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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:46:22 PM EDT
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Yep, they're just following orders. Not their problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. Are the people on SWAT teams policemen or robotic door kicking machines? The newspaper figured out the guy they were looking for had already been picked up... why couldn't the cops? Or more importantly, why wouldn't the cops doing the door-kicking fear the outcome of getting it wrong enough to do even a cursory check for previous arrests like the newspaper did? SWAT doesn't do any of that, it isn't there job. Yep, they're just following orders. Not their problem. Yep zero accountability. Do whatever the fuck you want. Toss other people's money at whiny reactive targets. Keep on keeping on. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:46:26 PM EDT
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I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, so I'm not sure if it's a valid analogy. Regardless, the analogy is unnecessary in this case. We have a pretty simple situation. Cops with guns are serving a search warrant based on the word of a third party and on basically no investigation on their part. Even a cursory amount of investigation probably would have averted the error. But hey, they can't be expected to do investigation, right? It's not their job. They're policemen. Not the freakin hardy boys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again.  Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, so I'm not sure if it's a valid analogy. Regardless, the analogy is unnecessary in this case. We have a pretty simple situation. Cops with guns are serving a search warrant based on the word of a third party and on basically no investigation on their part. Even a cursory amount of investigation probably would have averted the error. But hey, they can't be expected to do investigation, right? It's not their job. They're policemen. Not the freakin hardy boys. Your blame lies on those who got the warrant, and the judicial system that allows it. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:47:12 PM EDT
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Wouldn't you hear the civilians screaming inside the bomb before you dropped it?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? Fucking phone. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:48:48 PM EDT
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SWAT doesn't do any of that, it isn't there job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"This botched gun raid, without any doubt, is about an innocent family with two children — one disabled — who were utterly terrorized and abused as a result of the grossly reckless conduct exhibited by (police)," Pineiro said. Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. Are the people on SWAT teams policemen or robotic door kicking machines? The newspaper figured out the guy they were looking for had already been picked up... why couldn't the cops? Or more importantly, why wouldn't the cops doing the door-kicking fear the outcome of getting it wrong enough to do even a cursory check for previous arrests like the newspaper did? SWAT doesn't do any of that, it isn't there job. I bet they would if they were charged like any non leo for being involved in the crime whether they initiated it or followed. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:49:23 PM EDT
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NM, continue.
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:50:06 PM EDT
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You want a good airplane analogy?
FOD. You see debris, you pick it up. That's EVERYONE'S job. Because the consequences of it not being done can be disastrous. Investigate? Before we go kick down that door? Fuck that! Not my yob! |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:50:13 PM EDT
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Your blame lies on those who got the warrant, and the judicial system that allows it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, so I'm not sure if it's a valid analogy. Regardless, the analogy is unnecessary in this case. We have a pretty simple situation. Cops with guns are serving a search warrant based on the word of a third party and on basically no investigation on their part. Even a cursory amount of investigation probably would have averted the error. But hey, they can't be expected to do investigation, right? It's not their job. They're policemen. Not the freakin hardy boys. Your blame lies on those who got the warrant, and the judicial system that allows it. Right. Because those carrying out tard raids are... Just. Following. Orders. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:51:40 PM EDT
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Fucking phone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? Fucking phone. Do we seem to have a rash of unrelated incidents where pilots are dumping passengers out of airplanes? Let me know when we do and I'll tell you if we need to start holding the pilots accountable. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:51:46 PM EDT
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Wouldn't you hear the civilians screaming inside the bomb before you dropped it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? WHAT IF THEY WERE SLEEPING?? WHAT THEN MR. SMARTY PANTS PENGUIN?? |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:52:19 PM EDT
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Right. Because those carrying out tard raids are... Just. Following. Orders. Throw some Nazi references in.. Make it Godwins law. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:54:56 PM EDT
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And then, after 10 minutes, they strip search the already naked woman?  Define naked and frisk as used in the article. Im assuming by "naked" the article means she was partially clothed like panties and a night shirt. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:55:53 PM EDT
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Throw some Nazi references in.. Make it Godwins law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Right. Because those carrying out tard raids are... Just. Following. Orders. Throw some Nazi references in.. Make it Godwins law. lol @ me believing any LEO on this forum that clamors on about how theyll just all of a sudden quit over confiscation orders. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 12:57:14 PM EDT
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lol @ me believing any LEO on this forum that clamors on about how theyll just all of a sudden quit over confiscation orders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Right. Because those carrying out tard raids are... Just. Following. Orders. Throw some Nazi references in.. Make it Godwins law. lol @ me believing any LEO on this forum that clamors on about how theyll just all of a sudden quit over confiscation orders. On this board? Doubt any would. Outside? Region based. That goes both for the miltiary and law enforcement. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:02:03 PM EDT
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Did they finger blast her, the way they do in Texas?
