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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's say you own a business and I falsely accuse you of being a pedophile. As a result of this false accusation you go out of business.....would you be cool with that? I shouldn't be punished at all because according to you no crime was committed.l...right? Some of you don't seem to understand what happened here. These parents didn’t have lost income. Unless they were profiteering off their children’s death and AJ hurt their income. This was simply hurt feelings. No matter how terrible AJ is, or what he said, it should terrify everyone who believes in freedom that hurt feelers can now be monetized. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:33:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, now if we can start suing all the other conspiracy theorists spouting bullshit libel like labeling drag queen story hours members as groomers when they're merely trying to expand a child's cultural well-roundedness |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, now if we can start suing all the other conspiracy theorists spouting bullshit libel like labeling drag queen story hours members as groomers when they're merely trying to expand a child's cultural well-roundedness How about Adam Schifft? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:35:27 PM EDT
[#4]
If Rittenhouse gets $22 mil from The View because of their slander then the parents of Sandy Hook get $+40 mil for slander from Jones.
Will it be weaponized by the Left? Sure. But don’t we do it too? (Sandberg, Rittenhouse, Jewell and now Trump) |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:35:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't been following this whole Sandy Hook Alex Jones thing. What exactly is he accused of doing? As far as I understand, he merely expressed some very insensitive opinions. Having an opinion is one thing. Announcing to an audience that specific people are actors and faked the incident is something completely different. Think of it this way. Your neighbor gets on the radio and says "Some of my neighbors are probably pedophiles and I believe they kidnap and fuck little kids in the butt." Thats his opinion. Now suppose he gets on the radio and says "My neighbor Greenhorn is a pedophile and he fucks little kids in the butt." Its a blatant lie about a real person, right? But your reputation is ruined. You're fired. People harrass you in the street. When you go to get the mail there are always death threats. People call you at 3 AM, wake you up, and scream "FUCK YOU KIDDY FUCKER" and then hang up. See the difference? You can have an opinion. You can't lie about a specific person to the point that their life is ruined. Thats called "damages." |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our local tbi troll You should really worry about yourself. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:36:44 PM EDT
[#7]
People are just out of their fucking minds anymore. This obviously has nothing to do with "justice." A few million might be a reasonable judgement. 50 million is state sanctioned theft.
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:36:47 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Rittenhouse gets $22 mil from The View because of their slander then the parents of Sandy Hook get $+40 mil for slander from Jones. Will it be weaponized by the Left? Sure. But don’t we do it too? (Sandberg, Rittenhouse, Jewell and now Trump) How is calling Sandy Hook a hoax a "we" or "conservative" thing? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:36:58 PM EDT
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I haven't been following the case and I don't know what statements landed him in hot water, but he's not entirely wrong. There are legitimate questions about how Hogg had a full-blown media organization working with him before all of the brass had hit the floor, and about some of the "crisis actors" who appeared on camera as parents of multiple victims at multiple events.
I could only hope that this will be chewed up and spit out after about 30 seconds in front of an appellate court. This is the "judge" in this case, so I'm sure that examples of bias will be easy to find in the transcripts.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:37:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should really worry about yourself. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:39:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever notice how nobody outside of Reddit likes your shitty takes? What are my takes over on Reddit? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ouch. That seems like it's setting a bad precedent... This; sham trial and a ludicrous decision and anybody who doesn't see that, no matter your opinion on Jones, is very shortsighted. This sort of thing will come back to haunt us all. 
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:40:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good Say that when your neighbor gets your house because he was offended by your Gadsden flag (Now officially a right wing terrorist symbol according to the FBI). |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:41:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:[/b] Quote HistoryQuoted:[/b] He was accusing parents who's kids were murdered of being crisis actors. His moron audience was harassing them. This kind of behavior should be discouraged and losing large amounts of money is a good discouragement. Just like the MAGA hat kid got paid by CNN for slandering him. Would you rather have a world where, if you're rich and powerful enough, you can lie and destroy individuals who are powerless to fight back? 
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are my takes over on Reddit? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:41:59 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These parents didn’t have lost income. Unless they were profiteering off their children’s death and AJ hurt their income. This was simply hurt feelings. No matter how terrible AJ is, or what he said, it should terrify everyone who believes in freedom that hurt feelers can now be monetized. Let's say your kid was murdered. Some news outlet accused you of being an actor, that your kid never existed and the whole event was made up. You had people harassing you at your house and when you went out in public. Should you have a way of fighting back or because "muh 1st Amendment" that news outlet should be allowed to continue to make your life a living hell without any repercussions? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is calling Sandy Hook a hoax a "we" or "conservative" thing? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Rittenhouse gets $22 mil from The View because of their slander then the parents of Sandy Hook get $+40 mil for slander from Jones. Will it be weaponized by the Left? Sure. But don't we do it too? (Sandberg, Rittenhouse, Jewell and now Trump) How is calling Sandy Hook a hoax a "we" or "conservative" thing? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:42:33 PM EDT
[#19]
I'm offended by something Gates said. Give me all his money.
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:43:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Wait until all your assets are taken for thinking the wrong way. Same courts will be on board with that.
