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Posted: 1/13/2006 10:19:06 AM EDT

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Just tell them that you want more thrusts per squeeze.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:20:15 AM EDT

[#2]

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i don't even like to get into those conversations. we all know what the real use (need) for one is, but people who ask these questions are usually too biggoted, or too myopic, to see and accept the truth.

if you try to explain that it's the most appropriate weapon for defending against "enemies foreign and domestic", they think you are a whack-job. hell, even people here do, and we're "gun people"...

until as someone pointed out
hurricane katrina

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:20:56 AM EDT

[#3]

The correct answer is to invite them out shooting.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:21:28 AM EDT

[#4]

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Reply: "Why would anyone want to have Gay sex? It isn't like you can have a baby or anything?"

That might reach him.

That answer would certainly work in Massachusetts.....

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:23:37 AM EDT

[#5]

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Because hunting rifles aren't necessarily protected by the Second Amendment. Machine guns, however, are weaponry that is commonly utilized by the 'militia;' therefore ownership is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

^

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:25:29 AM EDT

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Health reasons, prevents carpal tunnel syndrome of the trigger finger vs pulling trigger each time on a semi auto

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:27:34 AM EDT

[#7]

Ban the Ferrari!

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:28:56 AM EDT

[#8]

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Because we can

While it seems like a valid answer to the rest of the board, it doesn't ring home for the rest of the country. I've been looking for a good answer for a long time.

"As an American, I like things that go fast. I like fast cars and I like fast firearms."
"Machineguns are just plain fun!"
Obviously you have never fired one or you would not ask such a question"

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:31:57 AM EDT

[#9]

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They will ask, "What are you going to do with that? What do you need that for? Guns are only for killing people." The ironic thing is most likely, though in not all cases, they will be pro abortion... abortions are only for killing babies.

This IS the point. Guns are for killing people - the tyrannical governmental ones. Your friend needs to understand how this puts a check on government. You can always tell something about a country by whether the guns are pointed from the government towards the people, or from the people towards the government.

IME, when you tell them that, most suburbanites will just say, "You're insane."

There's no getting through to these people.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:33:27 AM EDT

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Because they are way too much fun to play with. Especially with a beta mag.

No pics with the beta...

Your husband's a very lucky man, ma'am. If you ever have kids, you'll be a great mom.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:33:43 AM EDT

[#11]

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They will ask, "What are you going to do with that? What do you need that for? Guns are only for killing people." The ironic thing is most likely, though in not all cases, they will be pro abortion... abortions are only for killing babies.

This IS the point. Guns are for killing people - the tyrannical governmental ones. Your friend needs to understand how this puts a check on government. You can always tell something about a country by whether the guns are pointed from the government towards the people, or from the people towards the government.

IME, when you tell them that, most suburbanites will just say, "You're insane."

There's no getting through to these people.

the sheeple might come begging for help if the shtf aka H5N1

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:34:24 AM EDT

[#12]

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The correct answer is to invite them out shooting.

Good point.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:38:18 AM EDT

[#13]

because I've got a closet full of ammo and I need the space?

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:56:33 AM EDT

[#14]

"I need a machinegun because it is too much work to put someone in my Oldsmobile, drive it into a lake, wait there to make sure they drown, leave, and then wait until the next day for someone to discover the body. Just shooting them is more efficient."

Posted: 1/13/2006 11:00:07 AM EDT

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...........this was the response i got from a co-worker regarding Alito's stance on machine guns....

in SC?

Posted: 1/13/2006 11:00:50 AM EDT

[#16]

Mostly, because it is incredibly fun!!
I have never seen anyone walk away from a full-auto mag dump with anything less than a huge grin on their face.

Machine guns are not your best choice for killing people - not unless you're in the middle of a large crowd. Your best choice for killing people is well-aimed individual shots. If you are in the middle of a crowd your best choice is a bomb. This is regularly proven by current events.

People who think machine guns have no place in society are well indoctrinated.

