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Posted: 2/2/2023 2:13:02 PM EDT
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Yes they are available. Various price ranges and it's a great idea to have one as well as CPR training. Survivability increases substantially when CPR is started immediately.
Don't know these people and haven't used them but here's one place to start looking- https://www.aed.us |
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I got a refurb one with warranty from here and used HSA to pay for it.
https://www.calmedequipment.com/product/frx-refurbished/ |
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Yes. They are over the counter. They require a prescription that the company who sells them takes care of. Clearly a Doctor on retainer who signs off. Its a stupid requirement. An Aed will only shock a shockable rhythm.
I have 2 aeds. I have a Zoll AED Plus for my home. I have a lot of children AND we live 30 plus miles one way to town. If anything its for me. My other aed is a recertified Philips Heartstart FRX. It is rated to very low temps. I keep it in a Pelican case. I do NOT leave it in my vehicle though. Pads are the limiting factor. too much cold, too much hot and you might not get good adhesion. I take it anytime we leave the house. Going to the lake, camping, mountain biking, hiking, etc. I got the Philips heartstart as a recertified unit for $299 from AED.us. It has a 5 year warranty, new battery and pads. Included the case as well. Whatever you buy check pad and battery prices first. Some units have expensive batteries. some have expensive pads. As a Paramedic I use a monitor at work daily and most people never come back from cardiac arrest. Early Defibrillation is the key. If you have it when it happens there is a much better chance. Which is still very low. many of the AED companies are the same company. I mean different website and name, same company. aedsuperstore.com is another good one. I know that nobody wants to sign up for emails but both of those companies run specials on recertified units all the time. Although less so now than before the virus. I think it is VERY cheap insurance. You carry a firearm, spare mags, etc. Have an AED at home if only for you and your family. What could it hurt? |
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I know someone who installs them.... Suddenly all kinds of stores are buying them in the last year or so...
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Quoted: I got a refurb one with warranty from here and used HSA to pay for it. https://www.calmedequipment.com/product/frx-refurbished/ View Quote Didnt even think about paying for it with an HSA.... |
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What's the shelf life like on them? Is it something you can buy and plug in to keep it charged and it'll be ready to rock when you need it in 7yr?
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Quoted: What's the shelf life like on them? Is it something you can buy and plug in to keep it charged and it'll be ready to rock when you need it in 7yr? View Quote Most have a 5 year battery life. I dont know all of the brands, but assume 3-5 years. Then you replace the batterys and order new pads. This is as simple on some models as lithium cr2 batteries. Others are a one piece proprietary battery. They dont need to be charged. Typically there is a light that shows they are ready to go. |
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Great thread OP.. i have wondered this myself, but never really looked because of price... glad to see a quality refurb market.
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I'm a fan of the Zoll AEDPlus. It's the only one I am aware of that gives real time audio feedback on quality of compressions.
Costco used to have them on sale one or twice a year. Can't recall seeing them recently. |
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I really need to take a HF Pelican case, insulate it, and put in a DC heater and battery so I can leave the thing in my truck.
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Would be great if something like this hit the States. They can deliver them by drone.
https://cellaed.io/au |
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Quoted: I'm a fan of the Zoll AEDPlus. It's the only one I am aware of that gives real time audio feedback on quality of compressions. Costco used to have them on sale one or twice a year. Can't recall seeing them recently. View Quote It's funny to hear the aed compliment my Lucas before we switch over to our monitor. |
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Quoted: Would be great if something like this hit the States. They can deliver them by drone. https://cellaed.io/a View Quote Holy shit are those cheap!!!!! $400 for an AED. Non-refurb-able, use it an done. I'd be just fine with that. I wonder what the standby time is? They seem to have a yearly program for about $150 so that you 'always have one' available. Yearly trade in? |
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Quoted: It's funny to hear the aed compliment my Lucas before we switch over to our monitor. View Quote It would be more entertaining if they argued. Zoll: "Just squeeze me like the AutoPulse" Lucas: "I'm gonna thump you again mother fucker" Zoll: "Try and hit me harder bitch" (Insert Airplane clip "Striker!") |
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Quoted: Holy shit are those cheap!!!!! $400 for an AED. Non-refurb-able, use it an done. I'd be just fine with that. I wonder what the standby time is? They seem to have a yearly program for about $150 so that you 'always have one' available. Yearly trade in? View Quote |
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Quoted: Quoted: I know someone who installs them.... Suddenly all kinds of stores are buying them in the last year or so... Suddenly, indeed Come on, keep that shit out of here. Public access AEDs have been on the rise for years. More and more municipalities offer grants to businesses. Some even require them if you have over x number of employees. |
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I did some shopping recently. Seems the refurbished Phillips can be found in the $500 range.