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:43:07 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of Soviet style justice is this shit now? Whatever he did, he certainly did not damage anyone to the tune of $45M. His attorneys need to be arguing that this is a politically motivated judgement designed to cause a chilling effect on free speech for anti-government citizens. Because that's exactly what it is. Like the Jan 6 "insurrectionists", it's about sending a message to everyone else. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:43:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't been following the case and I don't know what statements landed him in hot water, but he's not entirely wrong. There are legitimate questions about how Hogg had a full-blown media organization working with him before all of the brass had hit the floor, and about some of the "crisis actors" who appeared on camera as parents of multiple victims at multiple events. I could only hope that this will be chewed up and spit out after about 30 seconds in front of an appellate court. This is the "judge" in this case, so I'm sure that examples of bias will be easy to find in the transcripts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19198/jones_judge_jpg-2478486.JPG And? It doesn't change the fact that Alex Jones failed to show up to court, failed to provide evidence, failed to argue his point, and failed to mount any kind of defense. He had a perfect venue to argue that he was right and had a right to propose different views. Instead he didn't show up in the first place. And just yesterday he issued an apology, clearly and unequivocally stating that he made a mistake, what he did to the parents was wrong, and he's sorry. Now he can be $45 million sorry. Fuck him. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:43:46 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Having an opinion is one thing. Announcing to an audience that specific people are actors and faked the incident is something completely different. Think of it this way. Your neighbor gets on the radio and says "Some of my neighbors are probably pedophiles and I believe they kidnap and fuck little kids in the butt." Thats his opinion. Now suppose he gets on the radio and says "My neighbor Greenhorn is a pedophile and he fucks little kids in the butt." Its a blatant lie about a real person, right? But your reputation is ruined. You're fired. People harrass you in the street. When you go to get the mail there are always death threats. People call you at 3 AM, wake you up, and scream "FUCK YOU KIDDY FUCKER" and then hang up. See the difference? You can have an opinion. You can't lie about a specific person to the point that their life is ruined. Thats called "damages." OK, in that case, fuck Alex Jones. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:44:10 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting your kid shot certainly is very lucrative. It's not worth it. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:44:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This; sham trial and a ludicrous decision and anybody who doesn't see that, no matter your opinion on Jones, is very shortsighted. This sort of thing will come back to haunt us all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ouch. That seems like it's setting a bad precedent... This; sham trial and a ludicrous decision and anybody who doesn't see that, no matter your opinion on Jones, is very shortsighted. This sort of thing will come back to haunt us all. You can't call it a sham trial when he didn't even fucking show up in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hurt feelings are serious bidness... |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:45:38 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of Soviet style justice is this shit now? Whatever he did, he certainly did not damage anyone to the tune of $45M. His attorneys need to be arguing that this is a politically motivated judgement designed to cause a chilling effect on free speech for anti-government citizens. Because that's exactly what it is. The $45M is for punitive damages. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:45:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:45:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This; sham trial and a ludicrous decision and anybody who doesn't see that, no matter your opinion on Jones, is very shortsighted. This sort of thing will come back to haunt us all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ouch. That seems like it's setting a bad precedent... This; sham trial and a ludicrous decision and anybody who doesn't see that, no matter your opinion on Jones, is very shortsighted. This sort of thing will come back to haunt us all. At least it's just civil court. My understanding is that civil judgements/verdicts don't carry as much weight in other courts. Also, idk if this was federal or a state court. ETA: I believe tort reform, particularly for malpractice suits, is long overdue. I just don't trust our current legislatures to execute it fairly
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:45:50 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of Soviet style justice is this shit now? Whatever he did, he certainly did not damage anyone to the tune of $45M. His attorneys need to be arguing that this is a politically motivated judgement designed to cause a chilling effect on free speech for anti-government citizens. Because that's exactly what it is. Bingo! |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:46:10 PM EDT
[#31]
You can't slander the dead. So anything he may said about the kids is out. Calling someone an 'actor' has never been held to be defamatory. Saying something didn't happen isn't even directed at a person.
Calling Rittenhouse a racist murderer, is specific, and defamatory. These verdicts are 100% 'feelz'. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:48:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was accusing parents who's kids were murdered of being crisis actors. His moron audience was harassing them. This kind of behavior should be discouraged and losing large amounts of money is a good discouragement. Just like the MAGA hat kid got paid by CNN for slandering him. Would you rather have a world where, if you're rich and powerful enough, you can lie and destroy individuals who are powerless to fight back? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it's not. He's an idiot but this is a HORRIBLE outcome to anyone who has half a brain. It WILL be used against enemies of the state and there are always willing lackey's to bring suit against those their master wants to destroy. People who are cheering this don't have the foresight to see it will be used as a weapon and it won't be against the left. Jones is a miserable excuse of a human but it is still a bad ruling. Exactly who is allowed to call something a conspiracy anyways? He was accusing parents who's kids were murdered of being crisis actors. His moron audience was harassing them. This kind of behavior should be discouraged and losing large amounts of money is a good discouragement. Just like the MAGA hat kid got paid by CNN for slandering him. Would you rather have a world where, if you're rich and powerful enough, you can lie and destroy individuals who are powerless to fight back? Surely those people have (are being) sued for their actions, right?... ...instead if the guy with notoriety & money taking the hit |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:48:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of Soviet style justice is this shit now? Whatever he did, he certainly did not damage anyone to the tune of $45M. His attorneys need to be arguing that this is a politically motivated judgement designed to cause a chilling effect on free speech for anti-government citizens. Because that's exactly what it is. Its not. Its a chilling effect on anti-other-citizens citizens. Alex Jones was not used because he shit on the government. He was sued because he shit on private citizens and ruined their lives. If he had kept his attention focused on government conspiracy, he would have been good to go. But instead he singled out and targeted private people who were victims of a crime. Thats not free speech. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:49:24 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it was a hoax  ...
