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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:03:26 PM EDT
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Ram is going back to a modified CP3 to fix the horrendous CP4 debacle of the 2019/2020 Rams.
They were even announcing a customer satisfaction program for existing customers to convert them as well. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:14:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: 1. Will the CP3 finally go away? 2. Will Ford hit 1,100 ft/lbs of torque (to best the 1,075 from RAM)? 3. Will the rumors of RAM joining up with Allison come true? 1. Who knows. 2. Yes. 3. Would make sense. The Allison used by GM has more in common with the Ford transmission than any Allison transmissions. GM only owns the rights to the Allison name on the “1000” series transmissions. Which really aren’t even Allison’s. However Allison is pretty far behind the curve right now with on road transmissions. Too expensive, too heavy, too much of a drag on fuel. The eatons do everything better. That being said, they just released a new Transmission fluid. They’re re designing a lot of things. And they have a great foot hold in the off road market. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:19:57 PM EDT
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I wish Ford would offer say, three power tiers for its engines.
Full power (500hp) regular warranty of 5 years/60k miles De-rate #1 (425hp) 6 years/75k miles De-rate #2 (350hp) 7 years/90k miles |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:20:38 PM EDT
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ZF needs to make a diesel trans. Their 8 speeds behind the 3.6 and 5.7/6.2/6.4 are pretty solid.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZF needs to make a diesel trans. Their 8 speeds behind the 3.6 and 5.7/6.2/6.4 are pretty solid. We have the 8spd ZF in our Durango. It's pretty nice. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:24:19 PM EDT
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Nobody uses the CP3 anymore. Ford and Ram use the 4.1 IIRC.
They go out. We’ll see if the Denso on the L5P holds up better. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:27:00 PM EDT
[#7]
I'm eagerly awaiting the 2022 Ford F250 refresh. Hope they update the interior and some exterior stuff.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:27:50 PM EDT
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The emissions have killed the reliability to the point that I think you just have to budget in a delete/tune day 1 and accept you dont have a warranty.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish Ford would offer say, three power tiers for its engines. Full power (500hp) regular warranty of 5 years/60k miles De-rate #1 (425hp) 6 years/75k miles De-rate #2 (350hp) 7 years/90k miles They offer 2 basically. The full power. Regular warranty. Then the commercial set up - 300hp / 725ftlbs - 5 years, 250,000 miles or 10,000 hours. You can get the commercial set up in cab and chassis units. But not regular pick ups. They also have like a 270hp / 625ftlbs set up. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:30:51 PM EDT
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It's been a joy watching the 3/4-1 ton arms race. I remember when the Super Duties first came out thinking- 'diesel trucks are today's hot rods'. One of the 4x4 mags even covered a diesel day at a dragstrip. Everything from built F250's to stock landscaper trucks to semis.
 Is there a technical reason why Ford hasn't put a turbo on their SD gas engines? They love them in anything smaller. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:31:04 PM EDT
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I'm a gas truck guy but flow some diesel stuff. I thought the CP3 was the good one?
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The emissions have killed the reliability to the point that I think you just have to budget in a delete/tune day 1 and accept you dont have a warranty. Out of the last ~20 trucks I’ve bought, I’ve had 1 truck with constant emissions issues. Paccar PX9. Aka Cummins ISL. Cummins hooked overlay ecm to it for diagnostic purpose today. And told me to run the truck till they either figure it out, or it blows up. All under warranty. But admittedly, I own a company that cleans emission systems too. Keep them clean, use a good oil, change your fuel filters. And they’re very reliable. And significantly cheaper to run than pre emissions for the most part, with more power. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:32:15 PM EDT
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I talked to my Ford dealer this past week about a new truck. He said the 2021 super duty production run is going to be very short.
