Just wait til they use ED to sieze up all the shooting ranges.

Oh wait, that could never happen in the US, right?

WTF do we do about it?  

Huh?

Quoted: WTF do we do about it?   Huh?

oh there is something you can do about it.  But I'm not taking the first shot ;)

Quoted: Everyone sing along now: "This land is your land, this land is my land From California, to the New York Island From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters This land was made for you and me..." Isn't socialism great?

wouldn't this be reverse socialism?

Quoted: But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad...

Let me take this opportunity to speak on behalf of all homeowners:

BLOW ME.

When the government EXPANDED the definition of "Eminent Domain" to include "economic development," the government gave me yet another reason to believe it is more "evil" than "necessary."

Anyone who thinks it is fine when the government takes private property (at ANY price) from Joe Citizen so it can then give/sell that property to another private citizen is an enemy of everything our Founding Fathers envisioned for America.

America...FUCK YEAH.

Quoted: Wouldn't it be nice if all these developers and their investors just woke up one morning and found out they were deceased?

Lump in the politicians and I'll cry.


Tears of joy.

Quoted: I would NEVER advocate anything illegal, but I was just thinking how terrible it would be if one of the homeowners poisoned the ground with some kind of toxic, possibly radioactive waste.

That would be terrible. Just terrible.

Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain, so long as the .gov has to pay fair market price... Another Commie fuck outed.

You got that right.

Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad...

Fair market price would take into consideration that the land is the site of a proposed sports stadium.  the property is worth millions.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain, so long as the .gov has to pay fair market price... Another Commie fuck outed. You got that right.

+1

lippo, overall I agree with a lot of your last post, I guess the big difference as it seems to me is back then they had a fresh start ahead of them with a lot of lands to be settled, and a person could still escape somewhat back then.
Now the world has strict boundaries and the technology to watch a persons every move, it just seems like there are a lot more walls and obstacles.
To have or earn that freedom back then would have certainly been worth dying for, but I'm just not certain what the country stands for sometimes.
Anyhow, the desire to serve is more to help fellow americans who are overworked and need the help, and to counter a direct threat, than to spread democracy or serve a government. If that makes any sense.

Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... This reminds me of the folks who have been fucking over every attempt to expand the freeway back where I used to live.. WAAHH I grew up here (never mind that my real-estate value is super-low because I'm next to a major freeway, never mind a fair offer)... Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain, so long as the .gov has to pay fair market price... I could be wrong, but I believe they are paying assessed value not appraised

That would be your only chance.  Getting 3 appraised values and suing for the "fair" compensation.  They have to have this park up by next year.  Fuck them by drawing out the process.

Quoted: Quoted: Doing this here in Texas right now.  The new dallas cowboys stadium will be built on stolen land. And what makes it even more fucked-up, is that most likely a major chunk of the land grab and/or infrastucture will be paid for with your tax dollars.

Lucky, for me, it's the city of Alrington's tax dollars.  I don't live there.  But I'm sure soemthing else is being taken with my tax dollars.

Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Fair market price would take into consideration that the land is the site of a proposed sports stadium.  the property is worth millions.

I agree!  I'd get appraisers to assess the value of the stadium.  I might lose in court, but I bet I could hold up the preceedings the 24 months they want the project completed it.

Get an injunction to "protect the status quo".

Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... i don't. the .gov is acting just like the mafia, or any organized crime mob.

Yeah... they're gonna make you an offah... you can't refuse.

Quoted: Quoted: every person in America is now a renter, no matter what, you don't own your house. Unless you are lucky enough to live in one of the few states with specific STATE LAWS that prohibit ED for private use.

If you don't pay your property taxes you get evicted from your home. Sounds like we are just renting the government's land to begin with anyway. If ED isn't an option maybe they will just raise property taxes high enough to make people default. Anything to make a buck, right ?

Tag for later.

It is too early to be pissed.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain, so long as the .gov has to pay fair market price... Another Commie fuck outed. You got that right. +1

+1 million

This ruling IS going to result in something dramatic...it is only a matter of time.

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Quoted: lippo, overall I agree with a lot of your last post, I guess the big difference as it seems to me is back then they had a fresh start ahead of them with a lot of lands to be settled, and a person could still escape somewhat back then. Now the world has strict boundaries and the technology to watch a persons every move, it just seems like there are a lot more walls and obstacles. To have or earn that freedom back then would have certainly been worth dying for, but I'm just not certain what the country stands for sometimes. Anyhow, the desire to serve is more to help fellow americans who are overworked and need the help, and to counter a direct threat, than to spread democracy or serve a government. If that makes any sense.

I understand what you are saying. Sometimes I also wonder what our Country stands for now. I know what it stood for, when I was a kid. But the Boy Scouts, the schools, the neighborhoods are quite different than they were back in the late 60's and the 70's. Never would I have thought, that the current Boy Scout manual would contain sex abuse informtion in the fist 21 pages. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought an organization, which at it's core tries to direct boys to be morally straight and to help others while building self esteem and survival skills, be attacked by groups, such as the ACLU or the homosexual community. It's freakin' outrageous! When I was a kid, neighbors knew each other. Schools didn't teach and preach socialism like they do now.