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Quoted: Come on, keep that shit out of here. Public access AEDs have been on the rise for years. More and more municipalities offer grants to businesses. Some even require them if you have over x number of employees. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know someone who installs them.... Suddenly all kinds of stores are buying them in the last year or so... Suddenly, indeed Come on, keep that shit out of here. Public access AEDs have been on the rise for years. More and more municipalities offer grants to businesses. Some even require them if you have over x number of employees. I totally understand why people would want to get AEDs. My business has several of them. I don't unfortunately, but would like to have one as well at my home at some point. |
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Quoted: I totally understand why people would want to get AEDs. My business has several of them. I don't unfortunately, but would like to have one as well at my home at some point. View Quote |
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Quoted: For the price of a PSA DD AR and optic, you can have a re-furb unit. Is that not worth your life? Your wife? Kids? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I totally understand why people would want to get AEDs. My business has several of them. I don't unfortunately, but would like to have one as well at my home at some point. Yeah for sure. Will a HSA/FSA cover this? |
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They've been available for years, cost several thousand dollars.
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Quoted: Yeah for sure. Will a HSA/FSA cover this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I totally understand why people would want to get AEDs. My business has several of them. I don't unfortunately, but would like to have one as well at my home at some point. Yeah for sure. Will a HSA/FSA cover this? I'm fairly certain they will. HSA covers first aid kits. I used it to buy my IFAKs. |
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Quoted: I'm a fan of the Zoll AEDPlus. It's the only one I am aware of that gives real time audio feedback on quality of compressions. Costco used to have them on sale one or twice a year. Can't recall seeing them recently. View Quote Zoll had a 9 month lead time when I ordered one through unifirst last year. I assume anyone can go online and place an order. |
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I want one for out at my place due to the slow response times of the fire department
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Quoted: The manually operated ones down at Harbor Freight are just under $400 I think. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/aed_JPG-2695037.jpg View Quote Yes, I chortled. |
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Quoted: Yes. They are over the counter. They require a prescription that the company who sells them takes care of. Clearly a Doctor on retainer who signs off. Its a stupid requirement. An Aed will only shock a shockable rhythm. I have 2 aeds. I have a Zoll AED Plus for my home. I have a lot of children AND we live 30 plus miles one way to town. If anything its for me. My other aed is a recertified Philips Heartstart FRX. It is rated to very low temps. I keep it in a Pelican case. I do NOT leave it in my vehicle though. Pads are the limiting factor. too much cold, too much hot and you might not get good adhesion. I take it anytime we leave the house. Going to the lake, camping, mountain biking, hiking, etc. I got the Philips heartstart as a recertified unit for $299 from AED.us. It has a 5 year warranty, new battery and pads. Included the case as well. Whatever you buy check pad and battery prices first. Some units have expensive batteries. some have expensive pads. As a Paramedic I use a monitor at work daily and most people never come back from cardiac arrest. Early Defibrillation is the key. If you have it when it happens there is a much better chance. Which is still very low. many of the AED companies are the same company. I mean different website and name, same company. aedsuperstore.com is another good one. I know that nobody wants to sign up for emails but both of those companies run specials on recertified units all the time. Although less so now than before the virus. I think it is VERY cheap insurance. You carry a firearm, spare mags, etc. Have an AED at home if only for you and your family. What could it hurt? View Quote I don't think a prescription is required. Costco sent me an email sale for a Philips AED 6 years ago new for $1,000. Took a while to get it, but I just now got around to replacing the battery and pads. Great to have, and seems very simple and easy to use. I told all my neighbors that I have it and to come running if someone appears to be in need. |
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state legal issues (or lack of)
