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Posted: 8/7/2020 10:34:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 11:45:01 AM EDT
Joe Biden will no doubt go down in history as the greatest gun salesman ever. Maybe even topping Hillary or Obama.

I'm not quite so sure if he'll pass many of these things. They're definitely on the bucket list of socialist. It's odd that he acknowledges that 6 in 10 firearm deaths are a result of suicide yet nothing in his proposal seems to address this other than to say he'll come out with some sort of plan. I'm pretty sure the suicide rates will be the same, just that the numbers are shifting around.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 11:45:17 AM EDT
I love you too. Keep preaching the truth.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 11:55:41 AM EDT
It's obvious that they are coming after guns hard this time around. Private gun owners have thwarted a lot of their communist foot soldiers plans and activities up to and including killing them. Pro 2nd movement like Richmond or what happened in Michigan during the lockdowns are empowering to the citizens and significantly disrupt the type of government that these communists want. "Biden's" gun plan, the law suit against the NRA, Bloomburg's state gun control initiatives, negative press about boogaloos and the like aren't happenstance. This is all planned and we are in big, big trouble if there is a blue tsunami come November.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 11:59:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:
Joe Biden will no doubt go down in history as the greatest gun salesman ever. Maybe even topping Hillary or Obama.

I'm not quite so sure if he'll pass many of these things. They're definitely on the bucket list of socialist. It's odd that he acknowledges that 6 in 10 firearm deaths are a result of suicide yet nothing in his proposal seems to address this other than to say he'll come out with some sort of plan. I'm pretty sure the suicide rates will be the same, just that the numbers are shifting around.
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:
Joe Biden will no doubt go down in history as the greatest gun salesman ever. Maybe even topping Hillary or Obama.

I'm not quite so sure if he'll pass many of these things. They're definitely on the bucket list of socialist. It's odd that he acknowledges that 6 in 10 firearm deaths are a result of suicide yet nothing in his proposal seems to address this other than to say he'll come out with some sort of plan. I'm pretty sure the suicide rates will be the same, just that the numbers are shifting around.


They always quote that to pump up their numbers. Even though if someone is bent on killing themselves its not going to mater if they have a gun or not, they will find a way. also they dont ever address the suicide thing because its a mental health issue and its not easily fixed with a bill.

As for the salesman part maybe but its going to be tough for people to buy guns when they are 2 to 3x their normal prices after hes elected.

Originally Posted By USNGM2:
It's obvious that they are coming after guns hard this time around. Private gun owners have thwarted a lot of their communist foot soldiers plans and activities up to and including killing them. Pro 2nd movement like Richmond or what happened in Michigan during the lockdowns are empowering to the citizens and significantly disrupt the type of government that these communists want. "Biden's" gun plan, the law suit against the NRA, Bloomburg's state gun control initiatives, negative press about boogaloos and the like aren't happenstance. This is all planned and we are in big, big trouble if there is a blue tsunami come November.


Its going to be a giant shit sandwich and we are all going to have to take a bite.

dont let it get to that point...vote, make your friends vote, get their friends to vote....
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 12:05:01 PM EDT
It will be OK,you can still have shotguns and chain whips to deal with bad dudes.



Link Posted: 8/7/2020 12:09:43 PM EDT
I think this a poor tactical move by the left.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 12:14:17 PM EDT
Don't care. I won't obey it anyway.

After the first felony, the rest are free.
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Link Posted: 8/7/2020 1:25:04 PM EDT
Ammo prices
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Link Posted: 8/7/2020 2:37:36 PM EDT
I understand and agree with those who are tired of both sides of the isle especially the socialists.  As much as I am disappointed with elected republicans it will be far worse if a blue tidal wave happens in November.
GET OUT AND VOTE.  WE HAVE TO DO SO IN LARGE ENOUGH NUMBERS TO OVERCOME LEFTIST VOTER FRAUD.
Stick together and vote together or hang separately.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 3:02:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:
I'm not quite so sure if he'll pass many of these things. They're definitely on the bucket list of socialist.
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Originally Posted By dalle0001:
I'm not quite so sure if he'll pass many of these things. They're definitely on the bucket list of socialist.


