60 round AR mag from ATI. Anyone have any experience with these?

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Posted: 7/17/2019 4:36:36 PM EDT

From AIM's email....looks interesting

https://aimsurplus.com/ati-schmeisser-s60-223-5-56-60rd-ar15-magazine/?mc_cid=4d013c8d25&mc_eid=974c5445b5

Posted: 7/17/2019 4:44:29 PM EDT

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Quads make me nervous.
Drums actually seem simpler

Posted: 7/17/2019 4:57:38 PM EDT

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Tag. For that price I may have to get one to play with.

Posted: 7/17/2019 4:59:29 PM EDT

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At 25 or 30 bucks I'd give it a shot. At that price think I'll just keep an eye out for used D60's

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:01:32 PM EDT

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These should mount to LBE with less bulk than D60s. I’m really curious to see if I’d this represents anything new in terms of quad mag reliability. Sooner or later, someone has to figure it out.

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:10:06 PM EDT

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I've been wanting to try these. Ordered 2.

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:12:10 PM EDT

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I'm going to add it to my collection. Just because.

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:12:18 PM EDT

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20 Rounders are best AR mags fight me!

I would just get the D60 over that personally.

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:12:31 PM EDT

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Can't be any worse than the Surefire (world class customer service) junk I have sitting here.

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:35:09 PM EDT

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Came here because I also saw the email.

Seems interesting and at a decent price point.

Posted: 7/17/2019 5:44:39 PM EDT

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ATI generally produces garbage.

The 22's they import(ed) blew. The Galil ARM clone they're putting out doesn't work with IMI mags. It won't be hard to convince me to pass on that ugly abortion of a mag.

Posted: 7/17/2019 6:25:06 PM EDT

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Little cheaper. PSA

Posted: 7/17/2019 6:30:34 PM EDT

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American Tactical has partnered with German arms manufacturer Schmeisser GmbH to exclusively import and distribute the Schemisser S60 60 round AR-15 magazine. Made from glass reinforced polymer, this patent pending magazine features a unique follower system that allows for double capacity from a normal AR magazine without being bulky or cumbersome. Designed to shoot both .223 REM & 5.56X45MM, the Schmeisser S60 will give you an instant capacity upgrade over the standard AR mag at an affordable price for your AR Carbine or Pistol. Made in Germany.

Posted: 7/17/2019 6:35:04 PM EDT

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That’s more like it!

Posted: 7/17/2019 6:37:47 PM EDT

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I'll wait on some reviews first. Will buy if good.

Posted: 7/17/2019 6:40:40 PM EDT

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Me too.

Posted: 7/17/2019 7:17:09 PM EDT

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Posted: 7/17/2019 8:16:05 PM EDT

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bump, hoping someone has used one can chime in.

Posted: 7/18/2019 6:59:06 PM EDT

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Sold out at AIM Surplus. Still waiting on reviews before I buy.

Posted: 7/18/2019 7:19:19 PM EDT

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20 Rounders are best AR mags fight me!

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Yup I love my 20's for semi auto now full auto that's a totally different story.

Posted: 7/18/2019 8:31:06 PM EDT

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I was interested until I saw ATI..I'll wait on the beta testers.

Posted: 7/18/2019 8:32:19 PM EDT

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ATI isn't making them.

Posted: 7/20/2019 1:17:37 AM EDT

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Here is the Schmeisser video from back around Shot Show.

Shot Show 2019 - New Schmeisser AR15/M4 60rds Polymer Stick Magazine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrdkvHoVSaY

Posted: 7/20/2019 1:28:58 AM EDT

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Looks interesting

Posted: 7/20/2019 1:37:33 AM EDT

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Surefire 60 was fucking garbage and over $100. Why chance a cheaper mag from an unknown company using a quad stack design that no one has ever made work reliably? Even Magpul gave up working on their quad stack design.

D60s can be had for $90 shipped and are dead nuts reliable. Buy some and be done with it.

Posted: 7/20/2019 10:00:34 AM EDT

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Surefire 60 was fucking garbage and over $100. Why chance a cheaper mag from an unknown company using a quad stack design that no one has ever made work reliably? Even Magpul gave up working on their quad stack design.

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Who has D60's for $90 shipped?

