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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:33:28 PM EDT
[#1]
I love that Abbot had the guts to do this.
Every day, I become more and more my inner Texan. 
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:36:04 PM EDT
[#2]
What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order?
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:03:46 PM EDT
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I like Governor Abbott and plan to vote for him again but I think
he really hurt himself politically with his no mask mandate and no vaccination mandate. Originally he said masks should be a local issue not something decided in Austin. He should have stayed with that decision. Now you have local school boards openly defying the Governor's mask mandate and there is nothing he can do about it. The no vaccination mandate may make some people vote for him but it too is not enforceable on his part. I think vaccination mandates are wrong, but I do think if Dallas ISD wants to require masks that's something for the local school board and parents to decide and not the Governor in Austin. For the record, the only time I have worn a mask recently is at the airport where I had no choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: I love that Abbot had the guts to do this. Every day, I become more and more my inner Texan. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? My company is based in MD and it was stated in an audio cast on Tuesday that, in a nutshell, the Texas Governor can pound sand and the company will make their employees follow the FJB mandate for DoD contractors. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:36:39 PM EDT
[#5]
GE backed off in Texas for what it's worth.
If he can put the brakes on them, then his order is pretty substantial. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:42:19 PM EDT
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My company is headquartered in Texas, but owned by another company that is headquartered in another state. Last week they told us that since we have Federal contracts, all staff must be vaccinated or have approved medical/religious exemptions. They stated that the President's executive order supersedes any state executive order.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:49:47 PM EDT
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The United States federal government doesn't own me, nor does Governor Abbott.
Being a Texan though, when Abbott basically announced, "F@rk masks, and whatever them Yankee bastards mandate for Texas," I thought, yeah, he gets it. FUCK JOE BIDEN. ... and whoever pulls his puppet-strings. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:57:38 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? It doesn't matter where their HQ is. If they have employees in Texas, they can't mandate the shots for those employees. The Presidential EO does not carry the force of law so yes, Abbott's authority does supersede that of an edict from FJB. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like Governor Abbott and plan to vote for him again but I think he really hurt himself politically with his no mask mandate and no vaccination mandate. Originally he said masks should be a local issue not something decided in Austin. He should have stayed with that decision. Now you have local school boards openly defying the Governor's mask mandate and there is nothing he can do about it. The no vaccination mandate may make some people vote for him but it too is not enforceable on his part. I think vaccination mandates are wrong, but I do think if Dallas ISD wants to require masks that's something for the local school board and parents to decide and not the Governor in Austin. For the record, the only time I have worn a mask recently is at the airport where I had no choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: I like Governor Abbott and plan to vote for him again but I think he really hurt himself politically with his no mask mandate and no vaccination mandate. Originally he said masks should be a local issue not something decided in Austin. He should have stayed with that decision. Now you have local school boards openly defying the Governor's mask mandate and there is nothing he can do about it. The no vaccination mandate may make some people vote for him but it too is not enforceable on his part. I think vaccination mandates are wrong, but I do think if Dallas ISD wants to require masks that's something for the local school board and parents to decide and not the Governor in Austin. For the record, the only time I have worn a mask recently is at the airport where I had no choice. Quoted: I love that Abbot had the guts to do this. Every day, I become more and more my inner Texan. Hogwash. Abbott should never have closed down the state to begin with. He's trying to make amends with this and he will be rewarded handsomely because of it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:00:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My company is based in MD and it was stated in an audio cast on Tuesday that, in a nutshell, the Texas Governor can pound sand and the company will make their employees follow the FJB mandate for DoD contractors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? My company is based in MD and it was stated in an audio cast on Tuesday that, in a nutshell, the Texas Governor can pound sand and the company will make their employees follow the FJB mandate for DoD contractors. If your company has employees in Texas, they will be taken to court by the Texas AG and the AG will win. EO's do not have the force of law. Abbott's order does. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My company is headquartered in Texas, but owned by another company that is headquartered in another state. Last week they told us that since we have Federal contracts, all staff must be vaccinated or have approved medical/religious exemptions. They stated that the President's executive order supersedes any state executive order. No, it does not. FJB's EO does not carry the force of law. Abbott's order does. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:10:01 PM EDT
[#12]
Please oh please, may Texas grow the largest set of cajones ever.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:14:12 PM EDT
[#13]
My business unit has not updated their previous policy of "vaccination is not now and will not be in the future a condition of employment".