Posted: 1/13/2006 11:09:55 AM EDT

[#17]

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...........this was the response i got from a co-worker regarding Alito's stance on machine guns....

in SC?

sadly, every state has their share of asshats

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:02:40 PM EDT

[#18]

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The correct argument here is to explain that

(A) machine guns are a lot of fun. Why would any American want a swimming pool? A fast car? A boat? A trampoline?

(B) machine guns don't pose a real risk to the rest of society. Compare, for example, the number of people (children!) who drown in their pools vs the number of people killed every year by machine guns. Ask your co-worker how many people in America were killed by machine guns in 1985 (the year before the ban).

If your coworker's response is "we should ban swimming pools (for the children)", then you can't really have a discussion with them.

(A) probably is the best response to the question. It addresses a weak attempt by some to question the practical use of a machine gun. If one is not a commercial fisherman, for example, then why does one need a boat? Simple.

However, I disagree with your closing sentence, that if the person wants to ban swimming pools, essentially ignore them. Actually, such a person, who took an initiating stance against guns should be ENCOURAGED to go off on a campaign to ban swimming pools. Ditto with others, and other items, such as trampolines.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:34:30 PM EDT

[#19]

Tell him it isn't the problem of owning a machine gun or not owning a machine gun,it's the RIGHT to CHOOSE to do so. Why do people have flashy cars that go 200 mph? Why do people climb mountians? Why do people go on vacation? Because to those people that is part of living and it's something they enjoy doing. The same can be said for owning a machine gun,a bass boat or a remote control airplane.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:49:01 PM EDT

[#20]

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They will ask, "What are you going to do with that? What do you need that for? Guns are only for killing people." The ironic thing is most likely, though in not all cases, they will be pro abortion... abortions are only for killing babies.

This IS the point. Guns are for killing people - the tyrannical governmental ones. Your friend needs to understand how this puts a check on government. You can always tell something about a country by whether the guns are pointed from the government towards the people, or from the people towards the government.

IME, when you tell them that, most suburbanites will just say, "You're insane."

There's no getting through to these people.

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That's true. My answer is, "yes, when it becomes necessary." ANd, as you said, they will be sure I'm insane. Fine, when they are attacked, I can be helpless, too, and will be.

Another good answer, though it is in a gray area, is, that I don't harm animals. This is for those who think hunting guns are OK, just not self-defense. I waited like a spider for antis who supported Kerry: I said I would have voted for him, but when he put on a big show of dragging those geese he had just killed, by the neck, to show what a great man he was, my stomach turned and I was disgusted. He did all that, of course, to show he was harmless to gun owners, so I hoped it got back to the campaign and they would stop that. Nothing like putting them between a rock and a hard place.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:57:48 PM EDT

[#21]

Because they founding father WANTED the PEOPLE to be armed to check the government from becoming too powerful... the simple reason is because the constitution ALLOWS us to... but modern courts and judges have re-written or legislated laws against it....

The people MUST always be allowed to posses weapons that can put down an over zealost governing body if needed...

Posted: 1/13/2006 1:02:08 PM EDT

[#22]

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Because we can

EXACTLY...

ETA...basically i explained to him that it was legal in the state of SC to legally own Class III weapons, he then went on to say there was no practical use...etc..etc...

What is this Class III weapon you are refering to?

I thought Class III was a dealer not a weapon.
I also thought that Machine Guns were NFA weapons.

Posted: 1/13/2006 1:13:57 PM EDT

[#23]

If someone asked me why would someone want/need a machine gun. I would ask him, Why do black people want/need to vote? I mean really, its their right, why wouldn't they want to?

Poll taxes = Tax stamps

Of course I work third shift and haven't gone to sleep yet. Maybe I'm just saying crazy things!

Smalls

Posted: 1/13/2006 1:15:16 PM EDT

[#24]

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Because they founding father WANTED the PEOPLE to be armed to check the government from becoming too powerful... the simple reason is because the constitution ALLOWS us to... but modern courts and judges have re-written or legislated laws against it....