WE even had "wood shop or industrial shop" class. Now the liability is too great and our "so called leaders" have done away with our ability to produce things. Why do we need to teach kids how to make stuff or fix things? Political correctness wasn't even a word. I was always taught, take a person on their merit, how they treat you and how honest they are. It's not that way now. I know where was racism back then, but I was also taught different and too look past a persons situation or skin color. Now they teach, "be a victim and you'll go far" or "you have to accept everything a person does or is, not just be tolerant of it because it's their Right to do so", you have to ACCEPT it, which by the very fabic of our Bill of Rights is WRONG.

Welfare and assistance back when I was a kid was to "help" people out of tight situtations or as a way to get on the first step out of poverty... not as a way of life. Yes, I know things were not perfect back then, but at least I felt, growing up, America was headed in a good and the right direction. Not anymore. Now, all I see is the very rich screwing over everybody else, certain political groups that make up a very minority of America trying to change the essence of our Freedom and succeeding, the government is now for the elite or the "elected" instead of "for the people and by the people" and the only influeance we have is by the actuall pressure we create by getting overwhelming support for a cause or to stop the abuse of our Rights. But getting that support is, at best not enough, because too many people are caught up in their everyday lives, trying to make ends meet, trying to stay out of the way of law enforcement or attacks of Rights by local officials, and just too busy wanting to watch a football game that in a matter of a year or so, will take their house to build a new stadium for people that are richer than you or I can ever attain.

This country is truly screwed and I doubt it will ever get back to what it was intended. The only thing I can think of to throw the mud back into the faces that are throwing it at us, is, do the same thing back to them. Get people elected that will "seize" these rich peoples homes to make a shopping mall or get a local government to "seize" the property of anti-gun people to make a shooting range or wildlife preserve for hunting. Real conservatives or people that actually believe in our Consitution or Bill of Rights don't want to do that, because it goes against what we believe, but until we start screwing over the people that screw us...we are always going to be the ones getting the short end of the stick up our you know wheres. We need to fight fire with fire and start using tactics that they use and that we don't want to have to use. But if we don't, it will be either too late or we'll end up in a shooting match. And I don't know of too many people that would like to see it get to that point.

Quoted: But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad...

Be careful of what you wished for.  California required some rifle owners to sell to the state for a "fair price" due to public safety. ED powers were the underlying law used.

Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Fair market price would take into consideration that the land is the site of a proposed sports stadium.  the property is worth millions.

Absolutely, fair market pricing must include consideration for supply & demand. For those property owners who hold out, the supply has been dwindled while the demand stays the same. Naturally, prices rise until the demand tailors off, or in this case goes away.

ED is where the government wants to remove market pricing, and supply&demand considerations which is somewhere inbetween socialism and communism.

Quoted: Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain, so long as the .gov has to pay fair market price...

A fair market price is when a buyer and seller agree to a price based on supply and demand.

Eminent domain is when the buyer doesn't get his way, so he forces the seller to give it to him.  This is allowed for post offices, schools, etc.

"Eminent domain" and "fair market price" have no reason to be in the same sentence when you're talking about two private groups.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Fair market price would take into consideration that the land is the site of a proposed sports stadium.  the property is worth millions. Absolutely, fair market pricing must include consideration for supply & demand. For those property owners who hold out, the supply has been dwindled while the demand stays the same. Naturally, prices rise until the demand tailors off, or in this case goes away. ED is where the government wants to remove market pricing, and supply&demand considerations which is somewhere inbetween socialism and communism.

where you sleeping during economics class?   as the supply goes down, demand rises...

Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... This reminds me of the folks who have been fucking over every attempt to expand the freeway back where I used to live.. WAAHH I grew up here (never mind that my real-estate value is super-low because I'm next to a major freeway, never mind a fair offer)... Personally, I have no problem with eminent domain, so long as the .gov has to pay fair market price... I could be wrong, but I believe they are paying assessed value not appraised

From what I understand, the typical "fair price" is about 15% of market price. Say you have a $200,000 house/property. They offer you $30,000 for it. You don't like that? Get a lawyer or 2, and fight it. By the time you're done, you could have just bought a new house. Don't want to go the lawyer route and probably lose your shirt? Then wait for the JBTs to come and remove you from your home. It's for the benefit of the fat cats and their children, so it's apparently okay to most of the folk here.

Screw that. Developers and local pols need to suffer the wrath of screwed over property owners. And I don't mean at the polls.

It's easy to poo-poo all this, til it happens to you or someone you know.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the 'offers' are... If the city is lowballing, they should have to pay a bit more... But if it's just sentimental homeowners who are turning down a good offer because they just don't want to move... Too bad... Fair market price would take into consideration that the land is the site of a proposed sports stadium.  the property is worth millions. Absolutely, fair market pricing must include consideration for supply & demand. For those property owners who hold out, the supply has been dwindled while the demand stays the same. Naturally, prices rise until the demand tailors off, or in this case goes away. ED is where the government wants to remove market pricing, and supply&demand considerations which is somewhere inbetween socialism and communism. where you sleeping during economics class?   as the supply goes down, demand rises...

You must have been sleeping in economics because in this case, demand is static... the government. However, supply is not. Originally, there are many potential suppliers. When the single demand entity selects an area, the supply is dwindled. When most sell out, then the supply is critical. When all but the center parcels are sold, there really is no longer any substitute goods. Did that spell it out for you enough?