As milquetoast as the red team is about gun rights, the one thing they really enjoy doing is stonewalling a blue team president, so we got that going for us.






It's odd that he acknowledges that 6 in 10 firearm deaths are a result of suicide yet nothing in his proposal seems to address this other than to say he'll come out with some sort of plan. I'm pretty sure the suicide rates will be the same, just that the numbers are shifting around.


There's plenty of empirical data from places like the UK, Australia, and NZ that have instituted draconian gun laws. There is no substantive impact in suicide rates after gun laws are passed. Not surprisingly, the rate of suicide by gun is reduced, marginally except in places where guns are banned entirely, but the rate of suicide overall is not changed.

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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
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I keep a razor in my shoe just in case I run into a bad dude.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 3:06:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SCvARminter:
I think this a poor tactical move by the left.
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I couldn't agree more. More people than ever are becoming aware of the importance of the private ownership of arms and at the same time being disabused of the beliefs they had about how easy it is to buy a gun, or what certain guns are useful for, or why five or ten rounds might be woefully inadequate to solve a problem. And a whole HELLUVA lot of them are on the left. The last thing the DNC needs right now is to remind people about one of the really good reasons not to vote for them. I firmly believe that gun rights advocates care about the issue more than authoritarian enthusiasts do.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 7:23:06 PM EDT
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The rebuttal was not truly necessary though.

These people know their "plan" will not improve "public safety", but they dont care...

That it doesnt "work" as advertised is not a bug but a feature.
What it really is intended to accomplish is to
a) criminalize the political opposition so the vast resources of the state can be brought to bear to attack conservative dissidents and so weaken the United States (they Primary Objective)
b) Make it harder to train our core competencies in fighting enemies foreign and domestic. (Secondary Objective

c) Those Enemies know who they are... and this is the sole reason the left has been pursuing "gun control" at great financial (buying AgitProp costs money) and political cost to itself.

So its  a center of gravity for them.
Why could that possibly be?

They are preparing the battlefield because they expect they will ultimately control all the armed organs of the state.

This demonstrates that the left knows it ultimately intends to do things to Americans, that will cause them to want to fight back.
Therefore making Americans less effective at fighting back via disarmament.. is a center of gravity for their goal of destroying the United States..

Also we should be posting this additionally on bitchute vimeo etc.. and our links on here only point to the,
No sense supporting a social media platform owned by the enemy any more beyond the absolute minimum necessary...
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 7:26:16 PM EDT
FJB
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Originally Posted By TARHEEL_85:
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Ditto.....
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 7:49:14 PM EDT
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Going up....as well as scarcity.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 8:10:20 PM EDT
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just my .02 but i think they are just getting the american public really well armed across the board so that when they decide to pull the plug/hit the rest/whatever.....everyone has a gun and we succeed in killing each other off.

less work for the them to clean up afterwards.

when the power goes out and government stands down, you’ll know its happening.....and yes my tinfoil is wrapped tight.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 8:35:26 PM EDT
I don't see Biden being able to realistically accomplish much of that agenda, even if he manages to win and if the dems manage to take a razor thin senate majority. Even the extremely liberal Washington Post has put out an article talking about how bad Biden's gun agenda is to America's working class, a piece that honestly shocked me when I saw it. No republican is going to vote for that. And a good many democrats will not vote for that, especially those from purple states or districts where such a vote would effectively end their political careers. And even if the dems take the senate and all of them are in favor of such extreme measures, they still won't have a large enough majority to prevent a filibuster. So even in a worst case scenario, I don't see much of a realistic chance of most of those measures getting through congress and to Biden's desk, especially the more draconian ones.

The biggest danger will be what he might try to do with executive powers and the ATF if he is truly that committed to the cause. Getting the ATF to "re-interpret" a bunch of shit could cause some real problems. It is unfortunate in that regard that Trump unintentionally gave the left the blueprint for that tactic with bump stocks. Just how far could Biden potentially take such measures? Would they withstand the courts? It would seem if some liberal Federal judge in Hawaii could hamstring Trump every time he tried to do something, so could a Federal conservative judge from somewhere in flyover country. But if Biden can really order that the ATF declare semi-auto AR-15 type rifles as NFA items and if that sort of thing can survive the legal challenges, then we could be fucked if he wins and really wants to push this.

