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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:21:47 AM EDT
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Personally, I do and always have hated Halloween.
But hey, if the kids are having some safe fun, what's the harm? I never once felt any kind of sinister undertone. It's people acting stupid. Heck, the Congress does it all the time, and we PAY them to do it! 
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:28:21 AM EDT
[#2]
The JWs ruined my childhood...
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:31:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, whatever you do, don't "observe" Halloween. The devil might git ya...  People actually worry about stuff like this? Well yes you remember the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings boycotts right? |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:33:57 AM EDT
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Well yes you remember the Harry Potter Lord of the Rings boycotts right? 
Yeah, I laughed at those idiots, too. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:42:18 AM EDT
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Yeah, you conveniently left out the pagan celtic end of summer celebration. Dressing up in costumes was to ward off evil spirits and part of this tradition. Jack-o-lanterns are also part of this tradition. Everyone is free to do what they want, but do not pretend that it is a christian holiday. Christmas is based on various pre-Christian winter festivals. Don't pretend that it is a Christian holiday. You thought that was going to get to me, but you miscalculated because I am well aware of that and agree with your statement, though you meant it sarcastically. ETA: As I said before, you are free to do what you want, but do not pretend that the days are anythng but pagan holidays that were hijacked by Catholicism to accommodate converts with these traditions. Also, I find your defensiveness interesting. I simply pointed out historical fact. Why you would take such personal offense at that is curious. Simply because it is not "historical fact". Nothing was "highjacked." People tend to retain folk beliefs and traditions when they adopt new philosophies and religions. I know many an athiest who put up Christmas trees every year and exchange gifts.. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:43:27 AM EDT
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IBMTRF
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:45:11 AM EDT
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No, because the church turned it in to a holiday way back. November 1st is the day you pray for the saints, so the church made the day before the day you would pray for the dead. Mexico is really into this you know. eta: dam im slow. someone beat me way back there and had a quote. If you mean the Church, the Roman Catholic Church, thats only one segment of people who label themselves as Christian. If you mentioned praying to saints to an Evangelical, they'd have a stroke. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:49:46 AM EDT
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No, because the church turned it in to a holiday way back. November 1st is the day you pray for the saints, so the church made the day before the day you would pray for the dead. Mexico is really into this you know. eta: dam im slow. someone beat me way back there and had a quote. Day of the Dead is November 2, the day AFTER All-Saints Day. The last day in October has no special Roman Catholic significance. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:52:10 AM EDT
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Man I love Arfcom, I'll not talk about how "Halloween" was brought over to this country because I don't care to type that much but.... As a Christian am I not allowed to watch Rosemary's Baby because of it's Satanic undertones? Actually, in the Evangelical Baptist church I was raised in, you most certainly would have been frownedd upon if you chose to watch Rosemarys Baby, as it was a R rated movie.To this day, my parents wouldn't consider going to an R rated movie. In fact, the congregation would have frowned on you going to any theatrical release, since they seriously believed that the same people making Snow White, Rosemarys Baby,etc etc were the same industry making porn movies. Just as you wouldn't have been allowed to play a song on stage accompanied by an accoustic guitar because that was considered a rock n' roll instrument. No dancing, no non-medicinal alcohol, no cards, etc etc etc I didn't go to a wedding that had any dancing or alcohol at the reception til I was in my late 20s. That was just "normal" when I was growing up. edit: those of you who consider yourselves more moderate Christians don't understand that the Evangelicals don't consider you to be real Christians. You also don't understand just how much they would intrude in your personal life if they ever regained any real dominance. You think the Taliban is bad? |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:53:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: No moreso that Christmas (a pagan holiday) Full retard, you have gone it. The fact that days used to celebrate heathen events were co-opted by the Christian faith to celebrate religious days does not make the Christian celebrations pagan. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:54:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: what say you arfcom... is it wrong? Dumbest question that isn't about birthers or any 9/11 conspiracies. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:55:04 AM EDT
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Absolutely wrong, if you have been convicted of it by the Holy Spirit. Absolutely no problem with it, if you have no conviction about it. Usually for the Christian if you are questioning if there is anything wrong with it you should be asking is there anything right with it? The committed Christian errs on the side of safety.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:56:14 AM EDT
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As long as it's not in WORSHIP of any sort of pagan thing, or your festivities are not glorifying to evil, the dead, stuff like that, then what is the big deal? EVERY Western Christian holiday is placed on a former pagan holiday intentionally by the original missionaries to Western Europe in the first couple of centuries AD.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 5:58:43 AM EDT
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Eh, I dont care who celebrates Halloween. Crazy stuff all day and night, on this day anything goes––-
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:02:36 AM EDT
[#15]
Technically, it IS wrong.
