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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:43:54 AM EDT
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every socialist setup always pointed at the last one that failed and said "it wont be anything like that!" yet for some reason they all seem to end up in the same place, trying to please everyone by making free programs that are not free. they take away the freedom of choosing what is best for yourself and replace it with a mediocre ineffective government beurocracy. yet they keep trying it. perhaps old Benny Franklin said it best "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. " |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:44:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:44:39 AM EDT
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The government does'nt print money? Wow, maybe the study was right. College students can't even balance their checkbooks. Because you all are dumb as rocks. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:45:38 AM EDT
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You don't understand. The right people haven't been in charge all those times it failed. It takes someone as intelligent as implementoftrolling to run the socialist scheme properly. Under his / her / its leadership, socialism can't possibly fail! |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:46:31 AM EDT
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I'm going to IBTL this one...
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:46:48 AM EDT
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so I guess hyperinflation in Germany post WWI and in Argentina when the governments just started printing money at will to pay debts was just a fluke? and you speak rather badly of college students when you merely have a high school diploma? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:47:55 AM EDT
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or there's the other possibility that you are unwilling to accept: Socialism is a flawed theory that will not work regardless of who is in charge. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:49:22 AM EDT
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My idea of socialism is'nt picking what job's people do.
I am the biggest supporter or liberty there could ever possibly be. My idea of socialism is rewarding people for graduating high school, college, and staying out of trouble. My idea of socialism would be social class's where you can work your way up the ladder of success. You graduate high school, you get social benefits. You graduate a college degree program, you get more benefits. You work in a job that society deems more useful, you get more money. You need a job, there will always be a job and free training SOMEWHERE. You still want to sell knick knacks out of your basement, fine. You still want to develop your own products, fine. But if you have skills or need skills and a job, you will get one. And you will get one doing something YOU want to do. No rat race. No capitalism. No greed. No poverty. No authoritarian power. The people still control the government. Civil rights are granted. You can build machine guns in your basement without the government telling you that you can't. So don't insult my intelligence. I am not your typical socialist moron. And I dont have the typical view of socialism that most poeple do. And it's more complicated to explain to the idiots in this forum. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:53:15 AM EDT
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And everything else you post shows that to be false. Ah, wonder how the trolls can frolic here. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:53:43 AM EDT
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Give me an example. If you can give me an example on where I am in contradicion to liberty please explain yourself. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:54:34 AM EDT
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that sounds like a command economy, aka communism.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:57:18 AM EDT
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Depends how you define communism. dictionary.com "A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members." I don't support the collective ownership of property. I support private property. I do support organizing labor. But I dont support picking what jobs people have. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:57:44 AM EDT
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It is. This dude has been banned umpteen times. This is his 3rd or 4th account. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:58:39 AM EDT
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Some of my friends & I are on MySpace. I like it.
I know some bands who use it to advertize themselves. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 9:59:16 AM EDT
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I'm beating my head against a wall of ignorance here.
go move to canada or france and live your socialist paradise dream, assuming you can find a job. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:00:59 AM EDT
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Those countries are a joke. And they have nothing to do with my view of the perfect social structure. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:03:46 AM EDT
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no. You know why? Because you're just a troll. That's all you're here to do. Waste people's time, incite them, and bring a little joy to your pathetic little life by seeing the commotion you caused. A common attention whore who can't do anything of note on his own, so he resorts to joining a board where 99% of the people disagree with his views, and then pushes his views like he knows more and the other people are just common idiots. That's one of the sure signs of being a troll. Here, let me quote it for you; So don't insult my intelligence. I am not your typical socialist moron. And I dont have the typical view of socialism that most poeple do. And it's more complicated to explain to the idiots in this forum. You're so much more intelligent than the idiots on the forum, yet you feel the need to join and post here. Which shows you're just here for the rush of all the attention you get by acting like an idiot. Unfortunately ARFCOM has the policy of letting trolls play until the violate one of the CoC rules, which just turns the board into a cesspool of trolling until the trolls actually violate one of the rules. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:04:52 AM EDT
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Six pages and a lock.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:12:52 AM EDT
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It's true. Most people are dumb.