I like the form factor of the quad. Had decent experiences with some of my Surefire 60's. Individual mags were a bit hit or miss unfortunately.

Hopefully the four Schmeisser mags will be more reliable.

Posted: 7/20/2019 10:17:57 AM EDT

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American Tactical has partnered with German arms manufacturer Schmeisser GmbH to exclusively import and distribute the Schemisser S60 60 round AR-15 magazine. Made from glass reinforced polymer, this patent pending magazine features a unique follower system that allows for double capacity from a normal AR magazine without being bulky or cumbersome. Designed to shoot both .223 REM & 5.56X45MM, the Schmeisser S60 will give you an instant capacity upgrade over the standard AR mag at an affordable price for your AR Carbine or Pistol. Made in Germany.

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It's made in Germany so you know it's good!

Posted: 7/20/2019 10:31:08 AM EDT

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The balance and gun center of gravity plus the short hangdown make the D60 much better than you think.

Posted: 7/20/2019 10:45:09 AM EDT

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American Tactical has partnered with German arms manufacturer Schmeisser GmbH to exclusively import and distribute the Schemisser S60 60 round AR-15 magazine. Made from glass reinforced polymer, this patent pending magazine features a unique follower system that allows for double capacity from a normal AR magazine without being bulky or cumbersome. Designed to shoot both .223 REM & 5.56X45MM, the Schmeisser S60 will give you an instant capacity upgrade over the standard AR mag at an affordable price for your AR Carbine or Pistol. Made in Germany.

It's made in Germany so you know it's good!

two words: KRAUT SPACE MAGIC!!

Posted: 7/20/2019 10:53:30 AM EDT

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I'm interested in it for a BREN configuration w/ a binary trigger and side mounted red dot.

Posted: 7/20/2019 10:55:08 AM EDT

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You dicks bought them all.

Posted: 7/20/2019 11:02:16 AM EDT

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Who has D60's for $90 shipped?

I like the form factor of the quad. Had decent experiences with some of my Surefire 60's. Individual mags were a bit hit or miss unfortunately.

Hopefully the four Schmeisser mags will be more reliable.

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Surefire 60 was fucking garbage and over $100. Why chance a cheaper mag from an unknown company using a quad stack design that no one has ever made work reliably? Even Magpul gave up working on their quad stack design.

D60s can be had for $90 shipped and are dead nuts reliable. Buy some and be done with it.

Who has D60's for $90 shipped?

I like the form factor of the quad. Had decent experiences with some of my Surefire 60's. Individual mags were a bit hit or miss unfortunately.

Hopefully the four Schmeisser mags will be more reliable.

Brownells from time to time. My order history shows last November I bought 2 @ $104 each, minus $20 off $200 coupon, 4% AJ. $90.24 each shipped.

Quad is definitely better if you want to put one in a pouch. Hanging out of a gun it's a toss up on personal preference. Drum is wider, quad is longer.

And yeah, hopefully they are more reliable. But for less than half the price of an unreliable Surefire, I just don't see them having invested the money in the engineering design, manufacturing tooling and manufacturing process to solve the problems with coffin mags that designers have been trying to solve for over a century. Surefire couldn't do it at twice the street price. Magpul gave up completely because it was never going to meet their standards and turn a profit at the price it would require and volumes that kind of price would drive.

At $50 will it work? Sure, as a novelty that you're okay with jamming every 1 or 2 or 3 loads. Will it meet the reliability of a D60? Never.

Posted: 7/20/2019 11:09:13 AM EDT

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20 Rounders are best AR mags fight me!

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Yep you'ze right...

I just found a box in the basement with 20 sand gen3 Pmags all 20rounders too...

Posted: 7/20/2019 11:25:44 AM EDT

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^{I tried a couple Surefire 60rd mags which both turned out to be completely unreliable turds. At least trying one of these won't hurt my wallet as much.}

But honestly, reliable 30rd mags are so cheap why bother?

Posted: 7/20/2019 11:37:02 AM EDT

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^{I tried a couple Surefire 60rd mags which both turned out to be completely unreliable turds. At least trying one of these won't hurt my wallet as much.}

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Owning a single D60 in your home defense gun's magwell is worth bothering over a PMAG 30. No one is implying you need to replace all of your AR15 mag capacity of $8 30-rounders with $50-$90 60-rounders.