But like everything else, it's forgivable. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:07:31 AM EDT
[#16]
All these holidays have been so commercialized, I don't think it even matters anymore unless you're a strict follower of your religion. I'd say just go have fun.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:08:35 AM EDT
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i fail to see where morality should become a factor less you are committing evil in your celebration So...is it okay to smear myself with the blood of virgins in the nude under the moon on Halloween, or not? I'm kind of confused. I guess it depends on just how you aquired the blood of virgins.... Otherwise its not really that confusing. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:08:36 AM EDT
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I'm not a huge fan of Halloween, and, frankly, not a huge fan of Christmas, but have learned that my objections cause more harm than good, so while we avoid Halloween (I'll be in CO hunting this year anyway.....not many trick-or-treaters come to tents in the mountains) I just bite my tongue on Christmas. Haven't had a tree in years, wife wants one this year, she'll probably get it. Now I know I ain't been online much lately............................last I checked you didn't have you one of them. 
Congrats. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:13:15 AM EDT
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It depends on what your intentions are or your belief about it. Taking the kids out "trick or treating" is no different than watching the Harry Potter films. If you don't believe in black magic side of it then it's just harmless fun. If you do it as a yearly ritual and it hold some sort of importance to you, then you might have a problem.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:14:56 AM EDT
[#20]
I think Christians should reclaim the holiday with festive witch burnings.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:16:19 AM EDT
[#21]
Burn halloween costumes!!!!
For the children? |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:27:26 AM EDT
[#22]
Halloween is wrong.
Evil and wrong. No Christian who takes part in it will go to heaven. It's a ticket straight to hell. In fact, if you look deeper into this so called holiday, you will find it's a jew conspiracy. You know why I know? Because candy companies are owned by jews and some dentists are jews. Selling us the very poison that rots our children's teeth, and fixing the cavities that our children get for money. FOR MONEY!!! Ghastly evil....... |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:34:01 AM EDT
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I think Christians should reclaim the holiday with festive witch burnings. +1 |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:52:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:53:06 AM EDT
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um......no. My church's adult singles group has a Halloween party every year for crying out loud.
We rarely have someone dress up as a demon and the women don't dress as sluts, but we still have a Halloween party. But this is the whole point of adult halloween parties, why would they ruin halloween? 
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:21:17 AM EDT
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No moreso that Christmas (a pagan holiday) So you are saying that, Christmas, which is Latin meaning Christ Birth, is not a religious holiday. Perhaps you are getting Winter Solstice and Christmas mixed up. Pagans celebrated Winter Solstice on December 21ST, First day of winter. The Vatican created Christmas somewhere AROUND THE 15th Century. Besides only predominantly Christian nations celebrate Christmas. Muslim, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist do not. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:22:49 AM EDT
[#27]
unless they are actually doing pagan worship, then no.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:24:28 AM EDT
[#28]
I don't think it's wrong as far as the kids and dressing up goes but as far as worshiping and practicing the meaning behind Halloween isn't Christian
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:34:42 AM EDT
[#29]
I'm in to see where this one goes...
