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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:25:41 PM EDT
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Bushnell Nitro 6-24 $274 50% off
EGW 20 MOA base $36 Leupold Rings $18 Ruger American 308 $445 Ready to go, in stock, under $800. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, so it's a max value of $800? That's retarded  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I retarded or am I correct in reading this as an actual requirement? But then you could get a decent $750 rifle and throw on cheap $50 scope and get the same result. I'd like to try it with my SCAR, longer barrel and Vortex 1-10, but that's a little over $800. Yup. He said something like “think your dad’s old hunting rifle”. Doesn’t want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. He said something like “think your dad’s old hunting rifle”. Doesn’t want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. He said something like “think your dad’s old hunting rifle”. Doesn’t want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I retarded or am I correct in reading this as an actual requirement? But then you could get a decent $750 rifle and throw on cheap $50 scope and get the same result. I'd like to try it with my SCAR, longer barrel and Vortex 1-10, but that's a little over $800. Yup. He said something like “think your dad’s old hunting rifle”. Doesn’t want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one. Skip the class, it's not worth your time. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:28:22 PM EDT
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$800 for rifle+glass or $800 for rifle and another $800 for glass? The former doesn't sound doable, and latter is either and ok rifle with shit glass or vice versa.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:28:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why on Earth would that be a requirement for the class? How much is he charging? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I retarded or am I correct in reading this as an actual requirement? But then you could get a decent $750 rifle and throw on cheap $50 scope and get the same result. I’d like to try it with my SCAR, longer barrel and Vortex 1-10, but that’s a little over $800. Why on Earth would that be a requirement for the class? How much is he charging? Not sure on the price of the class yet. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:28:47 PM EDT
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T/C Compass and Vortex Crossfire II.
 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:29:21 PM EDT
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Can you put together a rig capable of hits at 600-1000 yards for $800? Probably.
Do I want to spend a whole day with a group of people dealing with the problems that arise with $800 rigs? No. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:29:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to try it with my SCAR, longer barrel and Vortex 1-10, but that's a little over $800. What are the class objectives? When you say Scout Sniper class I imagine it will be more stalking and fieldcraft than precision rifle. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. He said something like "think your dad's old hunting rifle". Doesn't want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I retarded or am I correct in reading this as an actual requirement? But then you could get a decent $750 rifle and throw on cheap $50 scope and get the same result. I'd like to try it with my SCAR, longer barrel and Vortex 1-10, but that's a little over $800. Yup. He said something like "think your dad's old hunting rifle". Doesn't want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one. That just makes no sense. I can see wanting to keep students from bringing cheap junk that fail and hold up the class, but am not understanding why it would matter on the other end of the things. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:30:28 PM EDT
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I appreciate the feedback. Haven’t signed up yet. Lots of cool replies and suggestions so far though. Thanks.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure on the price of the class yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I retarded or am I correct in reading this as an actual requirement? But then you could get a decent $750 rifle and throw on cheap $50 scope and get the same result. I’d like to try it with my SCAR, longer barrel and Vortex 1-10, but that’s a little over $800. Why on Earth would that be a requirement for the class? How much is he charging? Not sure on the price of the class yet. Unless it's free, it's too expensive. That's a stupid requirement. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. He said something like "think your dad's old hunting rifle". Doesn't want a bunch of guys bringing tier 1 shit for this particular one. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scout sniper...800 dollars...308.... Precision and poverty are a match made in heaven. Nothing for that is going to be worth a shit and is going to make for a miserable class. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looking at taking a scout sniper course later on in the year. Not a lot of info on the course yet but preliminary info: rifle and glass must cost or be valued at $800. What do you pick and why? I know prices are higher now, but I think “normal pre-pandemic price” would suffice. Scout sniper...800 dollars...308.... Precision and poverty are a match made in heaven. Nothing for that is going to be worth a shit and is going to make for a miserable class. I think that the above probably should have read at least $800 and above. Trying to exclude any real junk set ups. I know of more than a few sub $1000.00 rifle and glass setups that would get the job done. Spending huge amounts of money will not always get it done..... all things being equal it's the driver . You can't buy your way into the skills needed and a good shooter doesn't need the latest, greatest, most expensive gear out there to get to 600 yards. I have nothing against good gear just that for something like this, top shelf isn't needed. Maybe the jist / purpose of this class is to teach hunters how to shoot longer distances accurately using their deer rifle...... and many setups are capable of doing that. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weatherby Vanguard Select and the best glass you can find for $250. 13th Post Nails It. This is a solid rifle for the price. SOLID Here's your optic. Now someone will show us the rings and base for 50ish |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ruger American with an SWFA fixed 10x This. Unless you can buy used. Then Ruger American, with athlon midas tac used |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:34:47 PM EDT
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Take the most accurate rifle you already own, and slap the best $800 scope you can find on it.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Savage 110 and Leupold VariX-II I've vot a VariX-III on my 700 in .22-250. Got it for $850 with 450 rounds of factory ammo. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:37:05 PM EDT
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Howa or Savage and a Swfa or Nikon scope
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:38:03 PM EDT
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Ya'll are gonna kill the shit out of paper plates.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a “unique” course that Ed Calderon and his sniper buddies are doing. May or may not happen, but sounds like a cool challenge.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:38:50 PM EDT
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I wonder if $800 is the minimum cost to eliminate the$40 Barska scopes
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:40:12 PM EDT
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You might want to look at used equipment.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Savage 110 and Leupold VariX-II Thread is now closed. Or should be. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:41:23 PM EDT
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Ed Calderon is fucking solid. OP if you can, can you PM details on class if it’s in the DFW area. Thanks!
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:42:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ed Calderon is fucking solid. OP if you can, can you PM details on class if it’s in the DFW area. Thanks! I don't think some posters here have an understanding of what this is about. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis. It sounds like its a challenge to accomplish the most with the least. OP the Ruger or Savage and SWFA is the way to go. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think some posters here have an understanding of what this is about. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ed Calderon is fucking solid. OP if you can, can you PM details on class if it’s in the DFW area. Thanks! I don't think some posters here have an understanding of what this is about. I'd be delighted if you could enlighten us. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a “unique” course that Ed Calderon and his sniper buddies are doing. May or may not happen, but sounds like a cool challenge. No disrespect to Ed, just doesn’t seem like his skill set and bringing his “hobo-tactical” thought process into a sniper class is fundamentally correct. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:45:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:46:33 PM EDT
[#31]
I see the ruger american mentioned a lot. I would be cautious of them. They turn into shotguns after a few rounds.
Savage hog hunter an option? That has more of a bill barrel. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:47:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ed Calderon is fucking solid. OP if you can, can you PM details on class if it’s in the DFW area. Thanks! This will most likely be in Utah. He’s doing a mini weaponology and urban movement course in Dallas this year. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:47:18 PM EDT
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Savage Model 10FP or Rem 700 Tactical then spend whatever is left on glass.
You don't want to be carrying them around all day though... |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No disrespect to Ed, just doesn’t seem like his skill set and bringing his “hobo-tactical” thought process into a sniper class is fundamentally correct. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s a “unique” course that Ed Calderon and his sniper buddies are doing. May or may not happen, but sounds like a cool challenge. No disrespect to Ed, just doesn’t seem like his skill set and bringing his “hobo-tactical” thought process into a sniper class is fundamentally correct. I just checked my notes and it’s an “urban scout” rifle course. Also his buddies are vets part of the USMC scout sniper association. The only guys that helped out Ed when he had a credible death threat on his life. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:48:35 PM EDT
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T/C Compass in 308. (Mine in 6.5CM is crazy accurate and I paid $220).