Posted: 7/20/2019 11:39:20 AM EDT

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Owning a single D60 in your home defense gun's magwell is worth bothering over a PMAG 30. No one is implying you need to replace all of your AR15 mag capacity of $8 30-rounders with $50-$90 60-rounders.

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^{I tried a couple Surefire 60rd mags which both turned out to be completely unreliable turds. At least trying one of these won't hurt my wallet as much.}

But honestly, reliable 30rd mags are so cheap why bother?

Owning a single D60 in your home defense gun's magwell is worth bothering over a PMAG 30. No one is implying you need to replace all of your AR15 mag capacity of $8 30-rounders with $50-$90 60-rounders.

I've long opined everyone needs at least one D60

Posted: 7/20/2019 4:57:49 PM EDT

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Just got my first two from AIM. Overall they look good. They are a bit on the long side. Locks in fully loaded with a tap. The transition happens at round 18. You can feel the second spring engage as it's much stronger than the top spring. Being made from polymer, they have molded in guides for the bullets and two followers. I think this design will help prevent problems in the transition. They appear to convert each side to a single column and then merge those two columns. Adds a bit more length, but will hopefully solve transition issues.

Here are the pictures I took.
Size comparison.

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Disassembled.

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Close up of the two followers.

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Internal molded guides.

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Posted: 7/20/2019 5:05:25 PM EDT

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Just got my first two from AIM. Overall they look good. They are a bit on the long side. Locks in fully loaded with a tap. The transition happens at round 18. You can feel the second spring engage as it's much stronger than the top spring. Being made from polymer, they have molded in guides for the bullets and two followers. I think this design will help prevent problems in the transition. They appear to convert each side to a single column and then merge those two columns. Adds a bit more length, but will hopefully solve transition issues.

Here are the pictures I took.
Size comparison.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20190720_153402_jpeg-1023720.JPG
Disassembled.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20190720_153113_jpeg-1023722.JPG
Close up of the two followers.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20190720_153424_jpeg-1023723.JPG
Internal molded guides.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20190720_153131_jpeg-1023724.JPG

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Measure the body with calipers before and after loading? Is the body flexing much? The internal molded guides could certainly help with reliability as long as the body flexing doesn't make it bind.

Posted: 7/20/2019 5:24:53 PM EDT

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Can't be any worse than the Surefire (world class customer service) junk I have sitting here.

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Ditto.
Bought one of the 60rndrs when they first came out. Never worked without a few FTF's. Sat in the safe for almost a decade.
Sent it back to Surefire 6 months ago. Got a new one 4 months later. Doesn't like my 556 but works fine in my 300blk. Wierd.

Posted: 7/20/2019 5:38:37 PM EDT

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Thanks Jaqufrost.

Posted: 7/20/2019 5:56:40 PM EDT

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Measure the body with calipers before and after loading? Is the body flexing much? The internal molded guides could certainly help with reliability as long as the body flexing doesn't make it bind.

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That's going to take a few days. My first two are already loaded.

Posted: 7/20/2019 5:56:53 PM EDT

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Glad I could help

Posted: 7/20/2019 6:05:14 PM EDT

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Posted: 7/20/2019 6:10:20 PM EDT

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I've long opined everyone needs at least one D60

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Owning them just to spit in the eye of gun theft advocates.

Posted: 7/20/2019 6:28:17 PM EDT

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That's going to take a few days. My first two are already loaded.

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well, then unload them and reload them. It's only sixty rounds.

Posted: 7/22/2019 9:12:05 AM EDT

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There is now a thread in the magazine forum about these.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_17/742091_ATI-SCHMEISSER-S60-223-5-56-60RD-AR15-MAGAZINE.html

Posted: 7/22/2019 9:18:01 AM EDT

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America!

Posted: 7/24/2019 2:19:19 PM EDT

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Here are some more comparison pics between the Surefire 60, S60 and Pmag 40.

Surefire 60 laid on top the S60, top of the mag is aligned to show the curve and length differences.

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S60 measures .764" longer than the Surefire.

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Pmag 40 is very close in length. The constant curve is pretty close as well.

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