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? Don't be absurd. We're supposed to go to the HITLER/Germany argument before the bomb analogy. uh wait. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:02:58 PM EDT
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Did they finger blast her, the way they do in Texas? Gotta love Texas freedom. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:20:25 PM EDT
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Do you have any idea how much backlash any officer/department would get if he was interviewed by a newspaper or TV station and put up the excuses that get floated on ARFCOM for the kinds of "mistakes" that happen?
"Well this lady was naked and probably having sex with her children in the house, so getting raided by SWAT is really low on her lists of problems." "The officers involved have no responsibility here. We have them insulated from the decision making process just so that they can't be blamed. We're not stupid, we just do stupid shit." "Let's be serious about this, how much real harm was being done to Rosa Parks by being forced to sit in the back of the bus. None. She should have just enjoyed the ride and STFU" 
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:20:25 PM EDT
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They would see my Butt Tat that says , this paid for college
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:27:27 PM EDT
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And then, after 10 minutes, they strip search the already naked woman? Quote HistoryQuoted:
And then, after 10 minutes, they strip search the already naked woman? Anyone with over a lukewarm IQ disqualified at that department, or do they just hire perverts?
a search warrant filed by a trooper who said a trusted source told him that the intended suspect, "Mr. Jackson," resided at the apartment. Ahh, a trusted crack head. 
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:31:35 PM EDT
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The usual suspects in these threads never fail to make a timely arrival.
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:37:45 PM EDT
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Blaming the victim for the police that take a CI's word on where a guy sitting in jail is in only 13 posts. That's impressive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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23-year-old Mom schtooping her boyfriend, and running around nekkid, while her kids are in the apartment. And the po-po bust down her door, looking for a previous boyfriend. Sounds like the po-po busting the door down is the least of her problems. Blaming the victim for the police that take a CI's word on where a guy sitting in jail is in only 13 posts. That's impressive. Might not even be the CI's word. It's not like we don't have great piles of bad raids where it turns out the CI never existed and some officer is completely full of shit. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:38:37 PM EDT
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Isolated incident. Every time you say isolated incident on these threads I crack up. lol |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:38:49 PM EDT
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Popcorn - check..
Bacon flavored salt - check... Time to sit back and taste the irony.... |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:40:37 PM EDT
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How hard is it to verify the info that a pos CI gives you?
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:42:13 PM EDT
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Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb on a building full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb on a building full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? Haven't heard of many American bombers bombing American cities lately... |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:49:13 PM EDT
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I guess they were too busy to keep the place under surveillance to take the suspect outside?
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:52:00 PM EDT
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Yep, they're just following orders. Not their problem. I c what u did there.
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:52:38 PM EDT
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hey, she had a right to bare arms. And legs. And pretty much everything.
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:54:53 PM EDT
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"Search warrant ma'am, what are you hiding under those?"
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:56:32 PM EDT
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Was she at least good to look at?
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:58:18 PM EDT
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Sounds like a real winner.
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Posted: 8/23/2015 1:59:59 PM EDT
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Did they finger blast her, the way they do in Texas? "Doctor, I need a second opinion" "Ooookay" So he slapped two fingers together and ...
