishap next time. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:10:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few of us have experience in formation flying and aerial demonstrations. Many of us have lost friends and coworkers doing stupid shit in airplanes. Just because something looks awesome, and didn’t result in a mishap, doesn’t mean it was smart or won’t result in a tragic mishap next time. Well said Yup About 10 for me. Either did something stupid, bad decision, miscalculation, or something broke and they weren’t able to recover. I guess GD just thinks I’m a Karen |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:45:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: A few of us have experience in formation flying and aerial demonstrations. Many of us have lost friends and coworkers doing stupid shit in airplanes. Just because something looks awesome, and didn’t result in a mishap, doesn’t mean it was smart or won’t result in a tragic mishap next time. Quoted: Well said Yup About 10 for me. Either did something stupid, bad decision, miscalculation, or something broke and they weren’t able to recover. I guess GD just thinks I’m a Karen Dang, what is it about airplanes that makes them make such bad decisions be stupid? Oh btw I have done some formation flight before. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:50:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Looks like awesome sauce to me... but I'm not a pussy.
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:52:41 PM EDT
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Just curious if the pearl clutching is from fixed wing guys versus rotary?
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:54:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang, what is it about airplanes that makes them make such bad decisions be stupid? Oh btw I have done some formation flight before. Aviation mishaps come in many flavors. This is an excellent book that delves into the topic of ‘rogue’ aviators if you are curious enough for a deeper dive on the subject. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:55:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aviation mishaps come in many flavors. This is an excellent book that delves into the topic of 'rogue' aviators if you are curious enough for a deeper dive on the subject. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 7:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks low, but that would only make it more awesome IMHO... Not a pilot, but what's the harm in flying at ~300 feet vs ~1000 feet? Worst case is the helo crashes into the crowd, altitude would have been zero at that point.  Thee are altitude restrictions for buildings, populated areas, crowds, etc - basically if something goes wrong you have to be able to crash somewhere else... If they are at 1000 feet, they (might) crash into the parking lot as opposed to the stands. Unless there was a waiver for the event, the video definitely shows them to be in violation of those restrictions. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:06:34 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone continues to be outraged by anything of no consequence, while ignoring everything of importance that needs fixing. Best sentence ever |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang, what is it about airplanes that makes them make such bad decisions be stupid? Oh btw I have done some formation flight before.  |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:24:09 PM EDT
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I wish this was the story instead what we got
If someone posted I'm sorry  “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.” Happy Thanksgiving, all. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thee are altitude restrictions for buildings, populated areas, crowds, etc - basically if something goes wrong you have to be able to crash somewhere else... If they are at 1000 feet, they (might) crash into the parking lot as opposed to the stands. Unless there was a waiver for the event, the video definitely shows them to be in violation of those restrictions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks low, but that would only make it more awesome IMHO... Not a pilot, but what's the harm in flying at ~300 feet vs ~1000 feet? Worst case is the helo crashes into the crowd, altitude would have been zero at that point. Thee are altitude restrictions for buildings, populated areas, crowds, etc - basically if something goes wrong you have to be able to crash somewhere else... If they are at 1000 feet, they (might) crash into the parking lot as opposed to the stands. Unless there was a waiver for the event, the video definitely shows them to be in violation of those restrictions. And those altitude restrictions include an exemption for certain types of aircraft, such as helicopters. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @bionic589 How many airshows/formation flights have you planned briefed and flown? |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And those altitude restrictions include an exemption for certain types of aircraft, such as helicopters. I would be absolutely floored if the regulations for an aerial demonstration or flyover, even for army helicopters, allowed them to fly over the stadium at an altitude which allowed fans in the nosebleeds to look at the tops of rotor blades. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 8:52:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was expecting some dumb fucking posts from airplane pilots and….. Son I am not disappoint.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8D5v_t8LacI walked off the flightline [immediately adjacent to the accident site] 30-minutes before that happened. That year was horrible as we lost an F-22 4-months later. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 9:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RIP  |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 9:01:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be absolutely floored if the regulations for an aerial demonstration or flyover, even for army helicopters, allowed them to fly over the stadium at an altitude which allowed fans in the nosebleeds to look at the tops of rotor blades. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And those altitude restrictions include an exemption for certain types of aircraft, such as helicopters. I would be absolutely floored if the regulations for an aerial demonstration or flyover, even for army helicopters, allowed them to fly over the stadium at an altitude which allowed fans in the nosebleeds to look at the tops of rotor blades. It's essentially a blanket exemption from the altitude restrictions, for rotary wing (helicopters), weight shift (some ultralights), and paramotors (as I recall), as long as they are operated in a safe manner. A followup to the initial news report states that there were no camera wires over the stadium, and the wires people are getting worked up over, are supporting the net behind the goal post (much lower than the helicopters as they flew over). https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/titans-flyover-now-subject-of-a-pending-investigation-faa-says |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 9:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's essentially a blanket exemption from the altitude restrictions, for rotary wing (helicopters), weight shift (some ultralights), and paramotors (as I recall), as long as they are operated in a safe manner. A followup to the initial news report states that there were no camera wires over the stadium, and the wires people are getting worked up over, are supporting the net behind the goal post (much lower than the helicopters as they flew over). https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/titans-flyover-now-subject-of-a-pending-investigation-faa-says I’m not talking about FAA regulations, or getting wound up about the wires. The Air Force has a specific set of regulations and AFIs that cover aerial demonstrations and flyovers, as well as low altitude flight over populated areas. They pretty much say you must be a certain altitude above the highest man made obstacle within a certain distance of where you are operating. I’m sure the Army has a very similar set of regulations, and as I said, I would be shocked if these Army aviation regulations permitted this flyover to occur where fans could look down on the helos inside the stadium. ETA: I’m unfamiliar with army rotary wing ops, so I could be completely wrong, but I’d be willing to bet we read a thread in GD here in a month or two detailing how the flight lead had his wings taken from him, and the other members of the formation likewise suffered some administrative discipline. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 9:46:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not talking about FAA regulations, or getting wound up about the wires. The Air Force has a specific set of regulations and AFIs that cover aerial demonstrations and flyovers, as well as low altitude flight over populated areas. They pretty much say you must be a certain altitude above the highest man made obstacle within a certain distance of where you are operating. I’m sure the Army has a very similar set of regulations, and as I said, I would be shocked if these Army aviation regulations permitted this flyover to occur where fans could look down on the helos inside the stadium. ETA: I’m unfamiliar with army rotary wing ops, so I could be completely wrong, but I’d be willing to bet we read a thread in GD here in a month or two detailing how the flight lead had his wings taken from him, and the other members of the formation likewise suffered some administrative discipline. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's essentially a blanket exemption from the altitude restrictions, for rotary wing (helicopters), weight shift (some ultralights), and paramotors (as I recall), as long as they are operated in a safe manner. A followup to the initial news report states that there were no camera wires over the stadium, and the wires people are getting worked up over, are supporting the net behind the goal post (much lower than the helicopters as they flew over). https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/titans-flyover-now-subject-of-a-pending-investigation-faa-says I’m not talking about FAA regulations, or getting wound up about the wires. The Air Force has a specific set of regulations and AFIs that cover aerial demonstrations and flyovers, as well as low altitude flight over populated areas. They pretty much say you must be a certain altitude above the highest man made obstacle within a certain distance of where you are operating. I’m sure the Army has a very similar set of regulations, and as I said, I would be shocked if these Army aviation regulations permitted this flyover to occur where fans could look down on the helos inside the stadium. ETA: I’m unfamiliar with army rotary wing ops, so I could be completely wrong, but I’d be willing to bet we read a thread in GD here in a month or two detailing how the flight lead had his wings taken from him, and the other members of the formation likewise suffered some administrative discipline. I wouldn't be surprised if the Army's regulations for rotary wing are significantly different from the fixed wing regulations of other branches of the military, just like the FAA's regulations have significant exceptions for rotary wing aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 9:48:45 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone painting sky dicks again? 
