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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: meh, IDGAF about ponytails in PT uniform. I think the argument against beards has always been sealing up a protective mask. Not sure how the Sikhs get away with their beards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The hair highlights thing is 100% a concession to fashion. That the latter didn't happen is evidence this whole thing included concessions to women who wanted to be able to be more fashionable when they took of their uniforms, not just practical modification to appearance rules in uniform. The equivalent for men would be allowing a neatly trimmed beard. Which, alas, was not considered. meh, IDGAF about ponytails in PT uniform. I think the argument against beards has always been sealing up a protective mask. Not sure how the Sikhs get away with their beards. Sikhs sign an agreement that they understand a beard over 1/2" is unlikely to seal. Funny thing about the testing to determine the 1/2" number? It was conducted with zero gender discrimination, so while they were having men grow beards, mustaches, etc, measuring, testing, and growing or cutting off amounts every two weeks, along with numerous photographs documenting the shape and style of their grooming, they also accepted an equal number of women who stated they did not shave, attempted to measure their facial hair, and used them as test subjects. No worries ladies. If you have a tiny bit of hair on your upper lip, well within the confines of the mustache grooming standard for men, your mask will seal.  Kharn |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:33:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: ETA: for those that don’t know it’s Wear and Appearance of Army Uniform and Insignia |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 2:56:21 AM EDT
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Im not worried about the standards.
The language used to describe the standards is what worries me: In addition, the revised regulation will not contain potentially offensive language used to describe several hairstyles – for example, “Mohawk, eccentric, faddish, Fu Manchu, dreadlock” – which will be replaced with alternative verbiage. “We are continuously assessing our policies to identify areas for improvement, then implementing policies that demonstrate our commitment to ensuring all Soldiers feel as though they are valued members of the Army team,” said Brito. “We know that actions speak louder than words when it comes to inclusivity and equity within our ranks, and we believe that the changes we announced today are one example of policies that put our people first.” https://soldiersystems.net/2021/01/26/us-army-updates-grooming-standards/ This SJW shit went from fringe online discussion 5 years ago to now being written into Army regulations... |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:07:05 AM EDT
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Lol, the "we've always done it this way" butthurt is real in this thread.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:15:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the argument against beards has always been sealing up a protective mask. Which is absolute bullshit for non-combat, non-deployed SMs. If your MOS won't ever be in danger of CBRN, what a pathetic waste of time and energy hounding guys for not being baby butt clean shaven 24/7. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:17:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no beards, no care Came to post this. At the very least, allow (require  ) anyone with a sapper tab a beard. It's tradition!
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:20:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only while in garison. Training or combat ops is still a no go. I'm just here for the absurdity of "combat uniforms" in garrison. Oh, and men in garrison still can't have beards or long hair, or even non-pedo mustaches, but women can have their hair however they want, and earrings and makeup. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 6:20:42 AM EDT
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I wouldn't really care about hair styles or beards, except we know there are some units/individuals who will always manage to look professional no matter what, and there are others who will always manage to look like complete shit, no matter what.
Nor does the top political or military leadership care, really: they just know how hard it is to get enough bodies to fill the ranks, after accounting for criminal history, physical fitness, or mental illness. Hairstyles and grooming is just 1 of 100 things that we could be worried about. But don't, because the same thing will happen as it always does every few decades: the Army will get its ASS kicked somewhere in an extremely embarrassing fashion, and many body bags will be offloaded from cargo planes, and THEN the politicians will wake up and give the generals the license to do the shit that actually wins wars. For reference: Korea, Vietnam, and GWOT. Rinse and repeat. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 6:42:26 AM EDT
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CIB is the only thing that matters.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:15:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:09:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:12:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the Internet: “What we wanted versus what we got” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/343031/11C3D17E-8F01-405F-B182-3378B9AC03CA_jpe-1798850.JPG Plot twist: those are his nails. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:14:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI will say, if a few changes to the regs will allow some people to wear a patrol cap, helmet or gas mask properly, or even...so it just fits on their freaking head...I could live with that. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:19:43 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryHe’s such a pussy |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:22:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im out 20210321 and it cant come fast enough. 12/28/21 for me.. wanna trade?  I can't wait.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:24:00 AM EDT
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Im no longer in the Army so I dont give a shit . They can wear rainbow camo tutu’s and fuck me pumps with any and all hair styles lengths and colors for all of the many sexual orientations so as not to hurt any of the little pussys fragile fucking feelings . We live in a country of bitches .
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USAF did pretty much the same thing a couple days ago |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:39:05 AM EDT
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I don't care if you have an afro, a mullet, a (formerly known as) mohawk, pink hair, green hair, orange hair, earrings, cockrings, I don't care if you have a beard, I don't care if you have nail polish, I don't care if you have lipstick, I don't care if you wear a woman's uniform.