They have also said asking about vaccination status or harassing any co-worker because of vaccination status is verboten. The parent company has over 5,000 global employees with a couple thousand in Houston, and I'm certain some business units have .gov contracts. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:16:46 PM EDT
[#14]
I work in Texas for a company headquartered in New York. Vaccine mandates went out a couple of weeks ago and nothing has been mentioned about us being exempt. I have not asked the question though.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:24:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like Governor Abbott and plan to vote for him again but I think he really hurt himself politically with his no mask mandate and no vaccination mandate. Originally he said masks should be a local issue not something decided in Austin. He should have stayed with that decision. Now you have local school boards openly defying the Governor's mask mandate and there is nothing he can do about it. The no vaccination mandate may make some people vote for him but it too is not enforceable on his part. I think vaccination mandates are wrong, but I do think if Dallas ISD wants to require masks that's something for the local school board and parents to decide and not the Governor in Austin. For the record, the only time I have worn a mask recently is at the airport where I had no choice. Man, sorry your girl lost... shesh... |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:11:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, sorry your girl lost... shesh... I voted for President Trump and Governor Abbott. Who are you calling a girl? |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. States rights. The Constitution does not grant the feds the right to madate the Vax, so it is left to the states. It doesn't matter what FJB says. Get an attorney and file suit. You will win. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:19:38 PM EDT
[#19]
Texas should just suspend those companies permits and/or licenses to operate in Texas.
A gamble but perhaps an effective one. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:19:39 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. The policy doesn't apply in Texas. They don't have the option to say otherwise regardless of what FJB's EO says. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:20:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas should just suspend those companies permits and/or licenses to operate in Texas. A gamble but perhaps an effective one. That could be done as well. Texas is generally considered pro-business though so that will be a tough one. Seems to me that making an example of a few will bring the rest in line. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:34:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: States rights. The Constitution does not grant the feds the right to madate the Vax, so it is left to the states. It doesn't matter what FJB says. Get an attorney and file suit. You will win. That may be true, but it won't be the Federal Government putting you on unpaid leave. It will be your employer who does have a right to set conditions of employment for non-union employees working without a contract. You really think you can win that case in court when the employer is following guidance from the CDC? I'm not a lawyer, but it appears to me that the only ones able to challenge these mandates in court are the companies affected and maybe the States. I think most senior management of large public companies think vaccinating everyone is the only way to go back to a normal working environment. They are happy the Government issued the mandate so they can deflect blame from themselves. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:48:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Texas should just suspend those companies permits and/or licenses to operate in Texas. A gamble but perhaps an effective one. Which would immediately get challenged in Court and Texas would lose. Governor Abbott can't even enforce his mask mandate on local school districts in Texas. You think he can successfully take on a large global Fortune 20 company that is following Executive Orders from the President and the advice of the WHO, CDC, FDA, etc? ATT is headquartered in Dallas and they issued a vaccination mandate for all their US based Union and Management employees. If Governor Abbott wants to challenge this he should try suspending ATT's licenses to operate in Texas. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That may be true, but it won't be the Federal Government putting you on unpaid leave. It will be your employer who does have a right to set conditions of employment for non-union employees working without a contract. You really think you can win that case in court when the employer is following guidance from the CDC? I'm not a lawyer, but it appears to me that the only ones able to challenge these mandates in court are the companies affected and maybe the States. I think most senior management of large public companies think vaccinating everyone is the only way to go back to a normal working environment. They are happy the Government issued the mandate so they can deflect blame from themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: States rights. The Constitution does not grant the feds the right to madate the Vax, so it is left to the states. It doesn't matter what FJB says. Get an attorney and file suit. You will win. That may be true, but it won't be the Federal Government putting you on unpaid leave. It will be your employer who does have a right to set conditions of employment for non-union employees working without a contract. You really think you can win that case in court when the employer is following guidance from the CDC? I'm not a lawyer, but it appears to me that the only ones able to challenge these mandates in court are the companies affected and maybe the States. I think most senior management of large public companies think vaccinating everyone is the only way to go back to a normal working environment. They are happy the Government issued the mandate so they can deflect blame from themselves. Employers will get hit with court suits and some will go bankrupt because of the judgements against them. The Feral Government mandates will have no impact at all on employees winning judgements against employers. It occurs to me that even though Pfizer/Moderna/J&J and the providers using their shots are shielded from liability due to a defective product, regular companies doing something stupid are not. Wouldn't it be interesting if Pfizer got their ass handed to them by their own employees? Poetic justice. So much for that liability shield, eh? |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which would immediately get challenged in Court and Texas would lose. Governor Abbott can't even enforce his mask mandate on local school districts in Texas. You think he can successfully take on a large global Fortune 20 company that is following Executive Orders from the President and the advice of the WHO, CDC, FDA, etc? ATT is headquartered in Dallas and they issued a vaccination mandate for all their US based Union and Management employees. If Governor Abbott wants to challenge this he should try suspending ATT's licenses to operate in Texas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Texas should just suspend those companies permits and/or licenses to operate in Texas. A gamble but perhaps an effective one. Which would immediately get challenged in Court and Texas would lose. Governor Abbott can't even enforce his mask mandate on local school districts in Texas. You think he can successfully take on a large global Fortune 20 company that is following Executive Orders from the President and the advice of the WHO, CDC, FDA, etc? ATT is headquartered in Dallas and they issued a vaccination mandate for all their US based Union and Management employees. If Governor Abbott wants to challenge this he should try suspending ATT's licenses to operate in Texas. No, Texas would win in summary judgement. Business licenses are granted by the state in which they are located, not the Feral Government. The advice the company is listening to has no bearing on any of that. Further, Brandon's EO does not have the force of law, Abbott's does because the Texas legislature gave him that power. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 9:55:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, Texas would win in summary judgement. Business licenses are granted by the state in which they are located, not the Feral Government. The advice the company is listening to has no bearing on any of that. Further, Brandon's EO does not have the force of law, Abbott's does because the Texas legislature gave him that power. Great! Problem solved. Looking forward to a big win by Governor Abbott and putting Brandon and the rest of the Feds in their place. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:22:05 PM EDT
[#27]
Yes, used it in my exemption and was approved.
