"I don't support our troops" Joel Stein. LA Times - Page 2

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - "I don't support our troops" Joel Stein. LA Times (Page 2 of 2)

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:11:05 PM EDT

[#1]

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If the Jewish far left doesn't support Israel who does? I've had Jewish friends (more like acquaintances and golfing buddies) tell me their allegiance is to Israel before America.

not to hijack this thread but why do they live here if their allegiance to Israel is stronger?

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:14:04 PM EDT

[#2]

my favorite response to liberals who spout "i support the troops"...

"how do you support them?"

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:20:04 PM EDT

[#3]

I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel.

But when you volunteer for the U.S. military, you pretty much know you're not going to be fending off invasions from Mexico and Canada. So you're willingly signing up to be a fighting tool of American imperialism, for better or worse. Sometimes you get lucky and get to fight ethnic genocide in Kosovo, but other times it's Vietnam.

Tricked??????????? He must think that guys in the military are very stupid. There was no trickery about it. Besides, you join up, you go where you are told, period. No trick to that. He is far more stupid than the guys who joined up if that is his line of thinking.

Kosovo was okay because his boy Bubba did that. What a fucking hypocrite.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:22:00 PM EDT

[#4]

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If the Jewish far left doesn't support Israel who does? I've had Jewish friends (more like acquaintances and golfing buddies) tell me their allegiance is to Israel before America.

not to hijack this thread but why do they live here if their allegiance to Israel is stronger?

Because they don't have the guts to stand and fight the terrorists blowing up their countrymen. Easier to live here where they are safe play armchair general...

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:23:00 PM EDT

[#5]

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I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel.

But when you volunteer for the U.S. military, you pretty much know you're not going to be fending off invasions from Mexico and Canada. So you're willingly signing up to be a fighting tool of American imperialism, for better or worse. Sometimes you get lucky and get to fight ethnic genocide in Kosovo, but other times it's Vietnam.

Tricked??????????? He must think that guys in the military are very stupid. There was no trickery about it. Besides, you join up, you go where you are told, period. No trick to that. He is far more stupid than the guys who joined up if that is his line of thinking.

Kosovo was okay because his boy Bubba did that. What a fucking hypocrite.

Oh yeah, there was no ethnic genocide in Iraq, what a fucking anusaurus rex, he is trying too hard to be a samrt informed know it all. I hate this fucking queer. Really, how stupid can one get?

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:25:30 PM EDT

[#6]

Why are the Jews here? Do you know a poor Jew? I don't. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:26:24 PM EDT

[#7]

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I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel.

But when you volunteer for the U.S. military, you pretty much know you're not going to be fending off invasions from Mexico and Canada. So you're willingly signing up to be a fighting tool of American imperialism, for better or worse. Sometimes you get lucky and get to fight ethnic genocide in Kosovo, but other times it's Vietnam.

Tricked??????????? He must think that guys in the military are very stupid. There was no trickery about it. Besides, you join up, you go where you are told, period. No trick to that. He is far more stupid than the guys who joined up if that is his line of thinking.

Kosovo was okay because his boy Bubba did that. What a fucking hypocrite.

Oh yeah, there was no ethnic genocide in Iraq, what a fucking anusaurus rex, he is trying too hard to be a samrt informed know it all. I hate this fucking queer. Really, how stupid can one get?

Yeah, he shows it big time:

"It's as if the one lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest"

So Kosovo was in our national interest?

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:28:15 PM EDT

[#8]

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Agreed. Non-support of the troops (engaged in a conflict legally begun) and love for the country cannot exist.

However, my support of the troops only goes as far as their obediance to the laws. An unconstitutional order would have to be disobeyed, otherwise that soldier isn't considered honored anymore. This is the only situation I can forsee a rational stance against a soldier/force.

You miss one important point, that being that the left, for the most part, does not love this country. They want it to be some socialist hellhole and wind up as a third world nation. That's what they believe, but if it ever came to pass, they would change their minds in a hurry for they would then be at the bottom of the totem pole.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:32:33 PM EDT

[#9]

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I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel.

But when you volunteer for the U.S. military, you pretty much know you're not going to be fending off invasions from Mexico and Canada. So you're willingly signing up to be a fighting tool of American imperialism, for better or worse. Sometimes you get lucky and get to fight ethnic genocide in Kosovo, but other times it's Vietnam.

Tricked??????????? He must think that guys in the military are very stupid. There was no trickery about it. Besides, you join up, you go where you are told, period. No trick to that. He is far more stupid than the guys who joined up if that is his line of thinking.

Kosovo was okay because his boy Bubba did that. What a fucking hypocrite.

Oh yeah, there was no ethnic genocide in Iraq, what a fucking anusaurus rex, he is trying too hard to be a samrt informed know it all. I hate this fucking queer. Really, how stupid can one get?

