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The problem, sir, is that government has no business educating it's own citizens. It is a centralization black hole. Diversity of thought is key to the health of the Republic. Children for the last century have been achieving the uniform sameness that characterizes a litter of pigs. If you cannot recognize the sheer size of the establishment vs what little it accomplishes you have been completely blinded. |
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There aren't any. Go pick on Geoge Washington or Nathaniel Bowdich. Perhaps Patrick Henry needed a little Ritalin. |
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Agreed. Small, local community schools have a niche. The problem is the entire society has migrated toward the idea that what was once a meager hand out of an education is expected from the state and it has grown to not only become the norm, but is a self-fueling monster. When you look at what it (public education) sucks out of the economy and the power the establishment wields, it rivals the industrial/defence establishment (at least that has a basis in the Constitution). Good people make it through despite the system, not because of it. And I agree that you can't do anything if the parents don't dicipline and the school is not allowed to. Those people dig ditches and pick crops when they want to eat. Of course, nature is no longer allowed to take it's course in our half-socialist republic. |
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Again, I agree not ALL are mind numbed robots. You seem quite articulate and civil! |
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Just a few points…
The public school system is what it is...You have good and you have bad. School districts can offer a world of opportunity to students but if the parents are not involved it doesn’t mean jack. Sadly enough we live in an age where parents don't really invest much time in their kids learning. They can take them to ball practice 5 times a week, but you tell them their kid needs to study a certain skill more and it’s pulling teeth. If you live in an area that is served by a substandard ISD you have a few choices available to you...Move to a better school district, put them in private school, or do nothing but sit back and complain. I moved into a nice home in a top notch ISD. The school thing was a priority for me. I might add that I do not even have any kids at this time. If the system goes to craps before my kids get in school it’s off to private school. The way I look at it is that it is my sole responsibility to my sure my kid has been given all the opportunities I can possibly provide to them. A lot of the new educators out there are people that truly want the best for your kids. My wife is an educator for the past 5 years. She graduated from a prestigious private school in Houston (Summa Cum Laude I might add ). She could have made much more in another field, however teaching kids is her passion. One trip to her school will confirm the many new teachers who are passionate about teaching. BTW in regards to the “teaching the test” subject. Teachers and the Admin typically are the ones fighting this concept tooth and nail. The .gov is the source for this idiotic thinking. This concept was not put into place by willing ISD’s, but rather the morons in our government. Remember the .gov has the $$$. This was a whiplash type response to past issues. I don’t know if everyone remembers not so long ago kids in poor neighborhoods were being promoted and graduating not being able to read or write. One final comment… To all you teachers out there…My hat’s off to you for the work you do. |
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Is reading comprehension better at homeschools? By the way, it is spelled "Nathaniel Bowditch" not " Nathaniel Bowdich." |
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glad someone else watched john stossell besides me! all this whiny bullshit about "quality of inner city students" and "fixing the family unit" it's all about quality teachers and quality administrations, none of which we get with the state run edumakashun system. why is it that cities with vouchers see a sharp rise in the test scores of inner city students? cuz the schools with the good teachers suddenly find themselves deluged with homies actually wanting to learn and get ahead. give parents portability and choice and you get smarter kids and better paid and motivated teachers. next time your county wants to spend money on schools try finding out how the money will be spent. you'd be surprised how much goes to administrative services like building nice new schools with real nice teachers lounges and nice plush modernistic administrative offices. |
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My 2 cents.
My mom was a teacher for 30 years, an administrator with a very large school district, and her last job in education was the principle of a private elementary school. Additionally, she was president of her AFT Chapter. she demanded that I go to public schools and not follow the hypocritical path that many took sending their kids to private schools. I did well and was a national merit finalist. My first semester at West Point I got hammered. I was failing every class half way through and barely eeked out a 2.3. I was about 3.0 for the rest of my time there. Public education completely failed to prepare me for a real education. How to fix? Step 1. The decline of public education has matched, quite nicely, the creation of the Department of Education. Kill it. Its a waste of time and money. Districts need more control and districts need to be smaller. The federal government has zero mandate to control education. Step 2. Quit pretending that every kid is going to go to college. Every other western country has a much stronger vo-tech program to actually teach kids marketable trades so when they leave school, they can get a real job. Step 3. The right to education stops when the kid stops performing. Too many parents see school as free day care, and not education. If the kid can't keep up. the kid is no longer in school. If parents knew they were going to lose their free day care, they might start giving a shit. Step 4. Good parenting can overcome whatever a shitty school throws at a student. If you don't like the product of public education, look at yourself first. |
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It still happens and it was never confined to poor neighborhoods. |
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There's some pretty good posts in this thread.
