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Posted: 10/3/2019 2:00:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2019 2:43:02 PM EDT by HistoricArmsLLC]
Well now that is interesting...Things you learn from FOIA disclosures.

Using an informant during forfeiture litigation to get inside the other teams huddle.....That's how the Department of Just-Us rolls folks.

It creeped out the inhouse ATF attorney who claims to have reported it to someone....Not the court, not my attorney.

edited to add:

Harry Foster of ATF Chief Counsels Office was appointed a Special AUSA for the case. He was required to inform my attorney and the court upon finding out and instead ran a rigged game in Federal court here in Atlanta. Way to go Harry! You just got caught cheating!


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Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:05:14 PM EDT
Hmmmm...

Not surprised and not expecting much, but will be interested to see where this case ends up.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:06:43 PM EDT
OP has been doing God's work for years.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:09:54 PM EDT
Can you elaborate on what’s going on here?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:10:06 PM EDT
WTF
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:10:20 PM EDT


I like reading about the historic arms stuff.

post more
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:11:48 PM EDT
In on 1, I think?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:13:11 PM EDT
TIL you can arrest a firearm and file a criminal complaint against it.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:13:19 PM EDT
Is that Len Savage's strategy?

I dig it
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:13:44 PM EDT
Ost
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:14:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bgdtx:
Can you elaborate on what’s going on here?
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Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:14:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bobbybananas:
TIL you can arrest a firearm and file a criminal complaint against it.
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I am pre-amused of the day when civil forfeiture attempts to seize an AI robot that says 'Nope .... oh, and fuck you.' BLAMBLAMBLAM
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:15:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bgdtx:
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87D chess, that might actually get somewhere.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:15:58 PM EDT
Any recourse after a decade? Get that gun back?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:16:19 PM EDT
Is this the MAC-10 upper they said was a firearm or a different screwing?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:16:38 PM EDT
ost
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:18:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bgdtx:
Can you elaborate on what’s going on here?
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The government seized a firearm I designed and sent to them...So I sued them to give it back.

During the trial ATF employee used an informant to garner inside information on the case from the other side.

ATF sent in a spy in a federal case to the opposing side!.

It freaked out the attorney at ATF. Look if it freaks out an ATF attorney you know it has to bad....REALLY BAD.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:19:09 PM EDT
tagging this.

I assumed the act was illegal?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:19:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:20:15 PM EDT
I presume you sent that bottom email to someone and it wasn't ATF?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:22:08 PM EDT
We just had an AUSA who was found to be leaking grand jury material. Guess what? The DOJ declined to prosecute.

It's clear that there are NO moral or ethical guidelines applicable to DOJ attorneys. Do you think the attorneys receiving this information didn't know its source?

I have never been so disgusted with big.gov.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:23:47 PM EDT
In!
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:24:26 PM EDT
I’m going to make a citizens arrest on all firearms in RCC1s collection. Thanks for the info OP!
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:24:55 PM EDT
So the gov gets an informant passing them info that is client-attorney privileged. And we're not a banana republic how?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:25:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HistoricArmsLLC:

The government seized a firearm I designed and sent to them...So I sued them to give it back.

During the trial ATF employee used an informant to garner inside information on the case from the other side.

ATF sent in a spy in a federal case to the opposing side!.

It freaked out the attorney at ATF. Look if it freaks out an ATF attorney you know it has to bad....REALLY BAD.
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So yeah it looks really bad

But will anything really happen to them over it?

If anything this just seems like part of the truth to the mythical ATF boogieman that we fear will use all their power to go after an individual they want; with no recourse.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:25:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HistoricArmsLLC:

The government seized a firearm I designed and sent to them...So I sued them to give it back.

During the trial ATF employee used an informant to garner inside information on the case from the other side.

ATF sent in a spy in a federal case to the opposing side!.

It freaked out the attorney at ATF. Look if it freaks out an ATF attorney you know it has to bad....REALLY BAD.
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So.... about the “firearm” being charged. WTF?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:25:45 PM EDT
I'm less offended by their dirty tricks than I am the fellow replying with the whole "we should all aspire to the same" nonsense.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:26:30 PM EDT
One of my favorite parts of your FOIA posts are the emails sigs of the various ATF employees
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:26:52 PM EDT
In on one.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:27:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bobbybananas:
TIL you can arrest a firearm and file a criminal complaint against it.
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They arrest cash all the time.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:28:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
One of my favorite parts of your FOIA posts are the emails sigs of the various ATF employees
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Top men.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:28:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bgdtx:

So.... about the “firearm” being charged. WTF?
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Thats how things are seized...houses, cars, cash, etc..
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:30:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Foxxz:
So the gov gets an informant passing them info that is client-attorney privileged. And we're not a banana republic how?
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Remember this?