Of course the best outcome is for us to go vote in droves this November for Trump and republican senate candidates and encourage as many others as we can to go and do likewise. If we can pull off the win, we can stave off any such draconian gun control bullshit at the national level for at least another 4 years. I'd rather have that outcome than to test any of my theories in the first two paragraphs.
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 9:41:50 PM EDT
I lean left but looking at his website holy crap that's going too far. Like others have stated I doubt a lot of this will fly and it'll be political suicide for senators and reps to pass those proposals. If it does though, guess everyone has to find a faulty boat somewhere. I'm still not gonna vote for Trump because other issues take precedence over gun rights(ie human rights).
Link Posted: 8/7/2020 9:54:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I lean left but looking at his website holy crap that's going too far. Like others have stated I doubt a lot of this will fly and it'll be political suicide for senators and reps to pass those proposals. If it does though, guess everyone has to find a faulty boat somewhere. I'm still not gonna vote for Trump because other issues take precedence over gun rights(ie human rights).
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screen name fits....commie.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I lean left but looking at his website holy crap that's going too far. Like others have stated I doubt a lot of this will fly and it'll be political suicide for senators and reps to pass those proposals. If it does though, guess everyone has to find a faulty boat somewhere. I'm still not gonna vote for Trump because other issues take precedence over gun rights(ie human rights).
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I'm probably not going to change your mind. But I'd ask that you take a moment to think about human rights and how they might relate to gun rights. It is not a coincidence that the nations with the worst human rights violations in the world also happen to be nations where the citizens are prevented from owning guns. Sometimes the only way you can gain and secure rights are from the barrel of a gun. With a disarmed citizenry, the government could impose its will upon the populace and we'd have no means to resist. If we lose our gun rights we may ultimately end up with no rights.

But really where this is all heading is civil war. If those kind of draconian gun measures were to become law, that is going to be a serious red line crossing for many Americans. We all have a breaking point. I know that would be mine. If Biden pulls that kind of crap, it will ignite the power keg. And lots of people in this country will die and suffer horribly as a result. Look at any nation rocked by civil war and you will find despair and human rights violations everywhere you look. Do we want that here because a certain someone running for president is actually proposing such blatantly unconstitutional measures?
Link Posted: 8/8/2020 12:18:06 AM EDT
It’s neat how a guy that told a nation as VP to blindly shoot through a door is now telling the same nation he’s going to ban guns.

It’s like an extra kind of special.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I lean left but looking at his website holy crap that's going too far. Like others have stated I doubt a lot of this will fly and it'll be political suicide for senators and reps to pass those proposals. If it does though, guess everyone has to find a faulty boat somewhere. I'm still not gonna vote for Trump because other issues take precedence over gun rights(ie human rights).
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Well bless your little heart.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I lean left but looking at his website holy crap that's going too far. Like others have stated I doubt a lot of this will fly and it'll be political suicide for senators and reps to pass those proposals. If it does though, guess everyone has to find a faulty boat somewhere. I'm still not gonna vote for Trump because other issues take precedence over gun rights(ie human rights).
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DU is <====

Link Posted: 8/8/2020 1:04:18 AM EDT
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I don't understand are you trying to diss me? I voted Bush,Clinton,Bush, Obama, and skipped the last cause I didn't like either.

Contrary to popular belief and media most people are moderates and calling someone a commie for simply disagreeing with you is part of why we can't even have a productive conversation.

I'm going to gamble on the fact that it'll be political suicide and as Charging_Handle mentioned it'd cause Civil War. I'll keep voting for gun friendly Senators and Reps that'll block anything gun related Biden tries but I will not support that orange buffoon with zero empathy or class.

I doubt my blue vote is gonna matter in Texas regardless

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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
I don't see Biden being able to realistically accomplish much of that agenda, even if he manages to win and if the dems manage to take a razor thin senate majority. Even the extremely liberal Washington Post has put out an article talking about how bad Biden's gun agenda is to America's working class, a piece that honestly shocked me when I saw it. No republican is going to vote for that. And a good many democrats will not vote for that, especially those from purple states or districts where such a vote would effectively end their political careers. And even if the dems take the senate and all of them are in favor of such extreme measures, they still won't have a large enough majority to prevent a filibuster. So even in a worst case scenario, I don't see much of a realistic chance of most of those measures getting through congress and to Biden's desk, especially the more draconian ones.