I have a son in the 9th grade of public school. Public school was a concious decision on my part wanting my son to have a perspective on the cross section of different people. I've often regretted it. Once in the system, its almost impossible to get out of the system. I based this decision in part on my personal experience in school which I found to be in error on my part. Public school had changed so much over the years I had no idea. Its like paradox in time in the fact that two basic problems feed on themselves to the mutural detrement of the whole. Its amazing how many single parent children there are with little or no home life. This creates an attitude in teachers, I never dreamed of. Many are like workers on an assembly line making an inferior product. They know it and it impacts their motivation. The vicious cycle feeds on its self by a social engineering agenda through government that encourages single parenting and socialist standards. What's the solution? Why more government intervention. Now in many schools instead of educating they are training for the TCAP tests or whatever the state calls their state examination. In an effort to insure a minimum level of education they insure a minimum level and discourage creativity. Where in my youth a parent could let their child go to school and enjoy a discussion on what they learned each day. Now a parent has to fill in the gaps of what they didn't learn or point out how what they learned was slanted by political motivation. The whole time one must keep in mind that testing will be on the schools version and where too much information was good in the past, its not today. The social direction in the schools is mind boggling with typically the advantage going to girls, the top of the economic ladder, and the bottom. The system encourages the problem that feeds the student problem. In its quest to not offend and normalize the not normal, it perpetuates the not normal. Then the school has to deal with the not normal. Its a vicious cycle. The whole thing is so frustrating at times you want to scream. Subjects have been dumbed down to push social agendas or cater to the bottom so much that public school is home schooling. To watch a child that reads at home, writes his own stories, has an IQ of 140, and aborbs history and science like a sponge do medocre in school something has to be wrong. Get involved they say so you get involved. The only involvement they want is your time and money forget input on curicullum for that's the mystical states area. How a citizen is to behave is foremost in the social agenda. You only have two choices sheep or wolf. Sheep dog is not on the agenda and will be punished right with the wolf. Let your child be attacked and he dares to fight back then he is punished right with the offender. This is policy this is social engineering at its finest. Individual achievement has been replaced by group achievement. There's no I in team has taken a new meaning as share becomes you buy it but must give it up. You want to fix the schools? Quit telling the children being on welfare is cool. It has to stop somewhere and though this generation is lost there is always the next. If you social engineer design success not glorify failure. Tj |
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I do apologize for my mistakes. I had been up since 4am and was a little rummy. BTW I only spent about the last 5 years of my primary education in home school. My mother yanked my sister and I after she realized that they had screwed up my math placement twice in jr high leaving me a year behind and my sister was languishing in third grade unable to read or count without use of her fingers. Now I am a commercial pilot and aircraft airworthiness inspector and she is a spanish and sign language teacher and interpreter. I have seen both sides. BTW I also missed the R in George Washington. I type poorly on little sleep. |
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Yeah it sucks as a parent who is very involved with their childs schooling I can't stand it. I have 2 teachers in the familly, 2 that are friends and meet regularly with my kids teachers.
In NY and FL I know this to be true... Each year they add more and more information at the various grade levels that the teachers have to get across. The kids have less and less time to do the work. Phy Ed and Art/Music programs are being cut to make room and the kids to not get enough practive and repetition in the fundementals, before being pushed with more advanced topics. Over 5 years on of my kids fomer teachers taught grade K and 1st. Neither were getting any home work sent home all work was at school. Now the K are getting 30 minutes of homework every night and 1st graders close to an hour, and art/music/phys ed are cut way back. I hear similar things from my familly and friends. In FL we have the FCAT which is a feel good money making scam. They add material each year so the teachers have to by new books each year from the people who make the test. Plus if a kid does all A's all year and for some reason bombs the test they are held back. No questions no common sense. If they need to stay back or not they have to. I don't blame the teachers at all I blame the people who make the rules. Some teachers like anyone are bad but most that I have met are at least capable. They have very little power. Public schools should be eliminated and all schools should be privately owned. Gov't schools have failed and no matter how much money we shovel at them they continue to get worse. The destruction of the familly unit, Illegals, and Welfare guidelines are also other major problems. Deport illegals and seal off the boarders. Give larger tax credits to 2 parent 1 worker families, Reduce welfare benefits for each additional child that is had, rather than the oposite, and put in the program some kind of credit for parents staying together. (I'd love to eliminate welfare entirely but that wouldbe a good first step). Then privatize the schools. Lots of problems would be diminished or disappear in a few years of this. |
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Let me start by saying I am sure there are some good, dedicated teachers out there. If you're one of them, good for you. I've heard many stories of dedicated teachers being frustrated at the lack of support from administrators, having no authority to administer discipline, and a multitude of other conditions that make teaching an exercise in futility.
Now that my disclaimer is out of the way, I think the most common form of child abuse in this country is parents sending their kids to government schools. |
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This is the key. I live in a good area. My children's public school is quite good. My wife is very involved with volunteering at the school, so when it comes time to pick next years teacher she knows who is best. We have, consequently, been very pleased with the public education of our child. Kent |
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The problem, sir, is that government has no business educating it's own citizens. It is a centralization black hole. Diversity of thought is key to the health of the Republic. Children for the last century have been achieving the uniform sameness that characterizes a litter of pigs. If you cannot recognize the sheer size of the establishment vs what little it accomplishes you have been completely blinded.
Planerench: Do you understand why the government is so involved in the public educational system????? Until the middle of the 20th century most school systems were run at the LOCAL level. The system primarily devised its own curriculum, rules of operation etc. With the passage legslative measures, local schools were forced to comply with federal mandates. In addition more local citizens did not want to pay the increasing costs of educating the local population and as a result the state and local governments became more involved. As a result of the increased financial involvment of government, it had more power in determining what was taught and to whom. The government was permitted to have more involvment due to the fact that they were paying the bills and this is why the state and federal government became more involved in the educational process. I hope this clarifies how and why the state and federal government has become so involved in education. |
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