3rd special session is over so SB51 is dead. He will need to call a 4th session to get it into law. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:31:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love that Abbot had the guts to do this. Every day, I become more and more my inner Texan. Remember that he was the one that shut down the state and only moved to the "local decisions" position when conservatives shamed him into it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, used it in my exemption and was approved. 3rd special session is over so SB51 is dead. He will need to call a 4th session to get it into law. Used what in your exemption? Abbots order? |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:41:31 PM EDT
[#30]
I’ve said it many time, please bulldoze the way forward Texas.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:44:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Used what in your exemption? Abbots order? Yes. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:54:06 PM EDT
[#32]
My company has specifically stated they won't be following the TX EO and cited the federal EO guidance. It sucks but that's life suckling on the fedgov teat.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:17:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. That’s interesting. What did you write? |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:24:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? If the Judge has ever heard of the 10th amendment he should. Where the fuck in the constitution is the power for the President to force a medical procedure on the populace outlined? Sorry, I realize you're simply stating reality but what the fuck. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:25:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s interesting. What did you write? Mostly paraphrased the EO in my words and cited I'm requesting the accommodation based on conscience. Then quoted the EO and at the time I submitted it SB 51 was moving pretty good in the Senate and put that in there. Was asked what my last vaccine was. Answered truthfully that it was the hep b,c and that it was like 20 years ago and I have not had a vaccine since. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 12:13:22 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love that Abbot had the guts to do this. Every day, I become more and more my inner Texan. He ain't ending his disaster declaration. It's all noise from him. In fact he renewed it July 2021. https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-renews-covid-19-disaster-declaration-in-july-2021 |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 12:27:36 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My company has specifically stated they won't be following the TX EO and cited the federal EO guidance. It sucks but that's life suckling on the fedgov teat. Go with Civil Rights Act Title VII exemption. They really don’t have a right by law to deny your exemption unless they can prove it’s an undue hardship, and they can’t make other accommodations for you. It’s not a request for exemption, so much as a declaration and invoking your civil rights. That’s what they don’t want you to know. If there’s a reasonable accommodation you can think of that removes undue hardship on the company, whether that be change of work venue, weekly testing, etc, then they can’t “really” legally deny it. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 12:27:49 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which would immediately get challenged in Court and Texas would lose. Governor Abbott can't even enforce his mask mandate on local school districts in Texas. You think he can successfully take on a large global Fortune 20 company that is following Executive Orders from the President and the advice of the WHO, CDC, FDA, etc? ATT is headquartered in Dallas and they issued a vaccination mandate for all their US based Union and Management employees. If Governor Abbott wants to challenge this he should try suspending ATT's licenses to operate in Texas. He should do just that. If a federal court overturns the suspension, ignore it. Levy fines and jail time against ATT management in state. When fed courts order them released, don’t. Leave them in jail. Use your imagination to figure out where it can go from here. I don’t think DC is actually in a position to win this one if Abbot grows a pair. Don’t worry though. He won’t. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:04:58 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go with Civil Rights Act Title VII exemption. They really don’t have a right by law to deny your exemption unless they can prove it’s an undue hardship, and they can’t make other accommodations for you. It’s not a request for exemption, so much as a declaration and invoking your civil rights. That’s what they don’t want you to know. If there’s a reasonable accommodation you can think of that removes undue hardship on the company, whether that be change of work venue, weekly testing, etc, then they can’t “really” legally deny it. Was told they are going easy on exemption requests. Fingers crossed. 
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Posted: 10/22/2021 7:34:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GE backed off in Texas for what it's worth. If he can put the brakes on them, then his order is pretty substantial. I thought they had 750 employees walk over it. Which thing had more of an effect? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 8:26:03 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they had 750 employees walk over it. Which thing had more of an effect? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GE backed off in Texas for what it's worth. If he can put the brakes on them, then his order is pretty substantial. I thought they had 750 employees walk over it. Which thing had more of an effect? This may be one of the best examples of "get both". Government edicts only have force if we allow them to have. On the flip side, we should support those in .gov who are fighting for our freedoms. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 9:36:03 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What authority does Governor Abbott have over a company headquartered in New Jersey that is a Federal contractor? The issue would have to be resolved in Federal Court. Do you think any Federal Judge would decide a Governor's Executive Order supersedes a Presidential Executive Order? This is my situation. The company FAQ says if you don't get vaxxed, you will be placed on unpaid leave; essentially terminated w/o saying so. It speaks specifically to the Texas or Montana orders, saying the policy still applies. 12/8 federal due date with an 11/15 submit your vax info or claim an exemption. Also that an exemption accomodation may be, unpaid leave. I think you and I work for the same company. 
