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Posted: 5/7/2020 6:25:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Inspired by the GD thread, "Guns you wished existed". Just for fun. What aircraft do you wish were out there that aren't. Could be for a personal airplane to own. Or, something you would like to be paid to fly. Whatever. I'll go first. Twin engine Bush plane. 4 or maybe 6 place. High wing. Exelent short field and off airport performance. Something like a scaled down BN Islander. I want to land places a Super Cub can land, after crossing a lot of water. Doesn't the Twin Otter fit that bill? Hypersonic long range "personal" jet. King Air or 30series Lear size passenger compartment. I split my time between Alaska and Thailand. I would want to fly myself there in 6 hours or less. I want a jet-powered seaplane- floats or boat hull, either one. Turbine helicopter that can fly more than 1.5 hours at at least 200 knots. |
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Posted: 5/7/2020 7:26:58 PM EDT
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$40k new cessna 172's
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Posted: 5/7/2020 9:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By underdogII: $40k new cessna 172's Bingo! |
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Posted: 5/7/2020 10:05:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2020 10:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $40k new cessna 172's Bingo! |
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Posted: 5/7/2020 10:33:57 PM EDT
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6 seat, twin, affordable home built
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Posted: 5/8/2020 1:05:41 AM EDT
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I just want an affordable, easily maintained, very simple, robust, jet engine. 3000-5000lbf.
Make something like that and economical, personal, high performance aircraft of all kinds could be made. I'd like it even more if it could handle a burner ring. |
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Posted: 5/8/2020 1:35:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2020 11:46:51 AM EDT
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A 2/3rds scale AN-2.
Build party like legislation for Homebuilts. New built piston T-34B/updated Yak/Saab primary trainer. |
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Posted: 5/8/2020 4:08:51 PM EDT
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New JetStars.
But I'd settle for a 400ish shp turboprop, single engine plane with real world baggage space, that can cruise around 250 kts, for real world affordable costs. Probably a kit plane, if such an engine existed that wouldn't be affordable for millionaires only. This is more of a pipe dream than my first one, so lets get the JetStar line back up and running. 
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Posted: 5/8/2020 10:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rbass: New JetStars. Why? What makes the JetStar special besides 4 inefficient engines ? |
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Posted: 5/9/2020 11:59:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Emu: Why? What makes the JetStar special besides 4 inefficient engines ? Kelly Johnson.  That was the smoothest, toughest, best handling airplane I’ve ever experienced. It could easily compete today with two newer tech engines. In fact it was redesigned that way at the end of its run, to kick the crap out of the then new challenger 600. Interesting backstory there. Regardless, it was a true pilots airplane in the best of ways, and you can tell being from Kelly’s Skunk Works it was amazing. Got to fly a few of them for a few years, was a privilege. The F900EZ I fly now is not even close to being as fun to fly and work with. Not even close! |
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Posted: 5/9/2020 2:03:08 PM EDT
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The JetStar cabin is amazing...really nothing was as good as it until you got into a few modern super midsizes.
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Posted: 5/10/2020 12:11:51 AM EDT
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Skunk Works projects are great flyers.
I wish Lockheed’s HTTB C-130 hadn’t crashed In the early 90s. That was a lot closer to what the J should have been. |
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Posted: 5/10/2020 11:42:08 AM EDT
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TRS2 or CF105 Arrow
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Posted: 5/10/2020 1:37:01 PM EDT
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A Cessna 185 that isn't outrageously priced and isn't in need of an overhaul (both engine and everything else).