He expects to be able to take orders for 2022 trucks in July, which will come with the major interior redesign like the 2021 f150s. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish Ford would offer say, three power tiers for its engines. Full power (500hp) regular warranty of 5 years/60k miles De-rate #1 (425hp) 6 years/75k miles De-rate #2 (350hp) 7 years/90k miles The derated F650/750 has coverage for 10,000 hrs or 250,000 miles. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Engine is covered for 5 yrs, 100,000 miles. 60,000 for the powertrain. The derated F650/750 has coverage for 10,000 hrs or 250,000 miles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wish Ford would offer say, three power tiers for its engines. Full power (500hp) regular warranty of 5 years/60k miles De-rate #1 (425hp) 6 years/75k miles De-rate #2 (350hp) 7 years/90k miles The derated F650/750 has coverage for 10,000 hrs or 250,000 miles. You can get the de rated coverage down to F350 cab and chassis. Not sure about SRW. But certainly DRW cab and chassis. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out of the last ~20 trucks I've bought, I've had 1 truck with constant emissions issues. Paccar PX9. Aka Cummins ISL. Cummins hooked overlay ecm to it for diagnostic purpose today. And told me to run the truck till they either figure it out, or it blows up. All under warranty. But admittedly, I own a company that cleans emission systems too. Keep them clean, use a good oil, change your fuel filters. And they're very reliable. And significantly cheaper to run than pre emissions for the most part, with more power. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The emissions have killed the reliability to the point that I think you just have to budget in a delete/tune day 1 and accept you dont have a warranty. Out of the last ~20 trucks I've bought, I've had 1 truck with constant emissions issues. Paccar PX9. Aka Cummins ISL. Cummins hooked overlay ecm to it for diagnostic purpose today. And told me to run the truck till they either figure it out, or it blows up. All under warranty. But admittedly, I own a company that cleans emission systems too. Keep them clean, use a good oil, change your fuel filters. And they're very reliable. And significantly cheaper to run than pre emissions for the most part, with more power. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:47:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Where are you hearing about refreshes? You can hardly find an HD truck on the lot they sell them as fast as they make them...
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Posted: 2/27/2021 7:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you hearing about refreshes? You can hardly find an HD truck on the lot they sell them as fast as they make them... There's been internet chatter for about six months now, but yeah, there is very little inventory out there. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 7:52:00 AM EDT
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I’m holding out trading my 2019 f350 for the refreshed superduty.I should be close to 200k by then. Not sure i can hold out. The new superduty is probably going to be out in late 2022 as a 2023.
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:01:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a joy watching the 3/4-1 ton arms race. I remember when the Super Duties first came out thinking- 'diesel trucks are today's hot rods'. One of the 4x4 mags even covered a diesel day at a dragstrip. Everything from built F250's to stock landscaper trucks to semis. Is there a technical reason why Ford hasn't put a turbo on their SD gas engines? They love them in anything smaller. However, if you Ecoboosted a 5.0 you'd end up at 550-650 ftlb of torque below 2,000 rpm in a heartbeat. That would be a $3k upcharge. Maybe $4k. And would destroy the consumer diesel demand. Every fifthwheel and horse trailer puller would instantly be buying gas. Ford would lose a minimum of $4k on every sale. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:06:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a gas truck guy but flow some diesel stuff. I thought the CP3 was the good one? It is, it's the CP4 that has been failing. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:11:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Technical? No. However, if you Ecoboosted a 5.0 you'd end up at 550-650 ftlb of torque below 2,000 rpm in a heartbeat. That would be a $3k upcharge. Maybe $4k. And would destroy the consumer diesel demand. Every fifthwheel and horse trailer puller would instantly be buying gas. Ford would lose a minimum of $4k on every sale. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's been a joy watching the 3/4-1 ton arms race. I remember when the Super Duties first came out thinking- 'diesel trucks are today's hot rods'. One of the 4x4 mags even covered a diesel day at a dragstrip. Everything from built F250's to stock landscaper trucks to semis. Is there a technical reason why Ford hasn't put a turbo on their SD gas engines? They love them in anything smaller. However, if you Ecoboosted a 5.0 you'd end up at 550-650 ftlb of torque below 2,000 rpm in a heartbeat. That would be a $3k upcharge. Maybe $4k. And would destroy the consumer diesel demand. Every fifthwheel and horse trailer puller would instantly be buying gas. Ford would lose a minimum of $4k on every sale. Those little super boosted engines cant hold up to constant high output, and I dont think the boosted intake works as efficient in larger gas engines. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:22:42 AM EDT
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I'm not a diesel guy so i had to look up CP4. My god, what a disaster. Solid rocket booster o-ring failure level disaster!
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:30:21 AM EDT
[#24]
Ram went back to the cp3 in the 21 trucks.
Im ready to trade in my 14 if the 22 gets a new tranny. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:33:28 AM EDT
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All the power is great, but I’m over that in a diesel. I toyed with my ‘04 Cummins and put a GT3782r on it and did the whole programming thing. I’m at the point I’ll take rock solid reliability and 20 mpg at the expense 100 hp. And put the 3rd pedal back in the trucks, some of us still like to row their own gears. If I want to go fast and do burnouts I’ve got my Road Runner. If the above were done I’d probably trade my 3/4 ton HEMI in.