The biggest danger will be what he might try to do with executive powers and the ATF if he is truly that committed to the cause. Getting the ATF to "re-interpret" a bunch of shit could cause some real problems. It is unfortunate in that regard that Trump unintentionally gave the left the blueprint for that tactic with bump stocks. Just how far could Biden potentially take such measures? Would they withstand the courts? It would seem if some liberal Federal judge in Hawaii could hamstring Trump every time he tried to do something, so could a Federal conservative judge from somewhere in flyover country. But if Biden can really order that the ATF declare semi-auto AR-15 type rifles as NFA items and if that sort of thing can survive the legal challenges, then we could be fucked if he wins and really wants to push this.

Of course the best outcome is for us to go vote in droves this November for Trump and republican senate candidates and encourage as many others as we can to go and do likewise. If we can pull off the win, we can stave off any such draconian gun control bullshit at the national level for at least another 4 years. I'd rather have that outcome than to test any of my theories in the first two paragraphs.
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Sooner or later, there's only going to be 1 box left at our disposal.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I don't understand are you trying to diss me? I voted Bush,Clinton,Bush, Obama, and skipped the last cause I didn't like either.

Contrary to popular belief and media most people are moderates and calling someone a commie for simply disagreeing with you is part of why we can't even have a productive conversation.

I'm going to gamble on the fact that it'll be political suicide and as Charging_Handle mentioned it'd cause Civil War. I'll keep voting for gun friendly Senators and Reps that'll block anything gun related Biden tries but I will not support that orange buffoon with zero empathy or class.

I doubt my blue vote is gonna matter in Texas regardless

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Personalities aside, whose agenda do you think would serve the nation better - Trump or Biden?
Link Posted: 8/8/2020 11:31:36 AM EDT
On the Biden policies some of these really stick out and make me laugh more than the others:

-End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts. (Nice, eliminate 10k+ jobs)

-Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns. Today, we have the technology to allow only authorized users to fire a gun. For example, existing smart gun technology requires a fingerprint match before use. Biden believes we should work to eventually require that 100% of firearms sold in the U.S. are smart guns. But, right now the NRA and gun manufacturers are bullying firearms dealers who try to sell these guns. Biden will stand up against these bullying tactics and issue a call to action for gun manufacturers, dealers, and other public and private entities to take steps to accelerate our transition to smart guns.

(Let me log into my iphone and unlock my gun so i can shoot it)

-Hold adults accountable for giving minors access to firearms. Biden supports legislation holding adults criminally and civilly liable for directly or negligently giving a minor access to a firearm, regardless of whether the minor actually gains possession of the firearm

(I have a couple unloaded bolt rifles (suppressed 22 and 300blk) around the house, kids wont touch them because they know better. If they want to shoot, they will ask and we go outside to shoot. I also keep a loaded AR by the bed......so because these are in my home where the children reside what are we saying here?)

All in all, I dont give a damn what some politician says or does, Im going to keep doing what I do (hunt, fish and protect my family at all costs) and the day someone has a problem with it we can settle it right then and there. Im almost 40 and this policy works just fine no matter who is in office.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
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PREACH! FUCK TRUMP. People act like he's some savior to the gun cause because he checks the Republican box. What the fuck has this asshat actually done for us. He's literally destroying our nation day in day out. You're ridiculous to think he's on your side, working for you.

You are literally number with a dollar sign to Trump and he'd cash your freedom in for a Russian Ruble at the drop of a hat. Don't be a fool and try to elect him again.
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PREACH! FUCK TRUMP. People act like he's some savior to the gun cause because he checks the Republican box. What the fuck has this asshat actually done for us. He's literally destroying our nation day in day out. You're ridiculous to think he's on your side, working for you.

You are literally number with a dollar sign to Trump and he'd cash your freedom in for a Russian Ruble at the drop of a hat. Don't be a fool and try to elect him again.
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Link Posted: 8/9/2020 4:17:17 PM EDT
Donald Trump didn't keep his pro gun campaign promises.  

