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Posted: 6/6/2021 10:56:49 AM EDT
Interesting Article from THE WAR ZONE

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

We may not know the identities of all the mysterious craft that American military personnel and others have been seeing in the skies as of late, but I have seen more than enough to tell you that it is clear that a very terrestrial adversary is toying with us in our own backyard using relatively simple technologies—drones and balloons—and making off with what could be the biggest intelligence haul of a generation. While that may disappoint some who hope the origins of all these events are far more exotic in nature, the strategic implications of these bold operations, which have been happening for years, undeterred, are absolutely massive.

Our team here at The War Zone has spent the last two years indirectly laying out a case for the hypothesis that many of the events involving supposed UFOs, or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), as they are now often called, over the last decade are actually the manifestation of foreign adversaries harnessing advances in lower-end unmanned aerial vehicle technology, and even simpler platforms, to gather intelligence of extreme fidelity on some of America's most sensitive warfighting capabilities. Now, considering all the news on this topic in recent weeks, including our own major story on a series of bizarre incidents involving U.S. Navy destroyers and 'UAP' off the Southern California coast in 2019, it's time to not only sum up our case, but to discuss the broader implications of these revelations, what needs to be done about them, and the Pentagon's fledgling 'UAP Task Force' as a whole.
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Link Posted: 6/6/2021 11:50:47 AM EDT
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They're not "advesary".

US weapons tests.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 12:01:47 PM EDT
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So the 2004 Tic tac encounter. What Intel was that aircraft gathering? The speed of our F18?
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 12:30:00 PM EDT
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Yeah, bullshit.

The UFO subject always brings out the experts who can tell you exactly what it is based on half-ass video quality while ignoring the rest of the evidence, namely radar data and eyewitness testimony.

There's a professional debunker on Twitter who acts like an expert on everything and keeps saying the pilots must be mistaken about what they saw.  He got bitch slapped by a veteran fighter pilot in a video that completely debunked his debunking.

Simple fact is, we don't know what it is.  It has been happening for a very long time but people try to explain the FLIR videos like they exist in a vacuum separate from decades of reports from pilots and other credible witnesses.

Everybody wants so hard for it to be easily explained so they can go back to believing there's nothing strange in the world.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 12:32:35 PM EDT
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Simple solution to find out

Shoot them down
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 1:37:21 PM EDT
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I have no doubt some of the things seen have been terrestrial in origin but not all.  Good luck labeling the Tic Tac a terrestrial drone.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 1:45:55 PM EDT
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Yeah, bullshit.

The UFO subject always brings out the experts who can tell you exactly what it is based on half-ass video quality while ignoring the rest of the evidence, namely radar data and eyewitness testimony.

There's a professional debunker on Twitter who acts like an expert on everything and keeps saying the pilots must be mistaken about what they saw.  He got bitch slapped by a veteran fighter pilot in a video that completely debunked his debunking.

Simple fact is, we don't know what it is.  It has been happening for a very long time but people try to explain the FLIR videos like they exist in a vacuum separate from decades of reports from pilots and other credible witnesses.

Everybody wants so hard for it to be easily explained so they can go back to believing there's nothing strange in the world.
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I believe a very small number of people do know what these things are, including some well known names, but us peons, who those people actually work for and supposedly answer to, may never know.  

As far as the OP, I'm sure some of the incidents being reported will fall into the terrestrial adversary category.  The key is the five observables.  If a flying object doesn't demonstrate one or more of those, there's probably a good chance it is man-made, even if it defies what the public knows about aircraft capabilities.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 2:34:59 PM EDT
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So the 2004 Tic tac encounter. What Intel was that aircraft gathering? The speed of our F18?
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So the 2004 Tic tac encounter. What Intel was that aircraft gathering? The speed of our F18?