Just fucking show up to work on time and do your job so we can all go home. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:44:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our odds of success get better every day. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 8:50:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care if you have an afro, a mullet, a (formerly known as) mohawk, pink hair, green hair, orange hair, earrings, cockrings, I don't care if you have a beard, I don't care if you have nail polish, I don't care if you have lipstick, I don't care if you wear a woman's uniform. Just fucking show up to work on time and do your job so we can all go home. The type of people that had issues conforming with the previous standards, and several iterations before that, were not typically performers. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:05:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is absolute bullshit for non-combat, non-deployed SMs. If your MOS won't ever be in danger of CBRN, what a pathetic waste of time and energy hounding guys for not being baby butt clean shaven 24/7. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think the argument against beards has always been sealing up a protective mask. Which is absolute bullshit for non-combat, non-deployed SMs. If your MOS won't ever be in danger of CBRN, what a pathetic waste of time and energy hounding guys for not being baby butt clean shaven 24/7. Every MOS is in danger of CBRN attack at any moment when deployed, but the probability of use is low. Stateside, some units certainly have a need to maintain CBRN readiness 24x7 while others could relax except for FTXs. I think up to 1/2 inch beards while in garrison should be allowed. Shipboard, in flight, and in the field, back to the current standard. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:19:17 AM EDT
[#22]
I am all for the women looking and acting like women; but having spent a lot of time on Fort Sam Houston, I would say the women soldiers need to shed a lot of weight.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:31:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s such a pussy Sergeant Major of the Army |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:31:30 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty soon cocksucker will be a compliment in the military.  GIF failed to work... |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:38:45 AM EDT
[#25]
Just for grins, what is the racial and gender demographics of the big Army and was grooming board representative of theses demographics?
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:41:17 AM EDT
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Simple fix don’t re-enlist and tell your kids not to serve. They’ll come begging one day when they get into a real war, tell them “no” then as well. Let the trannies fight their wars from now on.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:42:12 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sergeant Major of the Army Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He’s such a pussy Sergeant Major of the Army And a pussy. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:55:07 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure there will be plenty of female soldiers with beards. Back in 1983 when my cousin first got to fleet or whatever marines call it after boot and ait. They were in formation and a mater gunnery sgt was eyeing up the whole formation and then went off on a new marine for not policing that moostache, if they want to have one, it better be within regulation. After formation my cousins found out it was a woman 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:57:00 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Simple fix don’t re-enlist and tell your kids not to serve. They’ll come begging one day when they get into a real war, tell them “no” then as well. Let the trannies fight their wars from now on. Exactly. Oh, and we've finally solved the military/veteran suicide problem too, in one feel swoop! Hooray!   |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 9:57:18 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "To those former soldiers I will say we have the greatest Army the world has ever seen, in this year, right now," Grinston said. "Our soldiers are smarter, stronger, and faster than we've ever had. And I am extremely proud of everybody in the Army, right now, and our changes are to make us a better Army and more inclusive. And we will continue to have the greatest Army the world has ever seen." That a pretty big FU to veterans. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:02:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a shaving profile or convert to Sikhism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: no beards, no care Get a shaving profile or convert to Sikhism. Would that conversion to Sikhism include the ability to carry a dagger in uniform? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:11:33 AM EDT
[#32]
More pandering to appeal to the ghetto demographic recruiters are after these days.
That said, LOL, you haven't seen hate until you see an AF nurse walk into a deployed field hospital wearing simple pearl earrings and every army nurse within 100m immediately locks in on her ear lobes and spews a silent hate from the core of her being that chills the room. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:52:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every MOS is in danger of CBRN attack at any moment when deployed, but the probability of use is low. Stateside, some units certainly have a need to maintain CBRN readiness 24x7 while others could relax except for FTXs. I think up to 1/2 inch beards while in garrison should be allowed. Shipboard, in flight, and in the field, back to the current standard. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think the argument against beards has always been sealing up a protective mask. Which is absolute bullshit for non-combat, non-deployed SMs. If your MOS won't ever be in danger of CBRN, what a pathetic waste of time and energy hounding guys for not being baby butt clean shaven 24/7. Every MOS is in danger of CBRN attack at any moment when deployed, but the probability of use is low. Stateside, some units certainly have a need to maintain CBRN readiness 24x7 while others could relax except for FTXs. I think up to 1/2 inch beards while in garrison should be allowed. Shipboard, in flight, and in the field, back to the current standard. Kharn You know what relaxed standards during certain subjective situations leads to? Relaxed standards all the time. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:58:22 AM EDT
[#34]
Is it ok to play pocket pool yet?
How about wearing unit insignia on a gold chain around your neck? Getting a tattoo that says "Death to America" in Pashto on your neck? Asking for some friends |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:36:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:Would that conversion to Sikhism include the ability to carry a dagger in uniform? It does but outside an civilian airport, I have not seen a SM dinged for carrying a knife. Monk |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:42:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:Came to post this. At the very least, allow (require ) anyone with a sapper tab a beard. It's tradition!Facial hair by MOS/length of service 12B = Combat Engineers, modern equivalent of Sappers = Full Beard and an Axe Combat MOS = Full Moustaches for 1st enlistment starting after Basic/AIT. Beard for 2nd and beyond Cav Scouts = Long Moustaches and goatee Aviators = Robin Olds Moustache Monk |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:44:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Pony tails and clear nail polish.
Yep, totally worth the leadup and all the hype. Thanks, SMA! |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:09:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pony tails and clear nail polish. Yep, totally worth the leadup and all the hype. Thanks, SMA! don't you realize we got rid of rayciss hairstyle/facial-hair names like FU MANCHU and MOHAWK!!! 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:16:28 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: no beards, no care Self identify as a Sikh. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 3:21:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure there will be plenty of female soldiers with beards. I saw one in the 2nd Brigade, 3rd Armored Division in 1981. I threw up in the back of my throat when I saw her. I confronted her Company Commander and he said (correctly) 670-1 did not prohibit Females from having beards, just men. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 4:02:42 PM EDT
[#41]
I honestly think more men, and white in in particular, should become pagans while serving.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 4:05:04 PM EDT
[#42]
Still better than the goatroping shitshow that was (is?) the Navy's Seabag and Uniform Fuckery Improvement Program.
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