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Posted: 5/10/2020 1:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RagingWhite: A Cessna 185 that isn't outrageously priced and isn't in need of an overhaul (both engine and everything else). Interestingly, you're not the only ARFCOM pilot I know looking for one. |
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Posted: 5/10/2020 2:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Screechjet1: Interestingly, you're not the only ARFCOM pilot I know looking for one. Ya I'm not seriously in the market for one, but would love one down the road. Talk about a truck with wings. A friend recently delivered a 1970 something 185 that sold for over 300k! It was pimped out though. |
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Posted: 5/10/2020 5:55:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RagingWhite: A Cessna 185 that isn't outrageously priced and isn't in need of an overhaul (both engine and everything else). No kidding. I'd be in the market for one of those too. A late 60's 182 with mid time engine seems to go for 60 to 100k. A similar 185 you'd be lucky to find for less than 200k. |
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Posted: 5/10/2020 5:59:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Inspired by the GD thread, "Guns you wished existed". Just for fun. What aircraft do you wish were out there that aren't. Could be for a personal airplane to own. Or, something you would like to be paid to fly. Whatever. I'll go first. Twin engine Bush plane. 4 or maybe 6 place. High wing. Exelent short field and off airport performance. Something like a scaled down BN Islander. I want to land places a Super Cub can land, after crossing a lot of water. Hypersonic long range "personal" jet. King Air or 30series Lear size passenger compartment. I split my time between Alaska and Thailand. I would want to fly myself there in 6 hours or less. How do you know they don’t? |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 3:24:30 AM EDT
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Starship made with modern composite best practices and more powerful engines, with ease of maintenance and cost of operation as major design considerations. I still think it is the most beautiful thing flying, and was too far ahead of its time.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 3:32:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou almost had it. 
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Posted: 5/12/2020 3:38:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger: https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/avengers-helicarrier-672x371.jpg Is it just me, or does the "Upper Deck" of that Shield Heli-Carrier go RIGHT above one of the huge air sucking lift fans? No touch & goes off THAT flight deck! |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 3:41:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/avengers-helicarrier-672x371.jpg Is it just me, or does the "Upper Deck" of that Shield Heli-Carrier go RIGHT above one of the huge air sucking lift fans? No touch & goes off THAT flight deck! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By Pneumagger: https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/avengers-helicarrier-672x371.jpg https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/avengers-helicarrier-672x371.jpg Is it just me, or does the "Upper Deck" of that Shield Heli-Carrier go RIGHT above one of the huge air sucking lift fans? No touch & goes off THAT flight deck! A bigger problem is the fact that trying to fly that amount of mass with those fans would be like trying to levitate a Steelcase desk using the CPU fans from your computer. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 9:27:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308: Starship made with modern composite best practices and more powerful engines, with ease of maintenance and cost of operation as major design considerations. I still think it is the most beautiful thing flying, and was too far ahead of its time. That was the Starship. All it did was take Beech further into composites (which helped to kill it) and certified ProLine3. The KA350 is so much more of an airplane. While pretty, composite business aircraft kill every manufacturer that tries. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 10:24:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frost7: You almost had it. https://external-preview.redd.it/ga9ZE8d2gJ4P209yltnTEDE27EQ6sNVV-hP655bVBWw.jpg?auto=webp&s=5c98dc2702d5177100f323350c17535229cb95fa LOL troof |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 10:46:57 AM EDT
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Modern-day OV-10 Bronco, with all the same general characteristics and layout carried over, but entirely new engines, avionics, etc.
And yes I know there were a handful flying fairly recently. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 11:24:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Modern-day OV-10 Bronco, with all the same general characteristics and layout carried over, but entirely new engines, avionics, etc. And yes I know there were a handful flying fairly recently. Another favorite of mine. Still in use by the PAF, although they're going to be moving to Super Tucanos in the near future. I still wonder what happened to the OV-10G+ Combat Dragon II testbeds. They did great work, then they get rid of them? Doesn't seem right. Too bad Boeing killed the OV-10X program.  To cheer us up, here is a PAF Bronco sending the Maute Group a half ton of Mk82 love back during the siege of Marawi in 2017:  |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 11:42:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Modern-day OV-10 Bronco, with all the same general characteristics and layout carried over, but entirely new engines, avionics, etc. And yes I know there were a handful flying fairly recently. I’m totally down with this. The OV-10 would be the perfect plane for me and the wife, cool, fast, tons of baggage space, would be awesome! |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 11:54:24 AM EDT
[#30]
 F28 Stealth Cat |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 11:58:51 AM EDT
[#31]
Oh, as far as the civilian OV-10s? Here are some: ov10squadron.com
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Posted: 5/12/2020 1:12:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308: Starship made with modern composite best practices and more powerful engines, with ease of maintenance and cost of operation as major design considerations. I still think it is the most beautiful thing flying, and was too far ahead of its time. It’s been done.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti 
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Posted: 5/12/2020 1:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne: It’s been done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Piaggio_P-180_Avanti_Rennes_2010_%28cropped%29.jpg Yeah, I know it has great performance, and is very luxurious. All in all, a great aircraft, save for one thing: It is butt-ugly, and I am a HUGE fan of canard aircraft.