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:36:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
Halloween is wrong. Evil and wrong. No Christian who takes part in it will go to heaven. It's a ticket straight to hell. In fact, if you look deeper into this so called holiday, you will find it's a jew conspiracy. You know why I know? Because candy companies are owned by jews and some dentists are jews. Selling us the very poison that rots our children's teeth, and fixing the cavities that our children get for money. FOR MONEY!!! Ghastly evil....... I loled. 
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:41:08 AM EDT
[#31]
You can do whatever you want.
For me and my family, we have chosen (not because some church doctrine, etc tells us) to not be part of christmas, easter, and halloween. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:55:23 AM EDT
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No moreso that Christmas (a pagan holiday) So you are saying that, Christmas, which is Latin meaning Christ Birth, is not a religious holiday. Perhaps you are getting Winter Solstice and Christmas mixed up. Pagans celebrated Winter Solstice on December 21ST, First day of winter. The Vatican created Christmas somewhere AROUND THE 15th Century. Besides only predominantly Christian nations celebrate Christmas. Muslim, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist do not. Apparently, Yule for anglo saxons was around december 25th, yule monath, something to do with moon cycles and what not(adopted from christian calenders, but pagan in origin). Etc., according to some the cycle is in relation to the(moon or sun), which I do not know. But the anglo saxon became/becume quite christian, later. Anyways, we have winterfylleth, something to do with october(more to do with moon cycles) november(to do with slaughtering animals for preservation, blood month/blut monath). |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:08:30 AM EDT
[#33]
Fuck, Even Mayberry had trick or treaters.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:11:53 AM EDT
[#34]
Nothing wrong with having some fun...
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:17:33 AM EDT
[#35]
Whatever nefarious roots it may (or may not) have had, today it's an excuse to dress up as whatever and, if you have a children, a chance for them to get free candy. That's what it's about. I don't know or care what it was, but that's how it's been for as long as any of us have been alive.
There's nothing "evil" about it. If there is, then I submit that all who watch zombie movies are themselves celebrating evil. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:30:58 AM EDT
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It's fine with my church. They do strongly suggest that you don't let your kids do anything to glorify satan, so dressing up like a devil or demon is bad. But firefighters, cowboys, or civil war soldiers are cool. The holiday itself has moved beyond it's original meaning, it now represent kids getting candy and dressing up. My church calls it a "Fall Festival" & encourages "heroic" or biblical themes. You tend to see a alot of police, FF & soldier costumes. But we don't turn away kids in regular "halloween" attire either (we've had Scream costumes & ghosts too). A couple of years ago, one of the other adult volunteers borrowed one of my old Judo Gi's to use as the base for a Jedi Knight outfit - he already had the fancy movie replica light saber (the Obi-Wan IIRC). The POLL needs more real choices BTW - it comes off as a little simplistic - yes/no. Should Christians partake of Animal House like debauchery, the occult or dress up like a set extra from Hostel? NO Should Christians barricade themselves inside at dusk on October 31 & put garlic & communion wafers in the windows? Also NO... |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:37:03 AM EDT
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You know... fuck that. I went to a church as a kid that prohibited people from trick-or-treating and watching the fucking Goonies. The FUCKING GOONIES. The fuck?!?!? Apparently there is something satanic about pirate ships and adventure.