Why are we assuming Biden will keep his anti gun campaign promises?  Is Biden more honorable than Trump?
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And that, my guy, is your god damn right.
Link Posted: 8/9/2020 10:02:47 PM EDT
HEY JOE!

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Originally Posted By BlueZ:

Also we should be posting this additionally on bitchute vimeo etc.. and our links on here only point to the,
No sense supporting a social media platform owned by the enemy any more beyond the absolute minimum necessary...
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We do post to Bitchute and other alternates, but those venues don't get eyeballs and that's what TNVC is paying for.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I lean left but looking at his website holy crap that's going too far. Like others have stated I doubt a lot of this will fly and it'll be political suicide for senators and reps to pass those proposals. If it does though, guess everyone has to find a faulty boat somewhere. I'm still not gonna vote for Trump because other issues take precedence over gun rights(ie human rights).
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Welcome. Thanks for joining and having the guts to post here. I'm not going to try to change your mind, but I do want to point out that gun rights ARE human rights.
Link Posted: 8/10/2020 2:42:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:


I'm probably not going to change your mind. But I'd ask that you take a moment to think about human rights and how they might relate to gun rights. It is not a coincidence that the nations with the worst human rights violations in the world also happen to be nations where the citizens are prevented from owning guns. Sometimes the only way you can gain and secure rights are from the barrel of a gun. With a disarmed citizenry, the government could impose its will upon the populace and we'd have no means to resist. If we lose our gun rights we may ultimately end up with no rights.

But really where this is all heading is civil war. If those kind of draconian gun measures were to become law, that is going to be a serious red line crossing for many Americans. We all have a breaking point. I know that would be mine. If Biden pulls that kind of crap, it will ignite the power keg. And lots of people in this country will die and suffer horribly as a result. Look at any nation rocked by civil war and you will find despair and human rights violations everywhere you look. Do we want that here because a certain someone running for president is actually proposing such blatantly unconstitutional measures?
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Well said. It all boils down to whether you trust the State with a monopoly on violence. Our founders didn't. And I'd say that the majority of people protesting police brutality over the last few months would have to admit they are also uncomfortable with a state monopoly on violence, if they were pressed.
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I don't understand are you trying to diss me? I voted Bush,Clinton,Bush, Obama, and skipped the last cause I didn't like either.

Contrary to popular belief and media most people are moderates and calling someone a commie for simply disagreeing with you is part of why we can't even have a productive conversation.

I'm going to gamble on the fact that it'll be political suicide and as Charging_Handle mentioned it'd cause Civil War. I'll keep voting for gun friendly Senators and Reps that'll block anything gun related Biden tries but I will not support that orange buffoon with zero empathy or class.

I doubt my blue vote is gonna matter in Texas regardless

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This.

I really want people to stop trying to mix their tribalism and other garbage in with my gun rights. Other issues matter, but you wouldn't start ranting about gun rights at a right to life rally, would you? Who am I kidding, some of them probably would. But the point is that it simply alienates potential enemies and paints all run rights advocates as a caricature of right wing lunacy. I probably disagree with you about a great number of things, but I don't want to talk about those until we solve gun rights.
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And if Covid is still running around no jail time, either unless you're a mass murderer.
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Donald Trump didn't keep his pro gun campaign promises.  

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Of course creepy Joe won't push too hard. If elected, he'll probably introduce a few bills, make a lot of noise about one in four years or so, and maybe issue a couple lukewarm EOs but he won't want to spend a lot of political capital on it. And as much as the Republicans suck at fighting for gun rights, if there is one thing they are committed to, it's stonewalling Democrat presidents so we should be able to count on a vigorous defense. Will Biden be a net positive for gun rights? Of course not. Will he be motivated and effective enough to do real damage? Meh, probably not.

On the other hand, how long do you think we can go on rewarding anti-gun politicians in the GOP by re-electing them before they stop even pretending to be pro-gun? We've pushed ourselves into a corner like a battered wife, where we feel like we are dependent on our abuser. There isn't a good answer here.

