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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:32:53 AM EDT
If this has been done please just ignore it.
Is this true? Will we be able to buy lowers without checks? How will a "firearm" be determined? This seems like a pretty big deal. This guy seems to know what he is talking about.  * BIG NEWS * ATF To Rewrite The Definition Of A Lower Receiver: Lower Receivers Are Not Firearms |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:40:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:41:21 PM EDT
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 Another '20er freaking out. Up your street IQ and post less bullshit you watched on Yoooootuuube. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:41:25 PM EDT
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aint know whey
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:45:45 PM EDT
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The worst thing about pistol braces and 80% lowers is all the NRA fudds asking questions on the internet and to the ATF which subsequently give the feds more ideas. Just live your life, do what you want with your property.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:46:09 PM EDT
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Old news, but you are still required to do a BG and paperwork.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:46:24 PM EDT
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NFW
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Posted: 1/3/2021 8:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst thing about pistol braces and 80% lowers is all the NRA fudds asking questions on the internet and to the ATF which subsequently give the feds more ideas. Just live your life, do what you want with your property. I read some of the replies from the recent BATFE shenanigans and sadly wasn't surprised with the amount of people submitting actual recommendations on brace guidelines involving suggesting acceptable calibers, barrel lengths, weights, and lengths. Loyalist, Tory shits  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:05:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read some of the replies from the recent BATFE shenanigans and sadly wasn't surprised with the amount of people submitting actual recommendations on brace guidelines involving suggesting acceptable calibers, barrel lengths, weights, and lengths. Loyalist, Tory shits /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-272.gif My lord, if it pleases the crown I desire to put this piece of plastic I own on this piece of aluminum I own but under these requirements.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:07:32 PM EDT
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Flabble bangle saddle juggle middle quibble
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:10:02 PM EDT
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Do not comply with shit. They can’t arrest us all.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My lord, if it pleases the crown I desire to put this piece of plastic I own on this piece of aluminum I own but under these requirements. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/452430/7FA05292-F237-4CB8-8EB2-7B01B1344214_jpe-1762676.JPG Accurate. Sadly, decent people want to stay "law abiding" to their own detriment without realizing the cage being built around them. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:18:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: If this has been done please just ignore it. Is this true? Will we be able to buy lowers without checks? How will a "firearm" be determined? This seems like a pretty big deal. This guy seems to know what he is talking about.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMCdgzd9THE Attached File |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:19:16 PM EDT
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Did not watch
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:20:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2021 9:58:36 PM EDT
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The portion of a gun with the serial number will be the firearm forever.
Lowered will never be classified as anything except a firearm. Quoted: If this has been done please just ignore it. Is this true? Will we be able to buy lowers without checks? How will a "firearm" be determined? This seems like a pretty big deal. This guy seems to know what he is talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMCdgzd9THE |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 10:23:15 PM EDT
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Buy all the 80% you wish. That serial number thing tho.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The portion of a gun with the serial number will be the firearm forever. Lowered will never be classified as anything except a firearm. ATF has lost a couple of cases in California already over this. They nab felons, charge em w/ possession of firearm. Smart shyster tells judge,"That ain't a firearm." Judge agrees. Charge thrown out. Government does not appeal, as they don't want to set precedent, but the shysters have already communicated the winning strategy to each other. The problem the gubbermint has, if an AR lower ain't a firearm - neither is a 1911 frame. All the serial numbers are on the wrong parts. And their back-door registration just went to shit. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:11:46 PM EDT
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The only thing that will come out of this is more serialized parts.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:16:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing that will come out of this is more serialized parts. I doubt anything comes of it, but if it does it will be that. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:18:47 PM EDT
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On one hand, restricting the chambered items and bolts makes a lot more sense than restricting the lower of an AR. The barrel and bolt are literally what enable you to fire the bullet. Making an AR barrel from scratch is not nearly as easy for laymen as finishing an 80% lower - it requires soem gunsmith specific tools and an accurate lathe. If I bought a reamer, gauges, barrel blank and barrel extension I could certainly spin up my own functional barrel because I have a lathe. But a bolt requires both precision lathe and millwork (or a CNC turning center or 4-axis CNC), not to mention proper heat treating.
On the other hand, millions of unserialized barrels and BCGs are out there. Talk about a logistical shitshow for the ATF. |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:21:55 PM EDT
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I think a reminder that this is in a tech forum is in order to keep people from getting their peepee slapped.
