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Posted: 1/10/2021 6:58:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:07:55 PM EDT
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Tag for interest
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:08:49 PM EDT
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Disregard my post below. I misread OP's intent and objectives. I understand more fully now, and fully support this initiative. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the New Normal. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. That’s not what I took away from that. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:14:25 PM EDT
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tagscribe.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not what I took away from that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the New Normal. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. That’s not what I took away from that. Then I look forward to a more fulsome explanation from Ben about the defining differences between the two organizations. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the current operating environment. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. Is a JAG officer a JAG officer because he's "not good enough" for the line? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:17:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not what I took away from that. Nor did I.... Anyhoo, color me interested Ben! Actually, 6 miles no problem. We’ll see about under load next week when I add plates to my daily 5,5miles. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:17:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Everyone, Last year there was immense interest in APC from people who were not physically able to conduct hikes under load. Physical fitness test requirements for advancement also precluded even some people who could pass the hikes from advancing due to various medical issues. We have now grown enough as an organization that we are establishing an American Pioneer Corps Auxiliary. We are looking for people with administrative, public affairs, and technical skills to assist in supporting our day to day operations and training. Our basic rules for participation remain the same. We are looking for people nationwide, not only to assist with running the day to day operations of APC and our chapters, but to assist with running potential future regional APC training facilities. More to follow! |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is a JAG officer a JAG officer because he's "not good enough" for the line? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the current operating environment. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. Is a JAG officer a JAG officer because he's "not good enough" for the line? I'm merely imagining that this current situation isn't gonna be won by 11B/0311 types and their 500-yard zeroes in the lead while everyone else is merely tail supporting the teeth. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm merely imagining that this current situation isn't gonna be won by 11B/0311 types and their 500-yard zeroes in the lead while everyone else is merely tail supporting the teeth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the current operating environment. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. Is a JAG officer a JAG officer because he's "not good enough" for the line? I'm merely imagining that this current situation isn't gonna be won by 11B/0311 types and their 500-yard zeroes in the lead while everyone else is merely tail supporting the teeth. They meet up and go on foot marches. I mean, what is it you want them to do, stop going on foot marches? This seems like a chance to have others who can participate as well. They can meet up and, well, not go on foot marches. Not sure I'm tracking your obsession with being the "teeth," or how "toothy" someone can expect to be if their body won't even tolerate a short foot march any more [looks at self in mirror]. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the current operating environment. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. I don't think you'd find that attitude at all with APC chapters and participants. There are a number of reasons for the hikes- none of which are actually the elimination or limitation of participants. Many of the physical events are focused on preparing people to get their red cards as wildland fire fighters. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:38:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They meet up and go on foot marches. I mean, what is it you want them to do, stop going on foot marches? This seems like a chance to have others who can participate as well. They can meet up and, well, not go on foot marches. Not sure I'm tracking your obsession with being the "teeth," or how "toothy" someone can expect to be if their body won't even tolerate a short foot march any more [looks at self in mirror]. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 7:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then I look forward to a more fulsome explanation from Ben about the defining differences between the two organizations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I support APC, and I understand what 6 mile hikes can be used for (namely, how it reveals a person's commitment and fortitude under physical stress), but I'm not sure that 6 mile hikes are the measure of a person's usefulness in the New Normal. So I'm not entirely sure how shunting people who cannot hike 6 miles due to physical reasons into "you're not good enough, so go do KP duty" does anything for the nation. That’s not what I took away from that. Then I look forward to a more fulsome explanation from Ben about the defining differences between the two organizations. Check your PMs in about two minutes. Edited to add for the public: The APC Auxiliary is not meant to be "second rate". It is just different. They will still do rifle/pistol/shotgun quals, and have a much more minimal physical requirement. They'll still be included in virtually every facet of training and operations. In military terms, they're filling the combat support and combat service support roles. That may sound like KP, but I can assure you as a Marine I don't view CS/CSS elements as less important (if anything they are often more important) than the maneuver units. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm merely imagining that this current situation isn't gonna be won by 11B/0311 types and their 500-yard zeroes in the lead while everyone else is merely tail supporting the teeth. Well, APC is not a militia, and has no 11B types unless that was their MOS in the service, so... We use a military approach to developing leadership and planning capabilities. A byproduct of that is having to learn technical skills that can then be used in training scenarios that are tasked to the students, then planned and executed by the students. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:06:22 PM EDT
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Disregard my first post above.
I misread OP's intent and objectives. I understand more fully now, and fully support this initiative. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:18:24 PM EDT
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Any chapters in the Northeast? Sounds interesting...
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:21:47 PM EDT
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To second the explanation provided by Ben, Auxiliary is incredibly important. There is no exclusion occurring, it's actually a way for those of us unable to achieve the higher ratings established in APC to achieve alternate ratings as a denotation to other members of what skillsets we DO bring to the organization.
Anyone with military experience will tell you that nothing ruins a unit faster than a bad admin shop - but that's a soapbox example, lets return to productivity: The APC Auxiliary mirrors the Auxiliary for Federal Fire Fighters ("Auxiliary" is known by different names for different agencies). For example in the U.S. Forest Service, support personnel would not take the full Work Capacity Test to get their red card, a person supporting the auxiliary would only take the Moderate Field Test or Light Walk Test. There are still physical fitness requirements, they are just less strenuous for the people in the organization executing roles that are in themselves less strenuous. By standing up the APC Auxiliary, we are providing official potential within the organization for members who are higher mileage (due to age, medical, etc). |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:24:29 PM EDT
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Need a chapter or group in SW Pennsylvania
Lots of nice game lands with trails for the hikes |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:25:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:26:50 PM EDT
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Contact & fellowship are the prevalent issue...