You're dumb for arguiing with me. If you can't see enlightenment on your own. You're dumb. It's not in my personality to explain myself to you. There is a great chance I don't respect you enough for me to want to. Thanks bastiat for explaining to me how my view contradicted liberty, I was'nt expecting you to. Thanks for pulling the troll card when you could'nt defend yourself. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:14:04 AM EDT
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Oh yea? Well you are dumb. Want to know how I know? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:14:43 AM EDT
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not falling for it. You just want me to waste my time on you. Here's the concise answer: Socialism can only be funded by denying people their economic liberty. Tada. There, done in one sentence. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:15:17 AM EDT
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You may THINK i'm dumb. I guarantee you know very little about me. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:17:06 AM EDT
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I know you are dumb enough to post a link to pics of yourself.  With an face like that, one has to wonder if your mother drank while you were in the womb. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:23:40 AM EDT
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myspace is a great site to not allow your teenage kids to use.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:28:06 AM EDT
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are you going to send me to the goulag for arguing with you? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:28:16 AM EDT
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+1 on that. It's one of those things your kids may hate you for while they're growing up, but when they're adults they'll understand. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:29:17 AM EDT
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that's because you're nothing more than a common troll. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:33:09 AM EDT
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Explain to me how my view of socialism would deny people their economic liberty. I support private business. I don't want to break up Microsoft or the energy companies. I just want a foundation where poeple can get free education and a job. There is no reason an organized job pool and private business can't work together. The closest thing we have is the Military. The US government is already the major employer in the US. Obviously because of it's size, but also for other reason's having to do with the faults in our society like people not being able to afford college, no job's, lack of skills, or the government being the only employer in fields like social work etc. There are only so many thing's people can do in society. Realistically we don't need millions of poeple with bachelors degree's in chemistry or physics. The government needs to step in and organize job's for everyone if they wanted them, even if we don't necessarily need them. Im sure the government already does this. Setting up front business to stimulate the economy and giving people job's. How many graphics designers do we need? How many webpage makers do we need? How many business managers do we need? How many chemists do we need? How many psychologists do we need? How many nurse's? How many doctors? if we have a billion radioologists, there isnt a demand for them to utilize their skills. We need the socialist foundation as something to lean back on. Give people free will, but also setup the bucket to collect the runoff. And there is nothing wrong with free education. And yes the government does'nt need funding, they can fund themselves. The treasury department can just say we are printing a trillion dollars to promote economic health. If other countrie's devalue the dollar, fine. It will get rid of our trade deficit and isolate this country to be more self sufficient. All good things. Nothing I said contradicts liberty. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:34:41 AM EDT
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how would you fund it? or are all the teachers and doctors going to just donate their services for charity?
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:37:50 AM EDT
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We fund ourself. Money is just paper, it is only worth what we say it's worth. We print what we need, and give it the value we think is appropiate. If other countries don't agree or devalue our currency, F THEM. I don't support foreign trade. I support self sufficiency. We don't need oil. There are technologies that can replace oil. And we certainly don't need cheap overseas products. If we were more socialist then our society would be able to afford to pay our own labor. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:37:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:42:57 AM EDT
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Have you graduated high school yet, or what?
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:45:40 AM EDT
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this is the most ignorant idea I've ever heard. google German Hyperinflation, that's what happens when you just print money. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:46:21 AM EDT
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A long time ago. And my higher education is private. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:46:50 AM EDT
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You print your money when you need it?  Economics 101 is calling your name. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:48:42 AM EDT
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Explain why and how you think there would be inflation and I will correct you. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:49:26 AM EDT
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Explain yourself or keep your faulted opinion to yourself. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:49:49 AM EDT
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Here are the options: 1. You don't believe this crap and you're just trolling for fun. or: 2. You really do believe the moronic BS you spout here, and are trolling because you really think you can change somebody's mind by constantly spouting stupid crap. Either way it's pathetic. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:50:18 AM EDT
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 Private? You might want to get your money back! 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:50:34 AM EDT
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I didnt bring up the argument. Some idiot did when he read my myspace profile.
I did'nt come here advertising my beleif. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:51:49 AM EDT
[#41]
That's funny. Who are the troll's here? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:52:10 AM EDT
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It's simple economics. When the money supply increases, the supply curve for $$ shifts drastically to the right. This drives down the ability to buy anything. You'll have to keep printing obscene amounts of $$ to even buy a loaf of bread. Like TRH said, check out hyperinflation in Germany and the picture of people hauling wheelbarrows of Deutchmarks to go shopping for basic items. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:54:11 AM EDT
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Au contraire, mon ami! How do I file suit against the US government - by Implement of War Good for a laugh. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:55:31 AM EDT
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Maaaaaybe 8 pages and a lock.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:59:42 AM EDT
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Negative. You mean supply can't keep up with demand and prices rise? If that is the case, then more bread companies take shape and it stimulates. Or those companies grow. Or you think the bread companies will say "Since there is so much money now, we will charge 100$ for a loaf of bread, because we want to have more money and be more greedy". The federal government can always regulate trade by price setting. If the price setting is reasonable for the companies to exist, and everyone makes a decent wage. What's the problem? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:00:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:00:48 AM EDT
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no he means that the supply of money increases therefore its value drops.
have you ever taken an economics class? |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:04:33 AM EDT
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The value drop's how? In the international market? Who cares that's their choosing, we need to stop foreign trade alltogether. If they don't respect our currency, fine. We should be the sole economic superpower anyways with superior products that they WANT to trade with us. We dont devalue France's currency or Germany's. We have been reasonable with them, I'm sure they would be reasonable with us. We set the value of our currency. There is no mystical law of physics that regulates our curency value. We have the free willl to choose the value of our currency. We will set the reasonable value of our currency for society to operate healthy. If companies price gouge then competition enters into that market genre and balance's prices. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:09:33 AM EDT
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to point out the flaw in your misguided logic, consider this:
why has the price of real estate gone up so much recently? because the supply of money availible for it has increased through cheap loans. there is no international pressure on the real estate market, at least for single family units. the same thing would happen to everything in your economy, if you keep printing money and declare that the value was the same, then everyone will have a basement full of currency and everyone will be filthy rich, but that wont happen. money keeps its value through being fairly scarce with a static or very slowly expanding supply. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:15:03 AM EDT
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lol thats the greatest thing to adore about this site..... A topic can start out as a "What is my space" and end up being "American economics 101"
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And you are telling people to get an education? FOAD.