Loretta Lynch: We’ll Position DOJ to Do Obama’s Work ‘Long After’ We’re Gone
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:31:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2019 2:34:05 PM EDT by HistoricArmsLLC]
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Originally Posted By Bgdtx:

So.... about the “firearm” being charged. WTF?
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So yeah, when the government wants to fuck with you but finds no cause they arrest your property and claim it libeled the USA....No shit.

They issue an arrest warrant for the object and everything. You are a person you have rights under the constitution.

Just-US claims that property has no rights, no right to trial by the way either, no right to bail, nope they just take your shit and tell to FOAD.

ATF does this over 250,000 times a year.

Here is the rest of the disclosure I just received.

https://www.scribd.com/document/428622855/ATF-Chief-Counsel-FOIA-re-Len-Savage
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:39:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HistoricArmsLLC:

So yeah, when the government wants to fuck with you but finds no cause they arrest your property and claim it libeled the USA....No shit.

They issue an arrest warrant for the object and everything. You are a person you have rights under the constitution.

Just-US claims that property has no rights, no right to trial by the way either, no right to bail, nope they just take your shit and tell to FOAD.

ATF does this over 250,000 times a year.

Here is the rest of the disclosure I just received.

https://www.scribd.com/document/428622855/ATF-Chief-Counsel-FOIA-re-Len-Savage
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That is weapons-grade fucked up.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:41:14 PM EDT
Tag
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:46:16 PM EDT
In on one!
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:47:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2019 2:47:46 PM EDT by pcsutton]
IMHO, one of the biggest problems this nation has is the convoluted logic and mental gymnastics the government will purpose to ignore or side-step the original intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:53:08 PM EDT
Just shows the level of contempt that many in our government have for "us".

You (presumably an 07/SOT) send a prototype to them for approval and not only do they not approve it but seize your property?
They then spend tens of thousands of dollars of "our" money and involve CIs to try to "win" their case over the seizure of a $400 product.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:55:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:56:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2019 2:58:58 PM EDT by exDefensorMilitas]
@HistoricArmsLLC

Dumb question

Being unfamiliar with the firing mechanism myself. As submitted, the firearm had no trigger group installed. Does that mean there was also no sear?

If so, then the firearm essentially fired at it's cyclic rate, which makes sense. That is not unusual. I've been the proud user of an M-4 that the sear broke on and had the pleasure of a cyclic M-4 at the range during qual.

And since there was no trigger group, how on God's green earth can someone equate that it can fire more then one round with the trigger mechanism. It's rhetorical, I know. The ATF can.

I did laugh at zip ties and duct tape.

ETA: Apparently I have a bunch of machine guns if pull out the trigger and sear.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 2:58:47 PM EDT
So you sent an email of your proposed strategy to someone that was not an ATF agent and the ATF ended up with that email, correct?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:00:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sundowner08L:
I have never been so disgusted with big.gov.
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The last few years have made all my imaginings of how bad the government was seem silly.

Never did I imagine a full scale take over of all mechanisms of law in this country by globalist plants dead set on undoing our country, and yet... here we are.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:01:44 PM EDT
Reading the emails related to the case, the amount of jerking each other off at the ATF is ridiculous! Good job this and great work that.
Why is it considered success if they get a forfeiture?
Shouldn't they be in favor of a US firearms manufacturer producing a new product? You know, supporting a business which pays taxes and all that jazz?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:10:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2019 3:12:21 PM EDT by stickcar1990]
But the guy evaluating it has “four plus” years with the atf. That kind of experience is beyond reproach.....
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:16:42 PM EDT
So in on this for more.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:29:41 PM EDT
The ATF threatened their own senior agents with:

* Hiring cartel assassins to break and enter the employee's residence
* Filming themselves raping the employee's family
* Murdering the employee's family
* Burning the house down
* Laying the blame on the employee for the murder/arson

It's all on CleanUpATF.org

This was against a whistle-blower who had been in the ATF for 2 decades doing a lot of UC work.

If they're willing to do that to their own, think of where we as citizens fall on that totem pole.

And there's nothing you can do about it other than take care of your family, make more money, and enjoy the American dream.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:35:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nicsam:

They arrest cash all the time.
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Yeah. Forfeiture cases. U.S. v One 2007 Cadillac Escalade, or State v. $1,750.29 in US Currency. Thousands of cases like that every year.
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:37:29 PM EDT
good job OP
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:40:21 PM EDT
Didn't the SC just hand something down against forfeiture?
Link Posted: 10/3/2019 3:45:46 PM EDT
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