The people MUST always be allowed to posses weapons that can put down an over zealost governing body if needed...

Finally!!

The Constitution was written to provide for the security of individual rights. Our founding fathers knew the dangers of a government that was far better armed than its citizens. Sure shooting automatic weapons is fun. But I don't have any weapon just because it is fun. They are tools which should be used to protect and preserve your freedom.

I still say we do ourselves a disservice by taking the "sporting" route defense. We should take the "Nation of Rifleman" approach. It is our duty as citizens of these great United States to be as prepared for its defense as our Forefathers were.

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:37:36 PM EDT

[#25]

why would any American want a machine gun

Your response to this person? "Because they want one like you want a hard one up the ass."

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:39:36 PM EDT

[#26]

Because I am an American Man....not a sissy girl who is afraid of everything!

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:47:57 PM EDT

[#27]

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And your answer was..............?

Why would one NOT?!?

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:50:00 PM EDT

[#28]

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Because we can

You need to go into more detail than that if you seriously intend to educate someone. Because if they DON'T believe that you "can" or "should be able to", than they'll make sure they'll pass the laws that ensure that you "can't". Don't act like you are preaching to the choir here at AR15. You'll come off as smart-alecky.

90% of this board can't stand you when it comes to LE issues, so what choir do you speak of?

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:53:15 PM EDT

[#29]

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Because we can

EXACTLY...

ETA...basically i explained to him that it was legal in the state of SC to legally own Class III weapons, he then went on to say there was no practical use...etc..etc...

What is this Class III weapon you are refering to?

I thought Class III was a dealer not a weapon.
I also thought that Machine Guns were NFA weapons.

maybe you are right, i've always referred to it as that, no problem to correct me if i'm wrong.

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:56:33 PM EDT

[#30]

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Reply: "Why would anyone want to have ~~Gay~~oral sex? It isn't like you can have a baby or anything?"

That might reach him.

Now that we all know what occupies your thoughts, I fixed it for you by removing the unnecessary gayness.

Posted: 1/13/2006 2:58:20 PM EDT

[#31]

Well, I figured the guy asking the question was proabaly Gay so I was hoping it might hit closer to home for him.

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:00:23 PM EDT

[#32]

to burn thru 10 bucks in 20 seconds.

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:01:39 PM EDT

[#33]

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To shoot stuff with...

To convert money into fire, noise, and smoke.

God I love this answer.......

Later,

Badredfish

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:03:23 PM EDT

[#34]

My response to someone who said that would be, "Why WOULDN'T you want something as cool as that? Your brain's fun center would have to be broken not to want one! "

CJ

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:04:54 PM EDT

[#35]

I would have asked why we needed to ban/regulate the shit out of machine guns, silencers etc. Public safety? Once he opens that door let him have it. He will either be calling for a ban on cars, stairs and kitchen knives by the end of the day or come to his senses.

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:14:21 PM EDT

[#36]

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Why is it people are so obsesed with "need" when refereing to machine guns? or anything for that matter?

I hate the idea of NEED ONLY.

Exactly; need doesn't create a rigth to anything, nor does lack of need eliminate rights.

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:15:30 PM EDT

[#37]

Have you ever gone to the county fair and tried to shoot out the star with the BB machine gun?

If you have, try adding loud noises and the smell of gunpowder...

Now you've got something.

Seriously though, I want the same weapons that could be used against me.

I know, I know, frightening.

GM

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:22:58 PM EDT

[#38]

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...........this was the response i got from a co-worker regarding Alito's stance on machine guns....

in SC?

Tis true, fellow ARFCOMmers. I work with Marc1979 and was privy to the same email exchange. The "man" in question has been to the range. Not sure if Marcus wants to elaborate on that fun story

This guy is all about practical. He used to lecture me that because I was a divorced, single mom I didn't need a Bronco. How very impractical of me to get such a vehicle! My response was, "Its what I want, I can get it, its mine."

