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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:35:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Went down to Artesia NM a week ago to cut down a tree. Every time I shut the saw off it was cool-- automatic gunfire and such in the distance. This was over the course of several hours. If I had to guess at least 5000 rounds. I asked the homeowner what gives. He said it's the FLETC training center. I was envious. Feds would use my old departments range back in the 90's they would burn up cases of ammo before the end of the year. Invite us to shoot their ammo because they got tired of shooting. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:37:17 PM EDT
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Think about your post for a moment. If this rogue regime thinks our military will turn against them. They've already thought of LEOs doing the same.
These criminals in Washington are afraid of their own shadow right now. They are scared of everyone because they know we know what they pulled. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 10:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @bubbles was it a total random stranger stealing ammo, or someone with department connetions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're supposed to do a demo for a local LE agency. The day before they called and cancelled - someone stole 5000 rounds of 9mm and the dummies didn't have surveillance cameras on it. They ordered more and we rescheduled for a month later, but they could only procure 500 rounds of ammo. Two days before the demo, ammo nowhere to be found but at least they'd installed cameras so the thief was caught. Demo has been rescheduled for Feb. Hopefully the third time is the charm. was it a total random stranger stealing ammo, or someone with department connetions? Quoted: Did you hear who did it, as in LE employee, non-LE employee, or not employed there? Did they offer to waive prosecution if he returns the 10k rounds he stole? (yes, I said 10k, because fuck thieves) While I was not told who did it, I did learn that it was an inside job. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 10:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps the cops in your state should switch to 10rd mags like everyone has to use. Might slow their blasting away on the range down a little bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps the cops in your state should switch to 10rd mags like everyone has to use. Might slow their blasting away on the range down a little bit. Rules for thee and not for me in NYS. Nah, they just reduced the courses of fire round count from 350-400 rounds a day to 100(36 of those rounds being what the PO brought in with them) with dry fire training. Quoted: Feds would use my old departments range back in the 90's they would burn up cases of ammo before the end of the year. Invite us to shoot their ammo because they got tired of shooting. Ha, Feds didn't even trouble with inviting back then. They'd just leave it behind. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:56:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you hear who did it, as in LE employee, non-LE employee, or not employed there? Did they offer to waive prosecution if he returns the 10k rounds he stole? (yes, I said 10k, because fuck thieves) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're supposed to do a demo for a local LE agency. The day before they called and cancelled - someone stole 5000 rounds of 9mm Did you hear who did it, as in LE employee, non-LE employee, or not employed there? Did they offer to waive prosecution if he returns the 10k rounds he stole? (yes, I said 10k, because fuck thieves) I totally agree that the restitution for stealing X shouldn't be just the return of X, but rather it should be 2X. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:59:46 AM EDT
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We are having problems just like everyone else sourcing ammo. The Original Post is trolling.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:04:06 AM EDT
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Most agencies have multiple year inventories of ammo. We buy at state bid prices from wholesalers.
The only real impact for us was changing to 9 mm at a bad time. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:06:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps the cops in your state should switch to 10rd mags like everyone has to use. Might slow their blasting away on the range down a little bit. Click |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:07:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe start handloading. It would be a great job for that desk jockey on light duty. Dumbest post of the day |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:34:26 AM EDT
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Yes. Local governments don’t always follow buy it cheap stack it deep. And they freeze spending when you say, hey, this is going to be a crisis.
Please send me links to the LE priority dealers or the secret kings men stockpiles. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 5:48:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I miss my free boolits. I used to get 100 rds a month. I used to buy ammo from my coworkers too.  Being retired cut me off.  Lol. I had an essentially unlimited supply of ammo. I miss it too...... |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:01:29 AM EDT
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Yes. Things are tough all over.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:03:51 AM EDT
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Yes, but we learned our lesson in '12-'13. We have a solid supply.
Our distributors aren't even taking orders right now. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:09:46 AM EDT
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Does it matter? They will all be defunded by June anyway.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:22:34 AM EDT
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How much ammo does a LE department go through?
The few (2) current LE I know say very few of their fellow LE members are shooters and many don't shoot, even with a monthly budget for them to get free ammo, other than for mandatory qualifications. And it's not like LE is putting rounds down range like Fallujah during normal operations to consume their stock. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:28:30 AM EDT
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Yes, according to my cop buddy in TX.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:28:47 AM EDT
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Yeah....
got quoted for ammo and sent them a quote... This was personal ammo that I had stashed mainly Hornady Personal Defense ammo. Delivered it to them and they said a check will be cut soon. I said I want payment NOW...... no payment...no ammo. The CLEO wrote a check and came out with the City finance officer who demanded various setups and also was stating they are giving me a favor because this is highly irregular. I said fine.... and I walked away..... Sold it to another PD south of town and they paid for it right then and there. Fuck SALEM Police department and their clown games. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:41:28 AM EDT
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Well instead of training with guns maybe they could train on how to arrest rioters, looters, arsonists And old fashioned thieves. Not to mention voter fraud and stolen elections.