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:36:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok I’ll ask you the same question. @doublearon |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:42:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't be surprised if the Army's regulations for rotary wing are significantly different from the fixed wing regulations of other branches of the military, just like the FAA's regulations have significant exceptions for rotary wing aircraft. There undoubtably are differences in regulations. And there should be. But I would still be shocked if those Regs allowed a flyover of a full NFL stadium below the tops of that stadium. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:15:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not talking about FAA regulations, or getting wound up about the wires. The Air Force has a specific set of regulations and AFIs that cover aerial demonstrations and flyovers, as well as low altitude flight over populated areas. They pretty much say you must be a certain altitude above the highest man made obstacle within a certain distance of where you are operating. I’m sure the Army has a very similar set of regulations, and as I said, I would be shocked if these Army aviation regulations permitted this flyover to occur where fans could look down on the helos inside the stadium. ETA: I’m unfamiliar with army rotary wing ops, so I could be completely wrong, but I’d be willing to bet we read a thread in GD here in a month or two detailing how the flight lead had his wings taken from him, and the other members of the formation likewise suffered some administrative discipline. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's essentially a blanket exemption from the altitude restrictions, for rotary wing (helicopters), weight shift (some ultralights), and paramotors (as I recall), as long as they are operated in a safe manner. A followup to the initial news report states that there were no camera wires over the stadium, and the wires people are getting worked up over, are supporting the net behind the goal post (much lower than the helicopters as they flew over). https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/titans-flyover-now-subject-of-a-pending-investigation-faa-says I’m not talking about FAA regulations, or getting wound up about the wires. The Air Force has a specific set of regulations and AFIs that cover aerial demonstrations and flyovers, as well as low altitude flight over populated areas. They pretty much say you must be a certain altitude above the highest man made obstacle within a certain distance of where you are operating. I’m sure the Army has a very similar set of regulations, and as I said, I would be shocked if these Army aviation regulations permitted this flyover to occur where fans could look down on the helos inside the stadium. ETA: I’m unfamiliar with army rotary wing ops, so I could be completely wrong, but I’d be willing to bet we read a thread in GD here in a month or two detailing how the flight lead had his wings taken from him, and the other members of the formation likewise suffered some administrative discipline. Do they have a specific set of regulations for ejection too?  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:26:33 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok I'll ask you the same question. @doublearon |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:06:02 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There undoubtably are differences in regulations. And there should be. But I would still be shocked if those Regs allowed a flyover of a full NFL stadium below the tops of that stadium. There are no Army Flight Regulations that address the matter and the applicable Part 91 regs have already been quoted. (It's possible that additional restrictions could be addressed in Fort Campbell's supplement to 95-1 but I doubt that) Assuming that the mission was approved, appropriate risk assessed, the briefing officer signed the mission brief and the pilots complied with the parameters of the brief, they properly accomplished their assigned mission. Since the CAB Commander was the AMC, I'd suggest that all of the above were met. Retired FAA Safety Inspector Karen needs to wipe his (retired) vagina. Or, better yet, just fuck right off. If the Titans, NFL or, more appropriately, the stadium management have a problem with it then their dissatisfaction should be addressed. Has anybody heard them bitchin'? |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:09:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was at the game and almost eye level with them. Was completely badass. F the Karens. That likely violated multiple FAA regulations. Someone will pay for it. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:18:54 AM EDT
[#39]
FAA has no say in what the Military does. Fuck those guys.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:22:56 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be absolutely floored if the regulations for an aerial demonstration or flyover, even for army helicopters, allowed them to fly over the stadium at an altitude which allowed fans in the nosebleeds to look at the tops of rotor blades. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And those altitude restrictions include an exemption for certain types of aircraft, such as helicopters. I would be absolutely floored if the regulations for an aerial demonstration or flyover, even for army helicopters, allowed them to fly over the stadium at an altitude which allowed fans in the nosebleeds to look at the tops of rotor blades. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 4:07:26 AM EDT
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It was fairly low but not unsafe.
Honestly if I was doing that flight back in my youth I would have actually wanted to drop it down lower once I came into the stadium. But I was young and dumb. On one hand you want to give them a good show but on the other you want to be safe and not get your shit pounded in. We did some crazy shit getting into and out of static displays sometimes. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 5:58:46 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they have a specific set of regulations for ejection too? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/Crash_arp_600pix_jpg-2190026.JPG If you set your altimeter to the correct reading then you might not have to eject. We briefed to set it to 0 for the airshows. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 6:42:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/4/2021 2:02:56 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: RIP Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RIP
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Posted: 12/4/2021 2:16:30 PM EDT
[#45]
I was at this game. It was sick and the Karen’s need to stfu
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Posted: 12/4/2021 2:28:27 PM EDT
[#46]
That's nothing
 Plane fly over city skyscraper in Sydney 11-Oct-2018 |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 2:46:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone continues to be outraged by anything of no consequence, while ignoring everything of importance that needs fixing. |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 7:44:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Caught that too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That’s the first time I’ve heard of Ft. Campbell, Tennessee. Caught that too. The majority of the post and the training areas, say 75%, is in Tennessee and that's where Id say 90% of the off-post people live, in Clarksville and thereabouts. Just so happens they put the post office on the Kentucky side. The Div HQ is about 300 feet into Kentucky. |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 7:46:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Did someone go below the hard deck?
Is jester dead? |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 10:51:02 PM EDT
[#50]
All those fly by's are awesome.... The FAA should fuck off
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