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:35:10 PM EDT
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Very interested in this however I am in Minnesota so I don't know where to go or who to talk to...
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:41:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very interested in this however I am in Minnesota so I don't know where to go or who to talk to... For those of you interested in finding APC Chapters nearer to you, here is a resource that we are working on cleaning up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/APC-Chapter-Directory/69-647395/ We are also trying to collect email contacts for POCs in active chapters. If you do not find a Chapter near you, that does not necessary mean there isn't one. You can PM me and I may know or can give you the main APC emails to find out more.  |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:48:42 PM EDT
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Is there a CO chapter?
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:56:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 8:56:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a CO chapter? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 9:04:43 PM EDT
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I’d like to be on the list as both physically qualified and have tech skills.
However, I tried a qual Nike yesterday on a steep mountain slope in the snow and.... missed by a long ways That was a tough 6 miles. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 9:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check your PMs in about two minutes. Edited to add for the public: The APC Auxiliary is not meant to be "second rate". It is just different. They will still do rifle/pistol/shotgun quals, and have a much more minimal physical requirement. They'll still be included in virtually every facet of training and operations. In military terms, they're filling the combat support and combat service support roles. That may sound like KP, but I can assure you as a Marine I don't view CS/CSS elements as less important (if anything they are often more important) than the maneuver units. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 9:31:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:14:42 PM EDT
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I passed the pistol qual this year, and I can easily make a mile under 16min. This is perfect for me.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:19:00 PM EDT
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I thought the title said Artillery. Kinda disappointed.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:23:58 PM EDT
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I'm interested in hearing more.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:37:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the title said Artillery. Kinda disappointed. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 10:45:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In military terms, they're filling the combat support and combat service support roles. That may sound like KP, but I can assure you as a Marine I don't view CS/CSS elements as less important (if anything they are often more important) than the maneuver units. My knees hurt. I volunteer for KP. :) |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My knees hurt. I volunteer for KP. :) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In military terms, they're filling the combat support and combat service support roles. That may sound like KP, but I can assure you as a Marine I don't view CS/CSS elements as less important (if anything they are often more important) than the maneuver units. My knees hurt. I volunteer for KP. :) During Cola, the kitchen is probably the most important job. Simply being kitchen staff gets you privilege normally afforded to sponsors and past winners. It appears Marines think alike. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryWe do indeed. Info for the next ruck is here. We also have a Telegram chat. Colorado is a big state, so if Longmont is a drive for you, feel free to plan a hike. I can help anyone who wants to get started with tips, etc. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:27:31 PM EDT
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That is great news. I know several people that are very talented in their fields and have a lot to offer the organization. They aren't slackers, they simply aren't able to meet some of the physical requirements.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For those of you interested in finding APC Chapters nearer to you, here is a resource that we are working on cleaning up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/APC-Chapter-Directory/69-647395/ We are also trying to collect email contacts for POCs in active chapters. If you do not find a Chapter near you, that does not necessary mean there isn't one. You can PM me and I may know or can give you the main APC emails to find out more. Nothing in Ohio? |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:31:01 PM EDT
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This is very interesting to me, I checked you guys out, and the shit you do is the shit I do for fun! Good stuff. Very interested in participating at some point, depending obviously on how things go around us.
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:32:16 PM EDT
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Anything near Christiansburg VA?
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:36:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:19:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything near Christiansburg VA? We have folks in Lynchburg for sure, but not sure about Christiansburg off the top of my head. Let me check and I'll get back with you! |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:20:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing in Ohio? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For those of you interested in finding APC Chapters nearer to you, here is a resource that we are working on cleaning up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/APC-Chapter-Directory/69-647395/ We are also trying to collect email contacts for POCs in active chapters. If you do not find a Chapter near you, that does not necessary mean there isn't one. You can PM me and I may know or can give you the main APC emails to find out more. Nothing in Ohio? @DimaChado didn't you have some guys meeting in Ohio? |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:26:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @DimaChado didn't you have some guys meeting in Ohio? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For those of you interested in finding APC Chapters nearer to you, here is a resource that we are working on cleaning up: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/APC-Chapter-Directory/69-647395/ We are also trying to collect email contacts for POCs in active chapters. If you do not find a Chapter near you, that does not necessary mean there isn't one. You can PM me and I may know or can give you the main APC emails to find out more. Nothing in Ohio? @DimaChado didn't you have some guys meeting in Ohio? There's an OH APC/Battle Buddies thread here. Pop in, drop a line, and Fritz will coordinate to get you into the Signal group if need be. I'll grease the skids by texting him. @gsepper |
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Posted: 1/11/2021 12:30:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: During Cola, the kitchen is probably the most important job. Simply being kitchen staff gets you privilege normally afforded to sponsors and past winners. It appears Marines think alike. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In military terms, they're filling the combat support and combat service support roles. That may sound like KP, but I can assure you as a Marine I don't view CS/CSS elements as less important (if anything they are often more important) than the maneuver units. My knees hurt. I volunteer for KP. :) During Cola, the kitchen is probably the most important job. Simply being kitchen staff gets you privilege normally afforded to sponsors and past winners. It appears Marines think alike. I can cook big meals like nobody’s business. |
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Posted: 1/12/2021 4:33:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2021 4:37:37 PM EDT
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Might want to do a quick proof read.
Integration. |
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Posted: 1/12/2021 5:02:55 PM EDT
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have not heard of the APC till right now. Will see if there's a Utah chapter. Kinda hoping there's not yet cause a 6 mile hike under load would suck right now
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Posted: 1/12/2021 5:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: have not heard of the APC till right now. Will see if there's a Utah chapter. Kinda hoping there's not yet cause a 6 mile hike under load would suck right now There is. Have fun! @SCW |
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