And on yet another hand, judges. But we've been told we have to vote for anti-gun red team candidates for years because judges and SCOTUS is STILL refusing to grant cert, so what does it even matter?
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And if Covid is still running around no jail time, either unless you're a mass murderer.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
After the first felony, the rest are free.

And if Covid is still running around no jail time, either unless you're a mass murderer.



Unrelated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=drill+press&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
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I've seen some astonishing implied definitions for "communist" posted on this site - there are some doozies - likely penned by folks who know more about chemical constituency of Pluto then they evidently know about "communism" and "communists", but this one is pretty funny... Evidently I've really missed a lot in studying Karl Marx and what he wrote way back when in ca 1848 about the socio-economic model encapsulated in "The Communist Manifesto" (Marx & Engels) and in "Das Kapital" (K. Marx), as I don't recall either publication mentioning anything about someone saying that he/she won't vote for Trump (in 2020) being any sort of definition for or criterion for being a "communist".

Name-calling is always pretty stupid-sounding. Calling people names which you appear to know nothing about ref their meaning doesn't make you appear intelligent or learned. Just saying!
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Originally Posted By Mutemath:
I don't understand are you trying to diss me? I voted Bush,Clinton,Bush, Obama, and skipped the last cause I didn't like either.

Contrary to popular belief and media most people are moderates and calling someone a commie for simply disagreeing with you is part of why we can't even have a productive conversation.

I'm going to gamble on the fact that it'll be political suicide and as Charging_Handle mentioned it'd cause Civil War. I'll keep voting for gun friendly Senators and Reps that'll block anything gun related Biden tries but I will not support that orange buffoon with zero empathy or class.

I doubt my blue vote is gonna matter in Texas regardless

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I am so with you, Mutemath!  Exactly my dilemma come Nov...  I don't like either of them. The Orange One is NOBODY's champion or friend and he is a disaster. Sadly, I don't think Joe is anything worth endorsing, either. And come Nov, voting Dem will mean voting for a VP who the DNC hopes to shoe in come 2024... When we had no say about who that VP will be.
Link Posted: 8/13/2020 1:26:12 AM EDT
I stopped watching when he said that We should welcome left leaning gun owners into the fold.

Are you people really that fucking stupid?

Left leaning gun owners own guns because they want to be able to kill right leaning gun owners. That's the only reason.

Why would you think that people who have no respect for The Rights of Man would side with you when the APC pulls into your driveway?

You're an irredeemable deplorable. Figure that much out!
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
I don't see Biden being able to realistically accomplish much of that agenda, even if he manages to win and if the dems manage to take a razor thin senate majority. Even the extremely liberal Washington Post has put out an article talking about how bad Biden's gun agenda is to America's working class, a piece that honestly shocked me when I saw it. No republican is going to vote for that. And a good many democrats will not vote for that, especially those from purple states or districts where such a vote would effectively end their political careers. And even if the dems take the senate and all of them are in favor of such extreme measures, they still won't have a large enough majority to prevent a filibuster. So even in a worst case scenario, I don't see much of a realistic chance of most of those measures getting through congress and to Biden's desk, especially the more draconian ones.

The biggest danger will be what he might try to do with executive powers and the ATF if he is truly that committed to the cause. Getting the ATF to "re-interpret" a bunch of shit could cause some real problems. It is unfortunate in that regard that Trump unintentionally gave the left the blueprint for that tactic with bump stocks. Just how far could Biden potentially take such measures? Would they withstand the courts? It would seem if some liberal Federal judge in Hawaii could hamstring Trump every time he tried to do something, so could a Federal conservative judge from somewhere in flyover country. But if Biden can really order that the ATF declare semi-auto AR-15 type rifles as NFA items and if that sort of thing can survive the legal challenges, then we could be fucked if he wins and really wants to push this.

Of course the best outcome is for us to go vote in droves this November for Trump and republican senate candidates and encourage as many others as we can to go and do likewise. If we can pull off the win, we can stave off any such draconian gun control bullshit at the national level for at least another 4 years. I'd rather have that outcome than to test any of my theories in the first two paragraphs.
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They might get rid of the filibuster.
If not yes I don't think they will have 60 votes to support massive gun control.
They well may have 51.
I am concerned.
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