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Posted: 8/4/2022 6:53:23 PM EDT
A jury in Austin, Texas, ordered Alex Jones to pay $4.1 million in compensatory damages to the parents who lost children in the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School who sued the InfoWars host for defamation.
Jurors must still decide how much in punitive damages is owed to Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, the parents of 6-year-old Jesse Lewis, who died in the attack, according to the Associated Press.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/courts/alex-jones-ordered-to-pay-4-1-million-to-sandy-hook-parents-in-defamation-case
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:53:54 PM EDT
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Free speech aint a thing.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:55:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By flkyle:
Free speech without consequence aint a thing.
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FIFU

Alex fucked up and it’s time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:55:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:56:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By flkyle:
Free speech aint a thing.
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In this case, I'll give those parents a pass.  I'm not certain what I'd do if those were my kids, and some nutjob was on TV/radio, telling people I was lying about my kids being murdered.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:56:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlatRangeOperator] [#5]
Actually smaller than I expected
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:57:49 PM EDT
[#6]
This Is What Happens WheN KARMa Strikes

Deal with it You Clown

Now. YOU. Know. Better.

LOOK_AT_ME

Link Posted: 8/4/2022 6:58:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Wonder how much people are going to sue people for over saying COVID wasn’t real.

Slippery slope
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:04:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
This Is What Happens WheN KARMa Strikes

Deal with it You Clown

Now. YOU. Know. Better.

LOOK_AT_ME

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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:06:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stre-tch:
Wonder how much people are going to sue people for over saying COVID wasn’t real.

Slippery slope
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IBTM...
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:07:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stre-tch:
Wonder how much people are going to sue people for over saying COVID wasn’t real.

Slippery slope
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Or that an election was stolen. Or anything else that the Left disagrees with, whether true or not.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:08:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Not nearly as bad as it could've been.

He should just mortgage whatever he has to and move on.

Kharn
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:09:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:

In this case, I'll give those parents a pass.  I'm not certain what I'd do if those were my kids, and some nutjob was on TV/radio, telling people I was lying about my kids being murdered.
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Originally Posted By flkyle:
Free speech aint a thing.

In this case, I'll give those parents a pass.  I'm not certain what I'd do if those were my kids, and some nutjob was on TV/radio, telling people I was lying about my kids being murdered.



I would think "this is the sacrifice made for freedom, I wont always like everything someone else does / says".
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:10:01 PM EDT
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Pretty much BS

Did Alex Jones ever make statements about the parents?

He questioned whether the incident happened and it still seems very odd.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:10:24 PM EDT
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After seeing how some here have been posting about him I bet they are having a meltdown that it is only $4 million. I was starting to think some of those members here were parents of sandy hook kids
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:10:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski:


IBTM...
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Just making a point that lots of people could be sued over that.

Sue whoopie for saying the things she did about the holocaust.

Anytime some one dies from something and people challenge how they died it opens them up now for being sued.

Doesn’t mean AJ isn’t a moron but it will have unintended consequences
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:11:16 PM EDT
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You mean he's gonna pay the attorneys that money
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:11:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:

FIFU

Alex fucked up and it's time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Originally Posted By flkyle:
Free speech without consequence aint a thing.

FIFU

Alex fucked up and it's time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..
If the consequence is just hurt feels, then... yeah.... and? No one was harmed physically, financially or otherwise for him spouting his nutball opinion. That's kinda the whole point of free speech.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:12:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
This Is What Happens WheN KARMa Strikes

Deal with it You Clown

Now. YOU. Know. Better.

LOOK_AT_ME

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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:12:34 PM EDT
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There was something funky going on in Sandy Hook though. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but weird activities ensued just after. People walking in and out near firehouse area. Powers that be tried to not let a tragedy go to waste? Bulldozing with really nothing more coming out information wise. Very strange deal. Area 51 Las Vegas shooting kinda thing. Alex Jones took it a bit too far I guess. I do know small towns up here can seem almost like a Stephen King book kinda strange. Something just seems a little off about the whole thing.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:15:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:

FIFU

Alex fucked up and it’s time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..
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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:15:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By millfire517:
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He will sue his attorneys for malpractice after their bumbling. The 4 million will barely pay the plaintiff's team.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:15:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kharn:
Not nearly as bad as it could've been.

He should just mortgage whatever he has to and move on.

Kharn
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That is just the compensatory damages amount, the judge is still mulling over the punitive damages. Punitive damages are where the crazy money usually comes in to play.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:16:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
This Is What Happens WheN KARMa Strikes

Deal with it You Clown

Now. YOU. Know. Better.

LOOK_AT_ME

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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:16:59 PM EDT
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What Is the Cap on Punitive Damages in Texas?
Back in the old days, whatever the jury decided was the dollar amount you deserved is what you got. In an effort to stop so-called "runaway juries" from hurting businesses, the Texas Legislature placed limits on what juries could award for punitive damages under most circumstances. A law called the Texas Damages Act capped punitive damages in the following way:

Punitive damages are limited to the value of two times the amount the jury wards for economic damages plus...
An amount equal to what the jury awards for non-economic damages (up $750,000).
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:17:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nvcdl:
Pretty much BS

Did Alex Jones ever make statements about the parents?