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:49:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol how did they come up with that number? Maybe 1/6th of his reported net worth. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:51:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it was a hoax I wonder if Arfcom will get sued if they continue to allow people to claim this. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:53:00 PM EDT
[#37]
I'll take "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" Alex.
If you don't follow the narrative your life will be destroyed. How soon before we go Kampuchean and have democratic socialist "keepers of the peace" rounding up retired Republican politicians and doing show trials? Oh wait. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:53:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These parents didn’t have lost income. Unless they were profiteering off their children’s death and AJ hurt their income. This was simply hurt feelings. No matter how terrible AJ is, or what he said, it should terrify everyone who believes in freedom that hurt feelers can now be monetized. So if someone AROCKs you, and you start getting death threats and being stalked you're ok with that? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:53:42 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These parents didn’t have lost income. Unless they were profiteering off their children’s death and AJ hurt their income. This was simply hurt feelings. No matter how terrible AJ is, or what he said, it should terrify everyone who believes in freedom that hurt feelers can now be monetized. Alex Jones profited off of lying about their kids |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And? It doesn't change the fact that Alex Jones failed to show up to court, failed to provide evidence, failed to argue his point, and failed to mount any kind of defense. He had a perfect venue to argue that he was right and had a right to propose different views. Instead he didn't show up in the first place. And just yesterday he issued an apology, clearly and unequivocally stating that he made a mistake, what he did to the parents was wrong, and he's sorry. Now he can be $45 million sorry. Fuck him. And then today he’s going after parents again. Complete loon. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:53:56 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't call it a sham trial when he didn't even fucking show up in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ouch. That seems like it's setting a bad precedent... This; sham trial and a ludicrous decision and anybody who doesn't see that, no matter your opinion on Jones, is very shortsighted. This sort of thing will come back to haunt us all. You can't call it a sham trial when he didn't even fucking show up in the first place. Yes you can. I haven't been following it closely but catching some the Viva Frei and Barnes video and a few others there were a lot of procedural oddities and things that should have been resolved first and gotten the trial moved. What's the point of showing up if you keep turning over requested materials and they keep tossing it and telling you that you haven't turned over the material you just tried to give them? Jones made mistakes (apparently a lot of them) but apparently had bad council. And yeah, even watching a few minutes of the trial you could tell the judge is nuts. I'm not a lawyer and never played one, just going on what various lawyers have said. Not a fan of Jones, but this whole thing was ridiculous. Some of y'alls hatred really clouds your vision.
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:53:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Free speech. Yes as long as you say what the government decides you can say. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:55:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't slander the dead. So anything he may said about the kids is out. Calling someone an 'actor' has never been held to be defamatory. Saying something didn't happen isn't even directed at a person. Calling Rittenhouse a racist murderer, is specific, and defamatory. These verdicts are 100% 'feelz'. That’s an extremely minimized version of what Jones did. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:55:52 PM EDT
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https://abovethelaw.com/2022/08/texas-damages-cap-looms-over-alex-jones-sandy-hook-defamation-case/?amp=1
discussion of punitive cap |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:56:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes as long as you say what the government decides you can say. .gov wasn’t suing Jones You know that, right? |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:57:38 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not. Its a chilling effect on anti-other-citizens citizens. Alex Jones was not used because he shit on the government. He was sued because he shit on private citizens and ruined their lives. If he had kept his attention focused on government conspiracy, he would have been good to go. But instead he singled out and targeted private people who were victims of a crime. Thats not free speech. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 6:57:46 PM EDT
[#47]
Holy shit that’s a lot of money.
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Posted: 8/5/2022 7:00:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Will they let him pay the fine in "super male vitality" or in "nano silver toothpaste"?
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Posted: 8/5/2022 7:00:43 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of Soviet style justice is this shit now? Whatever he did, he certainly did not damage anyone to the tune of $45M. His attorneys need to be arguing that this is a politically motivated judgement designed to cause a chilling effect on free speech for anti-government citizens. Because that's exactly what it is. Nobody said he did. A jury found that he caused 4.1 Million in actual damages. The jury then found that he deserved to pay an additional 45.2 Million for being such a cunt. The court may reduce the second number. But it can’t make Jones less of a cunt. |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 7:01:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And then today he's going after parents again. Complete loon. |
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