Sounds like a recipe for well-adjusted adults with a stable family life

That's kidnapping, plan and simple, but the DOJ and Federal government is full of groomers so they probably support the idea of grabbing kids off the street to ship them off to a ranch a few states over.

Kali..... where the state can take ownership so your 13 year old can have his penis turned into a vagina.

When my deceased brother-in-law was a child my father-in-law sent him to one. The number of suicides of kids sent to that school was so stunningly high that it blows the mind. The abuse - physical, psychological and sexual would have made the Nazis blush. Obviously I'm being a little over the top there, but it was bad. Back in the late 90's the NY Times did a huge expose on these camps/schools and the kidnappings in the middle of the night. Fucked up.

Isn't this what happened to Paris Hilton(?)  ( or someone famous like that - I think it was Paris Hilton).  Recall some interview where she said it Fucked her up some, and not a path she endourses because of that.

I have a nice little doggie at home.

I'm surprised Ghislaine Maxwell can still run a business like that from prison.

Paris Hilton has been taking about being sent to one. I think she was sexually assaulted while there

I taught my son to be a dangerous kid.   Good luck.   Nose, throat, eyes, balls- he’s gonna mess you up.  

That and the lock pick set…

Mormon reeducation camps?

That's not what "gooning" means.

I was about to say the same thing

Yeaaahh.

Note to OP: hit the Urban Dictionary for the definition of terms you're not familiar with.

My buddy did this for a short period.  

The only story he told was that the kid was a real shit heel and his (single) mom wanted him gone so she scheduled my buddy and his partner to come get this kid and transport/escort him to one of these schools/camps.  

???????

Makes me wonder how many people from the national government are making visits to those places to perform "inspections" and what they are actually inspecting.

Only if they're non-citizens who like to vote democrat.

Pretty sure everything in Urban Dictionary is.

I know a guy that did the snatching part.  Parents want to send kids to rehab in, let’s say Idaho.  Comes in the middle of the night, wakes kid up, parents provide pre packed carry on luggage, transports to airport.  Flies to airport in another state and met by someone from the rehab center.  They take the kid to rehab.  Sometimes if the kid is unruly, it’s a car road-trip.  I think he got about 6 or 7k per trip.  Rehab was 90k up front.  Another friend of mine had his ex wife do it to their son.  Son made it a month and escaped.  Son od-d later.  Dead.

A straight-up grab in public could go wrong really easily.

A couple guys forcing a juvenile into a car could have an armed citizen thinking ( understandably ) that it’s a kidnapping.

I don’t imagine LE would be thrilled with the whole idea, either.

Check Urban Dictionary for "gooning" if you dare.

reminds me of my summers in Rangoon

lmaooooooooooooo

I had an aunt do this to TWO of her fuckup kids.

Surprise surprise, they’re both still fuckup adults. Got them off her hands though when they were teenagers and they acted right for a bit once they returned home. But once they were 18 they were straight back to their old ways…pretty sure they just kept a lid on it because they didn’t want to go back.

Take several hundred depressed, confused, broken kids, put them all in the same facility - and for some strange reason, that facility has a higher suicide rate than the general population...

Inconceivable!

I can imagine at least 50 reasons for that to be a bad idea, and every one is made worse by it being in Utah.

In the spring, we'd make meat helmets.

Back in my day, parents would beat their own kids. Now you have to pay some goons to waylay little Johnny and ship him off to Utah to have someone else do it.

Back in the 90's a kid in my class had this happen to him. We where in 5th grade and I remember him chucking a desk at a teacher and hurting her pretty badly, ambulance came, police came and principle sat us all down for a talk. A couple days later he threatened his dad with a shotgun in the front yard and the entire neighborhood saw it, next morning he was gone. Found out later he got taken to one of these camps. When he came back people where fucking afraid of him, for good reason, but he never talked out of line and people thought he was "fixed." He offed himself in HS, then his dad did the same a few years later.

I had a sergeant in the national guard that used to work in youth facilities.  The older youths ruin the younger ones more than they were when they arrived.  Total shitshows of physical and sexual abuse.  

In Oklahoma kidnapping is one of the criteria for use of deadly force. See kidnapping, kill kidnappers.

Damn Belgians.

I've seen it happen live on Dr. Phil.

My first thought.

Some parents deserve to be severely beaten at the least by their children.  My father was extremely verbally abusive and on two occasions physically abusive to me when I was a child.  I made him pay one day.  Might want to consider that boy or even girl you’re hurting as a child will one day be bigger and stronger than you, before you mistreat it.

I've seen these work\turn kids around.  Some kids are just messed up, can't blame the parents.

Is is actually kidnapping when it's a minor at the direction of the parent?

I was one of these kids. Summer going into senior year got woken up one night and a big dude and some equally as
big dyke chick were in my room and told me I had to get dressed and go with them. My mom had threatened sending me to “wilderness rehab” but I thought she was bluffing. Admittedly I learned at intake she thought I was far worse then I was because she listed that I was taking every drug known to man and embellished/exaggerated a lot of “incidents”. The reality was I occasionally did blow, smoked pot , and would sneak girls into the house. I also occasionally missed curfew, but was hardly wild or Dr. Phil worthy. I honestly can’t recall if they handcuffed me (it was 2003). I BELIEVE I was at first, but when we got to a rest stop far from my place they took them off. They were cool and let me order w/e I wanted at restaurant. We flew to Utah and they let me call my girlfriend at the time which was sad af for me. I don’t think they were supposed to but I didn’t give them any shit and I think they just felt bad knowing what I was about to experience.