as I said at the begining you DO need a prescription. You will not have to do anything to get it though. The AED companies have Doctors on retainer who take care of it at the time of sale. An AED Requires a Prescription AEDs must be sold and operated according to strict FDA guidelines. On the consumer end, this means you will need a physician’s prescription before you buy. If you own multiple AEDs, every device must have its own prescription. The only exception is the Philips Heartstart OnSite AED, currently the only AED available for personal use without a prescription, though use within an organization, or outside of ‘personal’ use (usually considered within a private home) still requires a prescription. An AED prescription isn’t like a drug prescription. Whereas a drug prescription requires a pre-existing condition, an AED prescription isn’t intended to weed out ineligible users but rather to ensure that the device is properly labeled and responsibly maintained. You don’t need a pre-existing condition to obtain an AED prescription because cardiac arrest can happen to anyone. Every home, business, and facility can benefit from having at least one automated external defibrillator. To obtain a prescription, all you have to do is speak with a licensed physician and identify the specific model you intend to purchase. Your physician should hopefully be able to help you in providing the prescription, which you’ll want to keep for your records. These days several of the AED manufacturers also include an initial prescription shipped along with your AED, though this prescription does not meet the requirement for continued physician or medical oversight, as required in most States. Which AEDs Are Subject to FDA Guidelines? There are currently six FDA-approved AED brands: Cardiac Science (owned by ZOLL) Defibtech HeartSine (owned by Stryker, formerly Medtronic) Philips Physio Control (owned by Stryker, formerly Medtronic) ZOLL |
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Something else to consider if you're on the fence.
Where I live, our EMS service is a rural service that hires lazy fucks. My house to the closest hospital is 25 minutes, areas of the county are pushing an hour. The service here will not work a cardiac arrest of any kind. Period, end of story. They flat won't do it. If they show up and the pt has vitals, they will transport. Where I work, we pretty much all have the attitude of "oh you're dead, let me fix that" and get all serious. BUT we're a busy metro service and may or may not have units available. So it's still a good idea to have one. |
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Purchased my refurb Philips FRx from www.aed.us as well. Used FSA money. Good insurance to have.
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Just to point out to folks: These things are temp sensitive, most notably FREEZING sensitive. You cannot just leave them in your car in winter OR summer (unless your vehicle is parked in a heated/cooled garage at home and work).
So to carry one with you you have to bring it with you when you leave. I have a backpack that contains my AED, bleeder kit, ankle bleeder kit (for grab and go), and some other assorted stuff that just comes with me when I walk out the door. From the specs for the Philips Onsite: Standby Temperature 0 - 43 C (32 - 109 F) |
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Seems like most of these grant places are just sales sites that offer a $250 discount/grant to buy from them. Not an actual free or significantly discounted unit.
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I saw a startup company that is coming out with one for under $1k new.
Hopefully over time prices on them continue to decrease, making them more and more viable for home users. That said, this thread has me thinking. We all sit around here spending thousands on the chance of something bad happening, yet how many of us have a refurb AED that costs the same as a Glock 9mm. And statistically, a lot more of us will need an AED in our home than a gun. Like the gun, the AED protects everyone in your house, not just you. |
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Quoted: Just to point out to folks: These things are temp sensitive, most notably FREEZING sensitive. You cannot just leave them in your car in winter OR summer (unless your vehicle is parked in a heated/cooled garage at home and work). So to carry one with you you have to bring it with you when you leave. I have a backpack that contains my AED, bleeder kit, ankle bleeder kit (for grab and go), and some other assorted stuff that just comes with me when I walk out the door. From the specs for the Philips Onsite: Standby Temperature 0 - 43 C (32 - 109 F) View Quote The adhesive on the pads is literally the only thing that normal temperatures could harm. If you are that concerned with it just take the pads with you. |
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