The left will never acknowledge the ethnic cleansing and just plain murder that was being carried out by Saddam and his henchman. The slaughter in Iraq was as bad, if not worse, than what was going on it Kosovo. Hell, one of the left's stalwarts is there defending Saddam.

The so-called "insurgency" is being done by Saddam's supporters, both indigenous and foreign.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:33:52 PM EDT

[#10]

Fuck that stupid asshat!

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:37:12 PM EDT

[#11]

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Why are the Jews here? Do you know a poor Jew? I don't. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I have known plenty of poor jews.
Haven't known any jews on welfare, though.
Nor have I met one that blamed it on Christians owning all the factories.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:39:09 PM EDT

[#12]

Damn Sylvan, what country club do you live in??

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:43:59 PM EDT

[#13]

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If the Jewish far left doesn't support Israel who does? I've had Jewish friends (more like acquaintances and golfing buddies) tell me their allegiance is to Israel before America.

So you would say some of your best friends are jewish?

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:46:45 PM EDT

[#14]

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At least the guy is being honest, unlike the rest of his ilk.

I was thinking the same thing. Atleast he's being up front about his disdain for America, and not hiding behind a fake admiration for the troops like Murtha and his buddies in congress.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:50:21 PM EDT

[#15]

No I'm not saying some of my best friends are Jewish. I just don't throw the word friend around as is commonly done today.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:52:08 PM EDT

[#16]

He sucks on I Love the 80's anyway. Even something as mundane as a nostalgic TV series, he does nothing but talk out his ass. I'm not surprised.

Posted: 1/24/2006 1:52:24 PM EDT

[#17]

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Stein is a troll journalist. Like shock-jocks, doing anything to get a rise out of people. Smug, and not particularly innovative or insightful.

www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/07-13-2005.Joel_Stein_bw.G3J1KVP9C.1.jpg

Delicate features too...

damn, he's so purty i wouldn't know whether to shake his hand or fuck his mouth!

Not me. Wouldn't shake his hand and I sure as hell wouldn't let his pie hole anywhere near my gear.

I wouldn't piss up his ass if his guts were on fire.

What a piece of shit.

John

Posted: 1/24/2006 2:03:18 PM EDT

[#18]

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Personally, if you've never been in the military, you have no right to comment on it because you have no idea what its really like.

I guess we shouldn't comment on politics unless we've been elected to office either.

Men shouldn't comment on abortion because they can't have one.

Viewers should not criticize the CSI show, because they are neither actors nor CSI scientists.

Posted: 1/24/2006 2:27:58 PM EDT

[#19]

He says he's in the phone book. Anyone want to do some investigative journalism?

-K

Posted: 1/24/2006 2:35:43 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Los Angeles Times
January 24, 2006

Warriors And Wusses

By Joel Stein

I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel.

Nice to equate our national security to a pop-up ad. Fucker.

I suppose he would have been on Neville Chamberlain's side back in the day....

What an asshole.

Posted: 1/24/2006 2:35:58 PM EDT

[#21]

Damn he is witty!

Posted: 1/24/2006 3:13:19 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Well, that article was stupid.

It was stupid enough that I'm not even angry about it.

Same here.
Draws the same reaction from me as Farenheit 9/11.
Not even worth getting worked up over.

Posted: 1/24/2006 3:59:12 PM EDT

[#23]

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At least the guy is being honest, unlike the rest of his ilk.

True. And what do you bet a lot more libtards are going to come out and say- and then do- the very things he believes. Wait till they start spitting on returning GIs (again), and the GIs react accordingly. "Baby killers!" "Murderers!" "Storm troopers!" I heard it all when I was a kid, during VN, and I'm sure I'll hear it again, as the war goes on longer.

Posted: 1/24/2006 4:00:51 PM EDT

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The queer will support war and our American troops real fast when Iran nukes the shit out of Israel.

what makes you think that?

I think it's because his name is Joel Stein, probably Jewish.

IME some of the most anti-Israel people I meet are liberal Jews. Makes me sad.

Posted: 1/24/2006 4:42:22 PM EDT

[#25]

He's the left's equivalent of the right's Anne Coulter. Lots of controversial soundbites, but nothing of any substance.

Attention whores, both of them.

Posted: 1/24/2006 7:39:18 PM EDT

[#26]

That's a shock.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:20:34 PM EDT

[#27]

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Well, that article was stupid.

It was stupid enough that I'm not even angry about it.

Well put.

It's also funny how you can predict the viewpoint of an article just by that pretentious, smug, sarcastic "I know better" approach it takes. This guy is the kind of fuckstick who relies on that kind of shit over intelligent debate. Just like a typical lefty.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:49:44 PM EDT

[#28]

Hugh Hewitt interviewed Joel Stein about his column. It's really hard to believe this Joel Stein guy is 35, graduated from Stanford, and has written for Time and the LA Times as a columnist.