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Posted: 5/12/2020 2:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308: Yeah, I know it has great performance, and is very luxurious. All in all, a great aircraft, save for one thing: It is butt-ugly, and I am a HUGE fan of canard aircraft. It’s put a lot of A&P’s kids through college around here. Worse hangar queens than the Hawker 4k! |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 2:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Senoj: It’s put a lot of A&P’s kids through college around here. Worse hangar queens than the Hawker 4k! Then I guess it HASN'T "already been done", as I put ease of maintenance as one of the design considerations. 
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Posted: 5/12/2020 2:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Senoj: It’s put a lot of A&P’s kids through college around here. Worse hangar queens than the Hawker 4k! The RA-4000 needs the Block Point Upgrade and access to Beechcraft ICT's 4000 experts. Lots of owners didn't want to spring for it knowing it was an orphan airframe, and paid their mechanics for it. That said, the 4000 is an amazing aircraft. |
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Posted: 5/12/2020 2:23:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/19/2020 6:04:01 PM EDT
[#38]
More affordable single engine turboprops.
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:36:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Something along the lines of a MINI-Coin but able to pull +6/-3 g with a bigger engine (maybe a 200hp.)
Two hard points (fuel, baggage, and ordinance.) Diffuser exhaust stacks. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 12:34:24 PM EDT
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P-61 with Turbofans.
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Posted: 5/22/2020 1:34:37 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The RA-4000 needs the Block Point Upgrade and access to Beechcraft ICT's 4000 experts. Lots of owners didn't want to spring for it knowing it was an orphan airframe, and paid their mechanics for it. That said, the 4000 is an amazing aircraft. It, or rather parts of it, lives on in the Longitude. The folks at the ICT factory were calling that the Hawkitude last time I was there. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 2:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySEX 
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Posted: 5/22/2020 2:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: P-61 with Turbofans. Turboprops, maybe. Give it the Basler wing profile treatment while we're at it, like they did with their turboprop gooney bird. I saw this one frequently in Afghanistan. Owned by the US Department of State: 
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Posted: 5/22/2020 2:37:26 PM EDT
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FMA IA 58 Pucará
Has this been posted here yet? Because it seems to be in good company here. However, I still personally much prefer a neo OV-10. The twin-boom and high-wing layout lends itself much better to multiple roles. It's funny how a light COIN aircraft keeps appearing useful, decade after decade, and the services (primarily AF) can't ever bring themselves to support such a thing? 
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Posted: 5/22/2020 2:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $40k new cessna 172's This, and C-182’s for $65,000. There really isn't any reason this couldn't be accomplished. I posted a while back asking about a 4 seat Aerobatic aircraft. Something like a Maule or 172, but where I could relive the fun of aviation once in a while. Don’t need inverted fuel/oil. Just good for 6g’s. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 3:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FMA IA 58 Pucará Has this been posted here yet? Because it seems to be in good company here. However, I still personally much prefer a neo OV-10. The twin-boom and high-wing layout lends itself much better to multiple roles. It's funny how a light COIN aircraft keeps appearing useful, decade after decade, and the services (primarily AF) can't ever bring themselves to support such a thing? I was just thinking while writing my post above about how Basler would go about making a new "OV-10*". Most of the legwork had already been done by Marsh Aviation before they thought it would be a good idea to sell to Venezuela. |
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Posted: 5/31/2020 4:27:54 AM EDT
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Affordable, aerobatic, 2 seat P-51 replica.
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Posted: 6/4/2020 9:37:45 PM EDT
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A two seat Cirrus SF50 with fore/aft or side/side seating, ejection seats and +6/-3 stress.
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Posted: 6/5/2020 12:13:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Affordable, aerobatic, 2 seat P-51 replica. 70% scale OK? https://www.scalewings.com/sw-51-mustang/?lang=en |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 5:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s put a lot of A&P’s kids through college around here. Worse hangar queens than the Hawker 4k! lolz that thing is a turd... i worked at the hawker service center in Wichita...silly screens that werent touch screen... super low squatting to the ground so working underneath it was a booty pain... |
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