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:01:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:02:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was she at least good to look at? |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:02:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WHAT IF THEY WERE SLEEPING?? WHAT THEN MR. SMARTY PANTS PENGUIN?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:02:40 PM EDT
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Confidential Informants should be illegal to use for warrants . A whole bunch of cops and a judge need to go to jail and be personally liable in civil court. Qualified Immunity needs to be greatly reigned in if not fully revoked. Bureaucrats, armed or not, are about (in)action without accountability. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:03:49 PM EDT
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The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"This botched gun raid, without any doubt, is about an innocent family with two children — one disabled — who were utterly terrorized and abused as a result of the grossly reckless conduct exhibited by (police)," Pineiro said. Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. I suppose that's one kind of due diligence. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:04:07 PM EDT
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There really is no excuse for getting it wrong. Raids like that are dangerous for everybody involved and there should not be any mistakes about crashing the wrong door. I agree. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:05:08 PM EDT
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But CIs are never used as the sole justification for warrants.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Confidential Informants should be illegal to use for warrants . A whole bunch of cops and a judge need to go to jail and be personally liable in civil court. Qualified Immunity needs to be greatly reigned in if not fully revoked. But CIs are never used as the sole justification for warrants. They damn sure shouldn't be. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:06:58 PM EDT
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The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"This botched gun raid, without any doubt, is about an innocent family with two children — one disabled — who were utterly terrorized and abused as a result of the grossly reckless conduct exhibited by (police)," Pineiro said. Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. That's why the first guy through the door on our warrants is the dude who wrote and swore to it. We only use the SWAT team if it meets the threat matrix. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:07:57 PM EDT
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Wouldn't you hear the civilians screaming inside the bomb before you dropped it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? 
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:08:02 PM EDT
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Did they finger blast her, the way they do in Texas? Most chicks in Texas dig a lesbian shocker. Just sayin'. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:09:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose that's one kind of due diligence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "This botched gun raid, without any doubt, is about an innocent family with two children — one disabled — who were utterly terrorized and abused as a result of the grossly reckless conduct exhibited by (police)," Pineiro said. Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. I suppose that's one kind of due diligence. How about beating the shit out of the judge that signed the order for failing to ask "Are you sure the guy lives there?" |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:09:43 PM EDT
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Gotta love Texas freedom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did they finger blast her, the way they do in Texas? Gotta love Texas freedom. It's mildly more enjoyable than Northwestern official incompetence. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:14:28 PM EDT
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How hard is it to verify the info that a pos CI gives you? Exceedingly easy somtimes, not so much other times. That's why it's incumbent to follow up with solid investigation, surveillance, trash pulls, property/record checks, etc. It boggles my mind on these stories. I've done this for a long time, and to do it throughly and correctly really doesn't take that much more effort. I'd like to know more on this particular case, but it sounds about as fucked up as a baseball bat. Never should one rely solely on a CI, no matter their prior information/reliability history. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:15:01 PM EDT
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Are the people on SWAT teams policemen or robotic door kicking machines? The newspaper figured out the guy they were looking for had already been picked up... why couldn't the cops? Or more importantly, why wouldn't the cops doing the door-kicking fear the outcome of getting it wrong enough to do even a cursory check for previous arrests like the newspaper did? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"This botched gun raid, without any doubt, is about an innocent family with two children — one disabled — who were utterly terrorized and abused as a result of the grossly reckless conduct exhibited by (police)," Pineiro said. Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. Are the people on SWAT teams policemen or robotic door kicking machines? The newspaper figured out the guy they were looking for had already been picked up... why couldn't the cops? Or more importantly, why wouldn't the cops doing the door-kicking fear the outcome of getting it wrong enough to do even a cursory check for previous arrests like the newspaper did? More action....less critical thinking. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:16:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 23-year-old Mom schtooping her boyfriend, and running around nekkid, while her kids are in the apartment. And the po-po bust down her door, looking for a previous boyfriend. Sounds like the po-po busting the door down is the least of her problems. You are so insensitive. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:17:20 PM EDT
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Did they finger blast her, the way they do in Texas? Gotta love Texas freedom. It's mildly more enjoyable than Northwestern official incompetence. Seattle is weird like that. But, Texas. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:18:20 PM EDT
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Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb on a building full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, robotic door kicking machines, not people. Got it. I bet if they were held personally accountable for kicking the wrong doors, they would magically turn into people again. Do they hang the pilots for dropping a bomb on a building full of civilians when they were told it wasn't containing said civilians? U.S. Constitution does not apply out of the U.S., it does here. Take your strawman fallacy and try it on lesser folk. |
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Posted: 8/23/2015 2:20:25 PM EDT
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That's why the first guy through the door on our warrants is the dude who wrote and swore to it. We only use the SWAT team if it meets the threat matrix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"This botched gun raid, without any doubt, is about an innocent family with two children — one disabled — who were utterly terrorized and abused as a result of the grossly reckless conduct exhibited by (police)," Pineiro said. Pretty much this. The SWAT guys should beat the living shit out of the Detective that obtained the search warrant. That's why the first guy through the door on our warrants is the dude who wrote and swore to it. We only use the SWAT team if it meets the threat matrix. Forlorn Hope door breacher. 
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