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:39:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZF needs to make a diesel trans. Their 8 speeds behind the 3.6 and 5.7/6.2/6.4 are pretty solid. They are rumored to be working on one, supposed to be called the ZF Powerline |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 8:40:55 AM EDT
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LOL, my brother has 403k on his '99 7.3.
Priced new ones this week, and said " maybe in another 400k!" I'm just short of 1/2 that: In my '05 6.0 
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Posted: 2/27/2021 9:16:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, my brother has 403k on his '99 7.3. Priced new ones this week, and said " maybe in another 400k!" I'm just short of 1/2 that: In my '05 6.0 It won't be long before I need to find another bed for my '03 F-350. Wheel wells are starting to show serious rot. Cab corners and driver's door are ripe, too. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 9:24:08 AM EDT
[#29]
I have a about 15 or so f series with diesels in the 19-21 age range
Have had no issue with them. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:04:11 AM EDT
[#30]
I wonder if Ram will unveil a bigger gas motor to compete with Ford's 7.3 gas?
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:05:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Good luck selling them when diesel is $6.00 a gallon.
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:07:33 AM EDT
[#32]
2022 F250 7.3 Tremor Lariat Ultimate plz
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:12:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck selling them when diesel is $6.00 a gallon. Unless it’s taxes going up, oil is going to stabilize around $65-75 a barrel. It could perhaps start to collapse back down a bit too as production ramps up. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:13:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck selling them when diesel is $6.00 a gallon. Been there done that back in 2008, lots of other issues going on when oil hits that high so its relative. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:53:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if Ram will unveil a bigger gas motor to compete with Ford's 7.3 gas? Hard to say. The 6.4L isn't perfect, but it's not bad and it's a known quantity. If they came out with something bigger, it'd not only eat into 6.4L sales, but would also eat into Cummins sales. Neither would be a good thing for RAM. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 1:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to say. The 6.4L isn't perfect, but it's not bad and it's a known quantity. If they came out with something bigger, it'd not only eat into 6.4L sales, but would also eat into Cummins sales. Neither would be a good thing for RAM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if Ram will unveil a bigger gas motor to compete with Ford's 7.3 gas? Hard to say. The 6.4L isn't perfect, but it's not bad and it's a known quantity. If they came out with something bigger, it'd not only eat into 6.4L sales, but would also eat into Cummins sales. Neither would be a good thing for RAM. I know acouple of guys with '19 or newer Ram 2500's with the 6.4L/8 speed combo and they really like it. Neither of them tow much with them |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 1:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Technical? No. However, if you Ecoboosted a 5.0 you'd end up at 550-650 ftlb of torque below 2,000 rpm in a heartbeat. That would be a $3k upcharge. Maybe $4k. And would destroy the consumer diesel demand. Every fifthwheel and horse trailer puller would instantly be buying gas. Ford would lose a minimum of $4k on every sale. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's been a joy watching the 3/4-1 ton arms race. I remember when the Super Duties first came out thinking- 'diesel trucks are today's hot rods'. One of the 4x4 mags even covered a diesel day at a dragstrip. Everything from built F250's to stock landscaper trucks to semis. Is there a technical reason why Ford hasn't put a turbo on their SD gas engines? They love them in anything smaller. However, if you Ecoboosted a 5.0 you'd end up at 550-650 ftlb of torque below 2,000 rpm in a heartbeat. That would be a $3k upcharge. Maybe $4k. And would destroy the consumer diesel demand. Every fifthwheel and horse trailer puller would instantly be buying gas. Ford would lose a minimum of $4k on every sale. Sounds like a good reason to go for that. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 1:40:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to say. The 6.4L isn't perfect, but it's not bad and it's a known quantity. If they came out with something bigger, it'd not only eat into 6.4L sales, but would also eat into Cummins sales. Neither would be a good thing for RAM. IIRC the 6.4 can tow over 18,000 lbs depending on the truck it's in. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 2:23:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck selling them when diesel is $6.00 a gallon. Meh. Gas sucks for towing |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 3:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC the 6.4 can tow over 18,000 lbs depending on the truck it's in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hard to say. The 6.4L isn't perfect, but it's not bad and it's a known quantity. If they came out with something bigger, it'd not only eat into 6.4L sales, but would also eat into Cummins sales. Neither would be a good thing for RAM. IIRC the 6.4 can tow over 18,000 lbs depending on the truck it's in. Yep. It's a decent engine. RAM would be foolish to add another gas engine to compete with it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 4:03:54 PM EDT
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Find a way to do a hybrid setup with a generator like the F150.
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