Of course then we would have to train DAs how to indict, prosecute and incarcerate the people they arrest. Oh fuck it let’s go shooting. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:55:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most agencies have multiple year inventories of ammo. We buy at state bid prices from wholesalers. The only real impact for us was changing to 9 mm at a bad time. I'm betting there are more then a few agencies that wish they had stuck with their .40's right now. My kid bought cases of HP SD .40 a couple years ago for less then plain old hardball was going for because of the lack of demand. It was so cheap I almost went out and bought a .40 handgun just to take advantage of the cheap prices. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:55:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much ammo does a LE department go through? The few (2) current LE I know say very few of their fellow LE members are shooters and many don't shoot, even with a monthly budget for them to get free ammo, other than for mandatory qualifications. And it's not like LE is putting rounds down range like Fallujah during normal operations to consume their stock. Roughly three hundred pistol, six hundred rifle. Duty ammo rotated out annually and used for training. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:59:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somehow I doubt the kings men would have issues. You're wrong. Jay |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:59:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much ammo does a LE department go through? The few (2) current LE I know say very few of their fellow LE members are shooters and many don't shoot, even with a monthly budget for them to get free ammo, other than for mandatory qualifications. And it's not like LE is putting rounds down range like Fallujah during normal operations to consume their stock. Several hundred rounds per patrol officer per year at their two scheduled range dates. The swat guys are firing that much on a monthly if not weekly basis |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:15:38 AM EDT
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our pistol ammo is hornady, but our rifle ammo is Black Hills. back in the beginning of 2014 we had a long wait for rifle ammo. same picture this year but both
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:25:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I was not told who did it, I did learn that it was an inside job. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:41:40 AM EDT
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Have a deputy friend ask me for some ammo.
He should have been clear i gave him, yes gave him a box he said no i need like all i can get for the dept. I kept my box since he agreed 1 box wasn't really going to help them. They are not getting the amount of ammo they need or say they need from me. I have it it's just all reloads i have very little factory ammo. I've known this guy aong time and this is the 1st time anything like this was brought up. I suspect they are rather low on supplies. I watched the LGS get in 500 rnds of 9mm place a box with each pistol for sale and then sell the rest. I watched 4 boxes of fmj sell for 69.99 each right as i was checking out. THAT makes me wish i had factory ammo to sell . |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too. You guys with your socialist healthcare, retirement and ammo supply. (I dont really care). |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:18:17 AM EDT
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My guess is that we have trouble finding ammo because .gov and .mil are buying it up
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:24:08 AM EDT
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Yes
We were supposed to qualify right around now but don’t have enough ammo so they’ve pushed it off. The email we got said the ammo order is “significantly delayed” |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:30:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:31:43 AM EDT
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I still can't figure out where the ammo is going?
The excuse that people buying new guns are buying ammo seems weak. New gun buyers get a couple boxes. Not thousands. And where are all these "new guns" being bought coming from? I'm pretty sure ammo mfg runs faster than gun mfg. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:41:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still can't figure out where the ammo is going? The excuse that people buying new guns are buying ammo seems weak. New gun buyers get a couple boxes. Not thousands. And where are all these "new guns" being bought coming from? I'm pretty sure ammo mfg runs faster than gun mfg. People don't buy 500 guns at a time. They also go bang more then once before they are expended. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 8:50:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The winning post. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. They are given priority. The winning post. do you 2 have reading comprehension troubles or are you just being dickish? |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 9:04:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How much ammo does a LE department go through? The few (2) current LE I know say very few of their fellow LE members are shooters and many don't shoot, even with a monthly budget for them to get free ammo, other than for mandatory qualifications. And it's not like LE is putting rounds down range like Fallujah during normal operations to consume their stock. I get roughly 150 rds a year. Until this last year, all training ammo was on my budget, not theirs. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 9:07:14 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is that we have trouble finding ammo because .gov and .mil are buying it up  nope it's the civilian market. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 9:09:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still can't figure out where the ammo is going? The excuse that people buying new guns are buying ammo seems weak. New gun buyers get a couple boxes. Not thousands. And where are all these "new guns" being bought coming from? I'm pretty sure ammo mfg runs faster than gun mfg. Every gun person I know who thought keeping 100 to 200 rds around the house was good to go. Has now been trying to buy it by the case lot. It's not your local LEA that is paying $750 a case for M193.  |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 9:09:39 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: I really hope so. Nope, it's nice going to the front of the line. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 9:30:49 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: I really hope so. You hope so? You want people whose profession includes carrying a firearm in public to be untrained? 
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:08:32 AM EDT
[#38]
How often do LEA swap out their ammo?