Fast forward. I spent about 5 months outside of Enterprise Utah hiking 4-5 hours daily, living out of a tarp backpack, surrounded by actual junkees and degenerates. I spoke with a shrink once a week but had no contact with anyone other then letters to Mom/family. It’s pretty inhumane and humiliating experience coupled with malnutrition and forced labor (building/expanding their facilities). We slept outside in sleeping bags every night, we would get a bag of rice and some ham/cheese dropped off weekly with some other snacks and that was all we ate. We had to portion it out for all three meals/week and that was it. We got water from cow troughs which were absolutely vile and had to stir the surface to break up algae and cow spit etc. the counselors were cool though and I never witnessed or experienced abuse or anything like that. They were mostly hippie college students that would cycle in/out every couple of days. It was a bunch of Native American influence and mirrored their culture. To progress through the program you had to do all thus native BS, catch animals with made from scratch/nature snares. Start fires with bow and spindle, etc etc. as you progressed and did these things it unlocked visit with therapist who could progress you through workbooks and program.

The one I went to was Red Cliff Ascent in Utah


Afterwards went back to school, was way worse at this point and got expelled but it was overturned. I joined the Marine Corps Infantry and school basically rubber stamped my diploma. I think I had failed mostly all my classes and barely showed up at this point. I wound up doing eight years in the corps, got out and became a cop, and recently took a corporate position with Amazon. That camp didn’t help me, it was my time in military where I grew up and became a man. That camp at the tine just made me resentful , bitter, and more rambunctious because I was so affected by that experience. I would NEVER advocate or support sending a kid there. 99% of them were rich kids from rich families and it was obvious the parents wanted someone else to try and fix what they couldn’t. I’ve heard a lot that it fucks you up socially and makes it hard to appreciate friends, lovers , etc. i have no idea how accurate especially given my other issues/experience. But it was shitty experience and worse overall then boot camp or any of my deployments.

My elementary school was right next to a juvenile detention facility. We got put in lockdown all the time because dudes would escape. When the state tour it down my buddies and I went in there. Found where they burrowed under the razor wire fence. Razor wire is quite intimidating up close.

Desperate parents trying to deal with train wreck kids, looking for a way to help them not be shitbags, after exhausting all other options.

It’s not a simple as the title suggests, Ala mean parents abusing innocent children, I guarantee the majority of those kids are terrors to deal with on a daily basis.

I’d have cheerfully signed my brother up to such a camp, getting his ass beat and mean words screamed at him as he busted ass doing whatever they demanded, cut off from enabling shit friends and family is exactly what he needed.

It’s pretty much impossible for a parent to deal with fucked up kids today, thanks to nosy busy bodies, government intervention, etc. you can’t touch them, can’t beat their ass, government punishes parents for missed school and bad behavior while offering little to no help in dealing with problem kids.

Imho, kids have no rights until 18, so perfectly acceptable to enact public curfews at night, bar them to malls, businesses, restrict them, cut off electric devices, communication, ground them, whip them if needed. Etc.

Some kids don’t understand anything but a ass whipping.

Parental kidnapping is still kidnapping

Every state should have reform schools for wayward youths. Public schools have been ruined by disruptive teens and ineffective parents.

Wealthy families used to send incorrigible teenage boys to military schools to shape them up.

I have worked in this industry for 27 years.  Started in a wilderness program that actually saved my brothers life.  He went on to become a police officer, worked in the industry and now is a business owner.  He is married and has kids.  He has been very successful.  I ran some of these programs and then moved on to consulting with families for placement for the last 15 years.

Just like everything, there are quality well run programs/ transport services etc.  There are also poorly run programs.  It is important that you know what and who you are sending your kids to.  I lived in Utah for 8 years and have visited hundreds of these programs nationally and internationally.   I have also worked with 1000's of families through the years.  

My experience is that the adolescent or young adult that is struggling are normally a symptom of a family systemic issue/issues.  

When all local resources have failed, then parents desperately try to get help for their child/young adult.  

I can attest to thousands of success stories.  Once again, it requires knowledge of who and where you are sending them.  

I have worked with the same transport services for over 20 years, the ones I use are kind, caring and build a rapport with the students.  I have never had an issue.

Just FYI:  I would never use the program that Paris Hilton was sent to.  However, what she does not say is the many programs she was kicked out of and all that happened before she was sent to such a place.  There is always more to the story.  I have worked with children of Hollywood elite, CEO's of fortune 500 companies and just middle class families trying to make a shift for their kids.

"gooning" is the slang term the kids use when they are picked up by transports...  I was not aware of the other meaning :D

Red Cliff was one of the less clinically sophisticated and more behavior modification at the time you were there. They have improved since you were there, but I rarely recommend them.  They definitely relied heavily on the "right of passage" type of Native American influence then.  Sounds like you found the structure and path in the Marines and has led to success.  What works for one, doesn't work for others.  Glad you found what worked for you!

Where does the constitution state that human rights begin at 18?

Don't google Gooning unless your safesearch is set to max.