He questioned whether the incident happened and it still seems very odd.
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I've not seen any defamatory statements he made about the parents.  It was an attack on someone the establishment sees as a problem for speaking out.  I don't know why there are people who will claim to value freedom cheering this.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:18:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:

FIFU

Alex fucked up and it’s time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..
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Well lets hope Trump starts to sue the living shit out of CNN CBS NBC ABC MSNBC and the dinosaure print papers for the lies they put out.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:18:53 PM EDT
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Jones is the reactive armor of the freedom movement in America and although he is taking hits the crew compartment is intact.

Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:19:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
A jury in Austin, Texas, ordered Alex Jones to pay $4.1 million in compensatory damages to the parents who lost children in the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School who sued the InfoWars host for defamation.
Jurors must still decide how much in punitive damages is owed to Scarlett Lewis and Neil Heslin, the parents of 6-year-old Jesse Lewis, who died in the attack, according to the Associated Press.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/courts/alex-jones-ordered-to-pay-4-1-million-to-sandy-hook-parents-in-defamation-case
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This is interesting.  Alex f'd up big time.  But the facts were misconstrued and while the ruling may be technically correct, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how a $4.1mil judgement (with additional punitive damages to come) reconciles with Texas Tort limits.  

This isn't finished.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:19:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:20:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:

FIFU

Alex fucked up and it’s time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Originally Posted By flkyle:
Free speech without consequence aint a thing.

FIFU

Alex fucked up and it’s time to pay. No different than the assholes who ran Kyles name through the mud..


Except that isn't going to happen. The legal system is being used to wage war on conservatives and this stuff only goes one way.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:21:00 PM EDT
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They can't move past Jones until they are done with Jones and that mofo is taking more hits than a B-17 over Berlin but still flying.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:21:53 PM EDT
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This should be a win for Jones.  

Very cheap.

I personally don’t believe he should have to pay anything, but 4 mill seems cheap.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:21:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:

In this case, I'll give those parents a pass.  I'm not certain what I'd do if those were my kids, and some nutjob was on TV/radio, telling people I was lying about my kids being murdered.
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Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Originally Posted By flkyle:
Free speech aint a thing.

In this case, I'll give those parents a pass.  I'm not certain what I'd do if those were my kids, and some nutjob was on TV/radio, telling people I was lying about my kids being murdered.


4 million dollars is ridiculous though.

People get less then that for a death or serious injury.

Its a bullshit politically motivated verdict. Make it a reasonable amount, and I won't care too much.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:22:51 PM EDT
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Does he have 4 million left? He's been in a lot of expensive trouble lately.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:22:56 PM EDT
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if thats all he has to pay then its really chump change right?

im sure infowars has way way more penis pill money than that.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:24:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, well, fuck that guy.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:25:09 PM EDT
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The "credibility" of the weaponized lawfare system is massively damaged in railroading Jones, while all the young sprouts of the First Amendment grow in safety on the far side of him.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:25:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Yobro512:
if thats all he has to pay then its really chump change right?

im sure infowars has way way more penis pill money than that.
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Bankruptcy filing says he was clearing $800k/ week at one point.

Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:26:07 PM EDT
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So AJ has to pay 4 million dollars to say that he believes Sandy Hook happened?

That's like NASA opening lawsuits against people that don't believe humans walked on the moon.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:28:02 PM EDT
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Fascinating. I remember here in GD when the suit against the Westboro Baptists was thrown out many people were saying you can’t sue over hurt feelings. How times have changed.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:28:05 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:28:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kharn:
Not nearly as bad as it could've been.

He should just mortgage whatever he has to and move on.

Kharn
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Dude should have alot more than 4mil in his pocket
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:28:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:30:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TexanInOhio4:
So AJ has to pay 4 million dollars to say that he believes Sandy Hook happened?

That's like NASA opening lawsuits against people that don't believe humans walked on the moon.
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Public vs private figures. When you start alleging that parents are crisis actors and their kids aren't actually dead, I can see the case being made. In this case, it was made successfully. I can't say I feel bad for him either way, because he makes money by ripping off others with snake oil.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:30:15 PM EDT
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This thread already shows who is a free speech supporter vs who is a 1st amendment supporter. And yes there is a difference.

Either way, actions have consequences, even if you do not agree with it. People can sue whatever and whoever now a days.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:30:54 PM EDT
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Oberlin college got hit for $32m
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Completely different.

They attacked a business causing actual physical losses.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:30:57 PM EDT
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That will totally bring their kids back.

At least they don't have to use it to pay for college.

Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:31:04 PM EDT
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If they pulled $800k a day, honestly $4.1 million cost makes it a pretty sound play.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:31:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ohiogators:
This should be a win for Jones.  

Very cheap.

I personally don’t believe he should have to pay anything, but 4 mill seems cheap.
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Jones lives for the fight and he has no illusions that it will EVER stop until he buried.

But it costs them massive amounts of credibility among the fair minded middle to try to so outrageously take him down.

Who knows maybe a little bird of freedom motivated DeSantis to FIRE THAT SACK OF CRAP Soros state attorney in Florida this very same day.

Maybe just karma, maybe not.
Link Posted: 8/4/2022 7:32:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DriftingArmed:
After seeing how some here have been posting about him I bet they are having a meltdown that it is only $4 million. I was starting to think some of those members here were parents of sandy hook kids
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Or perhaps Parkland...
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