Vortex Pro Series Low 30mm Rings SWFA fixed 10x scope. (Or an Athlon FFP if you can find a good deal.) |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:49:26 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be delighted if you could enlighten us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ed Calderon is fucking solid. OP if you can, can you PM details on class if it’s in the DFW area. Thanks! I don't think some posters here have an understanding of what this is about. I'd be delighted if you could enlighten us. Naw, keep thinking on it though it might come to ya! |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:51:02 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Naw, keep thinking on it though it might come to ya! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ed Calderon is fucking solid. OP if you can, can you PM details on class if it’s in the DFW area. Thanks! I don't think some posters here have an understanding of what this is about. I'd be delighted if you could enlighten us. Naw, keep thinking on it though it might come to ya! What fundamental skills are going to be learned using inferior equipment, especially if you already have superior equipment available to you? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be delighted if you could enlighten us. Like if you loot your dad's sporting goods store to go slot Russkies with your pals and two hot chicks. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:52:56 PM EDT
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I think running a class on the premise that you might not always have access to tier 1 or 2 equipment is an interesting scenario. Ed Calderon is no dumbass and I'd probably take this class. I wouldn't necessarily call it scout/sniper but maybe "Long Range with Elmer Fudd" or something like that.
OP posting here already has people thinking way outside the box. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:52:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ruger American with an SWFA fixed 10x That’s a great recommendation right there. I’d also toss out a Savage 10 as a very accurate and capable rifle. The SWFA 3-15 could be an option as well, depending on where you buy it and how much the rifle is. 800.00 would barely cover the barrel on a custom rig. I haven’t read the entire blog but I’m sure multiple people have suggested some Vortex, like a DB Tac or whatever. Don’t do that. You’re gonna want the scope to work while you’re at the class. The unlimited lifetime warranty that you’re going to need is worthless when you’re engaged in a course. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that the above probably should have read at least $800 and above. Trying to exclude any real junk set ups. I know of more than a few sub $1000.00 rifle and glass setups that would get the job done. Spending huge amounts of money will not always get it done..... all things being equal it's the driver . You can't buy your way into the skills needed and a good shooter doesn't need the latest, greatest, most expensive gear out there to get to 600 yards. I have nothing against good gear just that for something like this, top shelf isn't needed. Maybe the jist / purpose of this class is to teach hunters how to shoot longer distances accurately using their deer rifle...... and many setups are capable of doing that. I don’t give a shit who you are if your using a scope that doesn’t track, hold zero let you see the target or a fucked gun that doesn’t go bang when you pull the trigger or doesn’t send the bullet the same place you won’t hit shit. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:55:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What fundamental skills are going to be learned using inferior equipment, especially if you already have superior equipment available to you? That’s where I’m at. I understand for an organic medium/weaponology/ urban movement class specializing in permissive environments with limited access to gear/ tools, but it seems like a stretch for some type of scout/sniper class. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:55:52 PM EDT
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I already did it.
Remington SPS tactical .308 Falcon Menace 4x14 mil dot reticle |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just checked my notes and it’s an “urban scout” rifle course. Hmm, I’d want something short and handy for urban use. Can’t think offhand of many 16” 308s (Ruger scout but more than $800) or 16-18” shorty 6.5cm rifles. Does the $800 include modifications? A 6.5cm Thompson center compass II with the barrel cut down to 16.5” would be pretty neat. Would have $450 to spend on glass. Could probably get a used swfa 3-15 for that money. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:56:56 PM EDT
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If you could get every hunter with a .270 and a 3-9 scope to spend a day learning (actually LEARNING) some basics and firing 50 rounds, you could create a large number of solid shooters.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just checked my notes and it’s an “urban scout” rifle course. Also his buddies are vets part of the USMC scout sniper association. The only guys that helped out Ed when he had a credible death threat on his life. I’ll take a 14.5-16” AR and a LPVO then. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:58:12 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless it's free, it's too expensive. That's a stupid requirement. Even if it was free, it's still too expensive with the current ammo situation. I guess a class requirement of 2 boxes of green box Remington seems fitting. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:59:21 PM EDT
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Honestly if I were putting together a "budget urban sniper" course I would mandate that scopes aren't allowed.
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:02:50 AM EDT
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This information should be helpful:
https://bangsteel.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/rifle-scope-ammo-recommendations/ http://www.bangsteel.com/equipment-needs....html |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:03:16 AM EDT
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400 for my hog hunter and 350 for a 2.5-10x32 votex.
I forget what I spent on the accustock  Attached FileNowadays? Idk, find a cheap .308 ADL and leupold 4x |
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