Yes and Halloween is a pagan holiday, thus satanic. Oh and the Aztec Calendar on your wall? Full of demonic symbols and spells, better take it down. Hey, that cartoon, the Smurfs? Full of satans influence, and can enchant your children... better make sure your kids do not see it.Yes these are all real example I heard as a kid. Fucking uneducated, ignorant fundy bullshit. Half of the "Christian" celebrations root from ancient pagan rituals and holidays. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:37:49 AM EDT
[#38]
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I think Christians should reclaim the holiday with festive witch politicianburnings. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:50:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: It depends on what your intentions are or your belief about it. Taking the kids out "trick or treating" is no different than watching the Harry Potter films. If you don't believe in black magic side of it then it's just harmless fun. If you do it as a yearly ritual and it hold some sort of importance to you, then you might have a problem. What sort of problem would that be? |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 8:57:38 AM EDT
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No moreso that Christmas (a pagan holiday) Full retard, you have gone it. The fact that days used to celebrate heathen events were co-opted by the Christian faith to celebrate religious days does not make the Christian celebrations pagan. Methinks you don't know much about the history of the Christmas holiday. Stuffing the name 'Christ' into it doesn't really make it a 'Christian' holiday. Take a look at the yule log, the origin of the tree (and the warning in the New Testament to not use it in your homes), you can even look at the day of the year and the idea of celebrating a birthday. All are pagan, not Christian. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:04:02 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No moreso that Christmas (a pagan holiday) Full retard, you have gone it. The fact that days used to celebrate heathen events were co-opted by the Christian faith to celebrate religious days does not make the Christian celebrations pagan. Methinks you don't know much about the history of the Christmas holiday. Stuffing the name 'Christ' into it doesn't really make it a 'Christian' holiday. Take a look at the yule log, the origin of the tree (and the warning in the New Testament to not use it in your homes), you can even look at the day of the year and the idea of celebrating a birthday. All are pagan, not Christian. Never heard of that one.I'm aware that Christianity incorporated many of the customs of the cultures it overcame, but I don't recall ever reading anything in the Bible about keeping festive trees in the house? Speed |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:05:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Oh teh noes!!! The Christians, they took yer holidaze!!!
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:09:00 AM EDT
[#43]
No. Don't be a pussy. Halloween is for kids not Satanists. Now the natural history museum that will send you to hell.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:16:01 AM EDT
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This poll shows you how many Christians take witch craft and pagan celebrations seriously.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:20:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: This poll shows you how many Christians take witch craft and pagan celebrations seriously. Paganism (in it's various forms) is a joke, conjured up by an ignorant and superstitious people. Why should Christians take it seriously? Put a tree up, if you want. It's NOT a celebration of anything, other than tradition for it's own sake. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:28:42 AM EDT
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My Mom, as devout a Christian as there as ever been, uses the opportunity to pass out religious tracts to the kids, or at least she did in years past.
Me, I'm about as Christian as the chair in which I'm sitting. I just usually use it as an opportunity to sit somewhere and make fun of the idiots who think it gives them carte blanche to dress up in a retarded outfit and get mind-numbingly drunk. Once in awhile, I'll even dress up in a retarded outfit and have a few beers (without getting mind-numbingly drunk). |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:32:57 AM EDT
[#47]
Define Participate:
slaughter animals to a pagan god - NO Have fun with your kids but remember Christ - OK |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:33:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: This poll shows you how many Christians take witch craft and pagan celebrations seriously. Paganism (in it's various forms) is a joke, conjured up by an ignorant and superstitious people. Why should Christians take it seriously? Put a tree up, if you want. It's NOT a celebration of anything, other than tradition for it's own sake. Well, I don't think anyone can really say that w/ certainty as Paganism was a mystery religion (like the Greek or Egyptian Mystery religions). It took years and years to be considered "worthy" of their knowledge and few made it that far. Also, like the Greek and Egyptian Mystery religions, there is very little of their beliefs and teachings written down; it was mostly oral. The few things we have are written as metaphors, so who knows what they really believed  They may have found out how to make a zombie army, or something cool and we'll never know Speed |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:35:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No moreso that Christmas (a pagan holiday) Full retard, you have gone it. The fact that days used to celebrate heathen events were co-opted by the Christian faith to celebrate religious days does not make the Christian celebrations pagan. Methinks you don't know much about the history of the Christmas holiday. Stuffing the name 'Christ' into it doesn't really make it a 'Christian' holiday. Take a look at the yule log, the origin of the tree (and the warning in the New Testament to not use it in your homes), you can even look at the day of the year and the idea of celebrating a birthday. All are pagan, not Christian. Co-option is an enigma to you eh? |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 9:40:00 AM EDT
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It's been commercialized.
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