Lately I’ve been buying loose Hornaday Critical Duty 135gn +p for .65 a round. I can only assume that some department is dumping some year or two old ammo. I don’t know where he gets it from but I’m buying all I can. I did find 1 shit round in the lot of 500, some are tarnished most are bright and shiny.   
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:20:11 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a training officer and a chief. Both said they have delayed training because of lack of ammo. I have more than some small department. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:43:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm betting there are more then a few agencies that wish they had stuck with their .40's right now. My kid bought cases of HP SD .40 a couple years ago for less then plain old hardball was going for because of the lack of demand. It was so cheap I almost went out and bought a .40 handgun just to take advantage of the cheap prices. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most agencies have multiple year inventories of ammo. We buy at state bid prices from wholesalers. The only real impact for us was changing to 9 mm at a bad time. I'm betting there are more then a few agencies that wish they had stuck with their .40's right now. My kid bought cases of HP SD .40 a couple years ago for less then plain old hardball was going for because of the lack of demand. It was so cheap I almost went out and bought a .40 handgun just to take advantage of the cheap prices. No doubt. PD trade in .40 gold dots were $250/K each delivered. I even found .45 for $280/K each delivered. It sold out pretty quickly, but not as quickly as I thought it would. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:49:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often do LEA swap out their ammo? Lately I’ve been buying loose Hornaday Critical Duty 135gn +p for .65 a round. I can only assume that some department is dumping some year or two old ammo. I don’t know where he gets it from but I’m buying all I can. I did find 1 shit round in the lot of 500, some are tarnished most are bright and shiny. https://i.imgur.com/uoxuK6z.jpg https://i.imgur.com/085Nki3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1Q8U6XI.jpg We shoot our duty ammo at the annual qual and issued new. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm betting there are more then a few agencies that wish they had stuck with their .40's right now. My kid bought cases of HP SD .40 a couple years ago for less then plain old hardball was going for because of the lack of demand. It was so cheap I almost went out and bought a .40 handgun just to take advantage of the cheap prices. That is why I will ALWAYS have some guns in .40 S&W. Got a cheap Hi Point carbine in one also. (Closet gun........well one of the closet guns. )Just checked ammoseek........cheapest is about 80 cents per round during this George Orwell era.  Thanks democrats and dumbass nevertrumpers. 
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:59:56 AM EDT
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I'd hardly call the police the "king's men". Government doesn't give a damn about the police, which I find hilarious given that police officers will still risk life, limb, and social ostracization to enforce they're unlawful and unconstitutional orders. Local governments step on the police all the time around here. I suspect that's the same everywhere, but then they turn around and demand police protection when danger comes calling. I have a hard time figuring out which dog I want in this fight. A lot of higher state level governments are corrupt and treat the police like garbage and pull their funding, which I hate, but then the police bend over backwards to obey those governors and legislators anyways while stepping on my neck to do it, which I also hate. I find the police less and less likable as time goes by, and that's a shame.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:05:59 AM EDT
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We stopped taking orders from police departments back in the summer due to scarcity.
We decided to continue refusing LE orders for the foreseeable future because we have far too much demand from retail customers, and, we're very reluctant to do business with the people who are STILL enforcing lockdown orders across the country. We've considering coming up with a 'contract' of sorts whereby they have to agree not to enforce lockdown orders in order to do business with us, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:17:05 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe start handloading. It would be a great job for that desk jockey on light duty. Reloading with what? Is not like there's fields of free range primers and brass just waiting to be harvested. Components are gone just like complete ammo. Plus like others have said, no department in their right mind would take on that legal mess. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:18:18 AM EDT
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I don't care...................
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:41:51 AM EDT
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Many police departments have closed their ranges due to covid19. So they used much less ammunition than normal.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:45:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe start handloading. It would be a great job for that desk jockey on light duty. In the early 90s jail inmates reloaded .38 special ammo for the Sheriffs Department range qualifications. They had a little shed right by the range. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 11:56:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reloading with what? Is not like there's fields of free range primers and brass just waiting to be harvested. Components are gone just like complete ammo. Plus like others have said, no department in their right mind would take on that legal mess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe start handloading. It would be a great job for that desk jockey on light duty. Reloading with what? Is not like there's fields of free range primers and brass just waiting to be harvested. Components are gone just like complete ammo. Plus like others have said, no department in their right mind would take on that legal mess. Exactly. Many of us purchased ammo or components since the early 90's and stayed ahead of the rushes. Maybe the departments should have stayed ahead of the game and put orders in. Looks like some LE have to yell "PEW PEW" as they point their service weapons at a target. Just pointing out that a lot of us peasants had the foresight to have a little nest egg for times like these. No sympathies from me. Again, BTW, I worked that side of the fence. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:04:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is that we have trouble finding ammo because .gov and .mil are buying it up Not really. The 'gov makes a lot of their own ammo Their contracts are multi-year and don't vary by much |
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