HH: Let me ask you a tough question, Joel, because this is the toughest one. J.P. Blecksmith was a young Marine lieutenant, graduated from Annapolis, killed in Fallujah on November 11th, 2004. Just a tremendous human being and man. If you meet his parents on the street, what do you say to them?

JS: That I'm so, so sorry.

HH: Do you honor the service that their son did?

JS: To honor the service their son...now this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by honor? That's a word you keep using. I'm not entirely...maybe that's my problem. But I'm not entirely sure what you're...

HH: Honor usually means gratitude and esteem. Are you grateful for and esteem what he did? Honestly?

JS: Honestly? I admire the bravery. I don't...you know, I feel like he did something I could never do, so I'm kind of in awe on some level. Am I grateful, that I feel like he protected me? Um, no I don't.

HH: And so, do you think he died in vain?

JS: Yeah. I do. And that's why I'm so horrified by all this, and why I don't want empty sentiments prolonging the war.

HH: And the people who've died in Afghanistan. Have they died in vain?

JS: Well, if they haven't, what have they accomplished?

HH: I'm asking you, Joel. You wrote the column. You tell me. Have they accomplished nothing?

JS: Well, um, do I think that I, as an American, are safer because of what they did?

HH: That wasn't what I asked. I askd did they accomplish anything in going to Afghanistan.

JS: If I were an Afghani, I would probably...if I lived in Kabul, I probably would think that they accomplished something, sure.

HH: All right. Now have you read any books on the military? I mean, do you read this stuff at all, like Robert Kaplan's Imperial Grunts?

JS: No. No, I'm not an expert at this at all. I mean, I think you certainly can tell.

Posted: 1/24/2006 8:55:54 PM EDT

[#29]

no the real truth is that those people who pull those triggers are keeping him from getting blown up while sitting behind his desk slandering the armed forces.

dick.

reminds me of that shit head, you know, the one that kept that blog about how he hated armed forces. what was his name????? gosh, i can't seem to think of it........

poobie or something? damn this is going to drive me nuts. he was canadian. anybody know?

Posted: 1/24/2006 9:01:37 PM EDT

[#30]

And I care what an overeducated liberal creampuff writer thinks, why???

Fuck him.

Posted: 1/24/2006 9:02:08 PM EDT

[#31]

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Hugh Hewitt interviewed Joel Stein about his column. It's really hard to believe this Joel Stein guy is 35, graduated from Stanford, and has written for Time and the LA Times as a columnist.

It really is hard to believe, the guy appears to have little contact with the real world and lives in a bubble.

Hewitt ripped his ass to shreds... the guy really is a pretty ignorant fool and proves it.

Link to the whole interview.

radioblogger.com/#001332

Posted: 1/24/2006 10:20:31 PM EDT

[#32]

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Hugh Hewitt interviewed Joel Stein about his column. It's really hard to believe this Joel Stein guy is 35, graduated from Stanford, and has written for Time and the LA Times as a columnist.

It really is hard to believe, the guy appears to have little contact with the real world and lives in a bubble.

Hewitt ripped his ass to shreds... the guy really is a pretty ignorant fool and proves it.

Link to the whole interview.

radioblogger.com/#001332

He was from Stanford, what do you expect? They almost out liberal Berkely

Posted: 1/24/2006 10:37:12 PM EDT

[#33]

Thanks for that radioblogger link. That guy joel really is an ass! the interviewer did a really good job of making the author expose himself as the douchebag he is, rather than just calling him on it outright.

Posted: 1/25/2006 3:35:02 PM EDT

[#34]

I wound up duplicating this post (and joined the party way late -- sorry, I was behind on my reading).

Here is what I started to say...

I have to tell you my initial reaction was to blow my stack -- I'm thinking of all kinds of nasty things to say in an email to this guy.

Then I calm down a bit, and start to think that he has at least made a highly personal and rational argument based on his being a pacifist (he claims that volunteers don't deserve support since no one forced them to fight, and in his view fighting is wrong, so he won't support the troops). So now I'm not "fighting mad" anymore and am starting to think about what he is saying but still knowing his is an unsupportable view.

After some thought, this is what I came away with...

I'm sure in his world, he would be very happy with no armed services. But in the real world, the only reason why pacifists can exist are because of the blood spilled by other people without thanks on behalf of the pacifist (and everyone else). Out of sheer human decency, he owes a debt of gratitude to people that are willing to sacrifice for someone who is so clueless that they don't even understand that they need protection.

So, despite his personal beliefs, he is still a jerk for taking the position he has.

Posted: 1/26/2006 12:24:02 PM EDT

[#35]

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He's the left's equivalent of the right's Anne Coulter. Lots of controversial soundbites, but nothing of any substance.

Attention whores, both of them.

Well, Mr leadhead, it's a safe bet that Ms Coulter supports your RKBA, whereas the mention of guns makes Mr Stein pee his pants and call you a "primitive" "baby-killer".

Also, anybody who flings Joe McCarthy back in the Left's faces can't be all bad.....

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