I feel the same about machine guns. If I want it, and I can afford it...then its mine.

Trust me guys, and fellow women, the person who said this is the definition of a$$hat.

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:24:17 PM EDT

[#39]

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...........this was the response i got from a co-worker regarding Alito's stance on machine guns....

So we can have a full on War-gasm.....

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrapppppp!!!

Oh god, YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:29:53 PM EDT

[#40]

Libtard/commie/hippie/socialist: "Why would you want to own a machine gun?"

Gusafterhearingthisonetoomanytimes: "Because Fuck You, that's why."

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:48:57 PM EDT

[#41]

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Because we can

EXACTLY...

ETA...basically i explained to him that it was legal in the state of SC to legally own Class III weapons, he then went on to say there was no practical use...etc..etc...

There is no practical use for a Ferrari either. Why would anyone want one?

Posted: 1/13/2006 3:55:37 PM EDT

[#42]

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And your answer was..............?

So I can kill every muthafucker in the room.

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:17:11 PM EDT

[#43]

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Because we can

You need to go into more detail than that if you seriously intend to educate someone. Because if they DON'T believe that you "can" or "should be able to", than they'll make sure they'll pass the laws that ensure that you "can't". Don't act like you are preaching to the choir here at AR15. You'll come off as smart-alecky.

Why would anyone want a free press, to petition their gov't for a redress of grievances, to write a play with "deviant" and "subversive" gay themes.......... etc, etc, etc.

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:18:03 PM EDT

[#44]

If people can own machine guns in 3rd world countries by golly I should have one too.

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:21:43 PM EDT

[#45]

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Why would an American want a Corvette or Ferrari or Viper or...

Nevermind the fact that it's a free fucking country and our firearms rights are not supposed to be infringed on period.

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Your co-worker is asking a rhetorical question. What they really mean is this:

"The only reason why I think anyone would want to own a machine gun is to shoot people, rob banks, break the law, etc."

+1

They will ask, "What are you going to do with that? What do you need that for? Guns are only for killing people." The ironic thing is most likely, though in not all cases, they will be pro abortion... abortions are only for killing babies.

+1.

Our Right to FA is merely excercising our Freedom of Choice.

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:29:44 PM EDT

[#46]

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New Orleans on September 2, 2005.

+ L.A. Riots
+ many hurricanes in Florida
+ ad infinitum
+ ad nauseum
==============
My justification

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:35:41 PM EDT

[#47]

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They will ask, "What are you going to do with that? What do you need that for? Guns are only for killing people." The ironic thing is most likely, though in not all cases, they will be pro abortion... abortions are only for killing babies.

This IS the point. Guns are for killing people - the tyrannical governmental ones. Your friend needs to understand how this puts a check on government. You can always tell something about a country by whether the guns are pointed from the government towards the people, or from the people towards the government.

Liberals are, at best, short-sighted. And <mr_garrison>"EVIL, evil right down to their cold black hearts which pump not blood like yours or mine, but rather a thick, vomitous oil that oozes through their rotten veins and clots in their pea-sized brains."</mr_garrison>

They don't trust the government and/or military (especially not under GWB), yet they want to give them a monopoly on the use of force in this country. For people who whine on and on about "sustainability," this model is not sustainable in the least. <mr_garrison>"Do you understand?"</mr_garrison>

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:38:57 PM EDT

[#48]

I would be happy if just 922(o) was repealed.
tc would be happy, and I can get a UMP.

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:42:16 PM EDT

[#49]

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why would any American want a machine gun?

The voices in my head told me I'll be needing it soon.

Posted: 1/13/2006 4:48:35 PM EDT

[#50]

to collect,I would love a FN FAl in original select fire condition,,,,wish in one hand and Sh*t in the other.....I still dream about it though(said Firearm)and the funds to own one

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