According to the article:

Those warning areas—airspace that can be set aside for military training—are where America's most advanced sensors blare their powerful radio-frequency communications and sensor systems day in and day out. F-22s, F-35s, F/A-18E/Fs, F-15Es, E-2Ds, and much more, fill those training areas daily. Below them, Aegis Combat System-equipped cruisers and destroyers, and America's supercarriers and amphibious assault ships, push their radar and networking systems to the limit to keep their skills sharp and to train for upcoming deployments. We are talking about the most advanced air defense sensor and networking technology on planet earth all operating in one region (the counterpart being off the coast of Southern California) as reliably as the office hours at your local bank.

And they are doing so while at home, in areas where, unless intelligence warns them of spy ship activity nearby, their systems are largely being used to their maximum potential. All that potential intelligence zapping through the air, operating as if it is far from prying eyes. Simply put, it is the biggest electronic intelligence target on earth and the lowly drone and balloon, paired with America's strange aversion to taking unusual things in the sky seriously, have provided the perfect medium for which to gobble it up with little to no chance of major repercussions.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 3:04:08 PM EDT
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They're not "advesary".

US weapons tests.
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Possibly..  However, it would seem a serious breach of safety protocols to conduct weapons tests w/o notification to other elements operating within the same training/testing space.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 3:06:13 PM EDT
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Simple solution to find out

Shoot them down
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I concur.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 6:07:14 PM EDT
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Yeah, bullshit.

The UFO subject always brings out the experts who can tell you exactly what it is based on half-ass video quality while ignoring the rest of the evidence, namely radar data and eyewitness testimony.

There's a professional debunker on Twitter who acts like an expert on everything and keeps saying the pilots must be mistaken about what they saw.  He got bitch slapped by a veteran fighter pilot in a video that completely debunked his debunking.

Simple fact is, we don't know what it is.  It has been happening for a very long time but people try to explain the FLIR videos like they exist in a vacuum separate from decades of reports from pilots and other credible witnesses.

Everybody wants so hard for it to be easily explained so they can go back to believing there's nothing strange in the world.
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Agree with this.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 6:12:49 PM EDT
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Shoot them down
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And the fact they have not been shot down, curious.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 6:17:35 PM EDT
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And the fact they have not been shot down, curious.
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Shoot them down

And the fact they have not been shot down, curious.

They're seen in some capacity by militaries all over the world, too.

Someone would have taken a shot at one by now unless there's some global agreement not to engage or we just haven't heard about it.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 7:48:20 PM EDT
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They're seen in some capacity by militaries all over the world, too.

Someone would have taken a shot at one by now unless there's some global agreement not to engage or we just haven't heard about it.
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Supposedly the Russians have taken a shot at a UFO.  It did not go well for them.
Link Posted: 6/6/2021 8:17:47 PM EDT
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Is our military so incompetent as to let foreign powers spy on them like that?
Link Posted: 6/7/2021 9:42:12 AM EDT
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What’s more interesting is how the Drive suddenly changed their take on these UAPs/UFOs in the last 2-3 months
Makes me wonder if they were told to back off, or if their site ownership told them to stop, they will not become a UFO site like Above Top Secret
Link Posted: 6/7/2021 10:07:47 AM EDT
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Be like those natives in SA I think that were shooting arrows into some low flying Cessna
Hope they’re benevolent  (the tic tac drivers).  Just imagine if the next craft they send is their equivalent of an AC-130, after getting a couple sidewinders fired at them

But they can be damaged according to history
It’s would seem they are susceptible to high voltage or plasma from some of the alleged crashes in the late 1940s in NM
And can possibly be damaged by weapons like high velocity rockets as per the Flatwoods WV incident - where interceptors from the Washington DC area did fire on these Unidentified craft, possibly hitting one and then it eventually crash landed on a hilltop at a Flatwoods WV
Link Posted: 6/7/2021 10:16:51 AM EDT
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Former DNI, John Ratcliffe, was on Fox News last night saying there are over 100 recorded incidents with UAP's picked up by multiple sensors and says they aren't Russia or China.  

He dodged the ET connection and said he only looks at it from an angle of national security.  Space Force starting to make a lot of sense...

A lot of high level people are voicing their concerns but the debunkers still think they're birds, balloons, or optical artifacts.  
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