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On one hand, restricting the chambered items and bolts makes a lot more sense than restricting the lower of an AR. The barrel and bolt are literally what enable you to fire the bullet. Making an AR barrel from scratch is not nearly as easy for laymen as finishing an 80% lower abd making a functional bolt is even more difficult. A barrel/bolt combo would require legitimate lathes and mills and gunsmithing skill - not to mention proper heat treating. On the other hand, millions of unserialized barrels and BCGs are out there. Talk about a logistical shitshow for the ATF. They would regulate every part that goes into a rifle if they can. Let's not give them any ideas or go around Nana, boo, booing the government. Edit- or the mods with GD talk |
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Posted: 1/3/2021 11:28:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On one hand, restricting the chambered items and bolts makes a lot more sense than restricting the lower of an AR. The barrel and bolt are literally what enable you to fire the bullet. Making an AR barrel from scratch is not nearly as easy for laymen as finishing an 80% lower abd making a functional bolt is even more difficult. A barrel/bolt combo would require legitimate lathes and mills and gunsmithing skill - not to mention proper heat treating. On the other hand, millions of unserialized barrels and BCGs are out there. Talk about a logistical shitshow for the ATF. A barrel + bolt don’t meet the statutory definition of a firearm receiver either. Congress fucked themselves on that one. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:29:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2021 7:37:34 AM EDT
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How did you do that OP?
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Posted: 1/4/2021 9:44:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The portion of a gun with the serial number will be the firearm forever. How's that go for Glock barrels and slides? |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 9:51:05 AM EDT
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This is why a European pistol has the serial number repeated on the barrel, slide, and frame.
 Europe is concerned with the pressure bearing parts. That actually makes sense. This is also why you can buy an M16 lower in Europe. It is of no concern to the authorities there. It can’t discharge a round. Back in 1964 when Colt first marketed the AR 15 the ATF had to basically flip a coin. The upper doesn’t feed the ammo nor have the fire control group. The ATF chose the lower. A FAL is the upper if I’m not mistaken. I actually had an AR lower in my car and got stopped for a turn signal out. “Any guns in the car?” “Legally yes, but not really.” I handed him the box with the lower. He looked confused until I explained it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 10:21:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why a European pistol has the serial number repeated on the barrel, slide, and frame. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/cCQgXo9GhcdAdylogHaHRYaa_-ayYYJdOeBRMhQFMc9I-dVD_jqO7nPyoohPCfCCHhs-xophpQj678Cb4zaYYzu4n5K7VCF3Sg Europe is concerned with the pressure bearing parts. That actually makes sense. This is also why you can buy an M16 lower in Europe. It is of no concern to the authorities there. It can’t discharge a round. Back in 1964 when Colt first marketed the AR 15 the ATF had to basically flip a coin. The upper doesn’t feed the ammo nor have the fire control group. The ATF chose the lower. A FAL is the upper if I’m not mistaken. I actually had an AR lower in my car and got stopped for a turn signal out. “Any guns in the car?” “Legally yes, but not really.” I handed him the box with the lower. He looked confused until I explained it. NICE!!! Now even a retired flatfoot like me approves. |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 11:06:13 AM EDT
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the way I read all the crap on this is that they will be REDEFINING the definitions of what a firearm is.
Right now its something along the lines of "frame which contains the firing mechanism, a threaded connection for barrel or chamber and the bolt or locking mechanism to contain the round". Well you can see how the AR lower fails on a few of those points but the ATF had to make a choice on which part (since in their logic there can only be one also) to serialize. I'm going to bet that ATF just takes the easy way out and adds some wording that amounts to "or whatever else we designate as the main component for firearms that don't fully meet the exact guidelines". |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:01:14 PM EDT
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Here's the issue - ATF can only write regulations that interpret, but do not supercede the law. The law defines what a firearm is. It takes Congress to change the law.
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:24:01 PM EDT
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Someone needs to write a letter to BATFE seeking clarification.
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:42:01 PM EDT
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ATF has stated before they're working and expect in about 5 years to have a new definition that resolves this "problem".
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Posted: 1/4/2021 12:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF has stated before they're working and expect in about 5 years to have a new definition that resolves this "problem". |
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:01:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2021 1:24:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: This guy seems to know what he is talking about. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 11:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FlNMyVfxjfzIJO%2F200.gif&f=1&nofb=1 Another '20er freaking out. Up your street IQ and post less bullshit you watched on Yoooootuuube. Damn I could swear that is Joe smoe Scarborough. He looks just like beeker. |
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