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:43:51 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it does not. FJB's EO does not carry the force of law. Abbott's order does. So the Governor’s EO is binding but the President’s is optional? Please explain why the Governor can issue a binding EO and the President cannot. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:55:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, Texas would win in summary judgement. Business licenses are granted by the state in which they are located, not the Feral Government. The advice the company is listening to has no bearing on any of that. Further, Brandon's EO does not have the force of law, Abbott's does because the Texas legislature gave him that power. Are you a federal court Judge? This is an issue that will be resolved by federal courts. It is almost certainly going to the Supreme Court. I don’t think Biden or the federal government has the power to issue a vaccine mandate but it is possible the courts will stretch the interstate commerce clause and allow it. Calling Biden Brandon or the Federal Government the Feral Government will not help win the case. There was another Governor who thought his EOs overrode Federal laws and instead of fighting it in court he stood in a doorway. Do you remember what happened in GA? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:59:14 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He should do just that. If a federal court overturns the suspension, ignore it. Levy fines and jail time against ATT management in state. When fed courts order them released, don’t. Leave them in jail. Use your imagination to figure out where it can go from here. I don’t think DC is actually in a position to win this one if Abbot grows a pair. Don’t worry though. He won’t. Federal Judges just love having their orders ignored. Try doing it and win a vacation at Club Fed. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 11:09:15 AM EDT
[#46]
Despite the ra ra at AR15.COM, for the most part Abbot is being ignored. Apparently with no detriment to doing so.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 11:13:06 AM EDT
[#47]
The one good thing about Abbott is that he's a former TX AG. The current AG Paxton has zero fuck to give since he's under indictment (sounds like rightfully so, swampy behavior) and has other ethics issues which will eventually push him out of office but that makes him dangerous in a way that that's good for conservatives because he's on borrowed time.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 11:34:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the Governor’s EO is binding but the President’s is optional? Please explain why the Governor can issue a binding EO and the President cannot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it does not. FJB's EO does not carry the force of law. Abbott's order does. So the Governor’s EO is binding but the President’s is optional? Please explain why the Governor can issue a binding EO and the President cannot. Because the state legislature gave him the direct authority to legal issue such a mandate. Brandon's EO has no such statutory authority. Perhaps you should read more and post less. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 11:38:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you a federal court Judge? This is an issue that will be resolved by federal courts. It is almost certainly going to the Supreme Court. I don’t think Biden or the federal government has the power to issue a vaccine mandate but it is possible the courts will stretch the interstate commerce clause and allow it. Calling Biden Brandon or the Federal Government the Feral Government will not help win the case. There was another Governor who thought his EOs overrode Federal laws and instead of fighting it in court he stood in a doorway. Do you remember what happened in GA? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, Texas would win in summary judgement. Business licenses are granted by the state in which they are located, not the Feral Government. The advice the company is listening to has no bearing on any of that. Further, Brandon's EO does not have the force of law, Abbott's does because the Texas legislature gave him that power. Are you a federal court Judge? This is an issue that will be resolved by federal courts. It is almost certainly going to the Supreme Court. I don’t think Biden or the federal government has the power to issue a vaccine mandate but it is possible the courts will stretch the interstate commerce clause and allow it. Calling Biden Brandon or the Federal Government the Feral Government will not help win the case. There was another Governor who thought his EOs overrode Federal laws and instead of fighting it in court he stood in a doorway. Do you remember what happened in GA? Business licenses are issued by the state. Federal courts have rejected such suits because they belong in state court. Calling Xiden Brandon is entirely appropriate and calling the Federal Government the Feral Government is extremely accurate. BTW, the case you were referring to was in Alabama, not GA. In that instance, Wallace was attempting to deny civil rights and the feds enforced them. If you claim that is the way it should be then these mandates are null and void. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 11:39:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Federal Judges just love having their orders ignored. Try doing it and win a vacation at Club Fed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He should do just that. If a federal court overturns the suspension, ignore it. Levy fines and jail time against ATT management in state. When fed courts order them released, don’t. Leave them in jail. Use your imagination to figure out where it can go from here. I don’t think DC is actually in a position to win this one if Abbot grows a pair. Don’t worry though. He won’t. Federal Judges just love having their orders ignored. Try doing it and win a vacation at Club Fed. Federal judges have very little power to enforce their edicts, especially on states, where they have no power at all to do any enforcement. |
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