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Posted: 9/30/2004 5:23:00 PM EDT

[#1]

The probelm with adding them as a state is that they'd likely vote Democrat.

Posted: 9/30/2004 5:23:15 PM EDT

[#2]

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in 20 years the spanish will be a majority in almost every southern state. Better get used to it.

I voted to let em become a state.

I dont want to get used to it, i dont want to be a defeatist.

Posted: 9/30/2004 5:29:31 PM EDT

[#3]

Puerto Rico should be given Independence to form itself as a sovereign Nation.

As should all other US Possessions.

Posted: 9/30/2004 5:33:52 PM EDT

[#4]

a solution in search of a problem. cui bono

Posted: 9/30/2004 6:43:02 PM EDT

[#5]

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I voted no, but not for the reason given.

I voted no because then we would have a state (edited0it'd make California look like a gleaming jewel of intelligence....

Ouch! I don't know which reason I need to be offended by that statement.

That I'm a puertorrican (as well as all my family)

Or that you are not that far from the truth.

Funny thing is, my last boss is Puerto Rican. You won't find a smarter, kinder, more decent man on the face of the planet. Go figure.

You know, trite as it is to say, while you can make statistical predictions about racial or ethnic groups, you really can't make useful predictions about individuals based on race or ethnicity.

Very true.

Let me put it this way. I say Puerto Ricans are, for the most part, (edited) for any number of reasons. My father's neighborhood (where I'm shacked up until I start my new job next week) is made up primarily of Puerto Ricans. The stupidity is amazing. They can't call the insurance company about the damage to their houses because they don't know what a claim is. Etc. It is absolutely pervasive .

Now, that said, you will never, EVER, find a group of people with bigger hearts; more eager to help and have fun, or to help you out of a jam, even when they barely know you. It's as if they make up in compassion and friendliness what they lack in brains.

Of course, there are always exceptions. My old boss, whome I love as a brother. A classmate of mine from NAPS and USNA, who is also like a brother, a test engineer at Northrop-Grumman, AND owner of his own entertainment business.

By the same token, the fellow Cubans in my father's neighborhood, while pretty damned smart, didn't (and continue not to) lift a finger to help him or anyone else but themselves.

I've always said that stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason....

You'd know of many more exceptions to your rule if you had

a) ever been to the island itself

and

b) got in with the middle and upper classes (which make up the bulk of society)

Fact: most stupid Puerto Ricans go to NYC or Miami to mooch off relatives there. Most smart ones get a college education either at UPR or any number of other colleges on the mainland and either return to the island to lucrative jobs in manufacturing, law, real estate, banking, IT, etc, etc, etc,. or stay here (they are US citizens by birth, BTW) and continue being productive members of society in much the same types of occupations.

A few even voluntarily go and serve, bleed, and die for the United States.

The reason you don't seem to see more smart Puerto Ricans is because they blend into society like all other productive members do.

Are you wondering how I know all of this?

Posted: 9/30/2004 6:45:52 PM EDT

[#6]

And in case anyone is wondering, no, I don't care one way or the other.

I am an American first, last, and always. I was born an American, and I will die an American. The fact that I was born and raised in PR is no more relevant than if I had been born and raised in Wyoming.

Posted: 9/30/2004 6:48:49 PM EDT

[#7]

I say we get out completly and deny them everything they ask of us.

Posted: 9/30/2004 6:56:34 PM EDT

[#8]

I think we should offer PR statehood when we offer it to Cuba...

Posted: 10/1/2004 3:40:40 AM EDT

[#9]

Stop the insults and name calling.
I am not going to sit around and delete every insult you feel entitled to type. From now on,I will delete your post,no matter how long or eloquent.

Zaphod et al: I hope you are "listening".

Posted: 10/1/2004 4:00:53 AM EDT

[#10]

I'm totally against it for one big reason. I'd have to buy new flags with 51 stars. How in the heck could they make a field of 51 stars look even.

Frankly, I doubt it'd make too much difference except that FAL would get a resurgence and we'd have another terror group to watch out for.

Posted: 10/1/2004 4:03:43 AM EDT

[#11]

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I'm totally against it for one big reason. I'd have to buy new flags with 51 stars. How in the heck could they make a field of 51 stars look even.

Do you realize how dumb this statement is when you think back about the fact that the nation began with 13 states?

Posted: 10/1/2004 4:04:14 AM EDT

[#12]

Right now they pay no taxes and get alot of welfare.
I'm all for making them a state and all for making them pay like the rest of us do.

Posted: 10/1/2004 4:06:52 AM EDT

[#13]

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I'm totally against it for one big reason. I'd have to buy new flags with 51 stars. How in the heck could they make a field of 51 stars look even.

Do you realize how dumb this statement is when you think back about the fact that the nation began with 13 states?

HUMOR, I'm kidding...get it?

Posted: 10/1/2004 4:56:46 AM EDT

[#14]

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Zaphod et al: I hope you are "listening".

Message received and understood. Apologies offered and hopefully accepted.

Sorry to upset the applecart.

Zaphod out.

Posted: 10/1/2004 5:01:31 AM EDT

[#15]

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You'd know of many more exceptions to your rule if you had

a) ever been to the island itself

I have been.

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b) got in with the middle and upper classes (which make up the bulk of society)

Now THAT may very well be true. Can't say I've done that.

A few even voluntarily go and serve, bleed, and die for the United States.

Indeed, and I love and honor them for it, without exception.

Are you wondering how I know all of this?

Maybe, but it seems that all this has caused some ruffled feathers, which I don't wish to re-ruffle.

Maybe in the next thread, I can tell you all about Cubans!

...and I know all about THAT from BEING ONE!

Posted: 10/1/2004 5:30:06 AM EDT

[#16]

Zaphod, I've known many Cubans that emigrated to PR after Fidel fucked up such a lovely island and I grew up with their kids. Some of them have even become my relatives.

No explanation needed here.

Posted: 10/1/2004 5:32:13 AM EDT

[#17]

I voted yes, but I don't give a crap about cultural diversity. They need to start paying taxes.

Posted: 10/1/2004 6:47:26 AM EDT

[#18]

Things are more complex than the Federal Gov gives PR,NYC,etc so much money and in return "they" have to give us this much in taxes.

PR has a Commonwealth Status,which probably gives them the best of both worlds in limited autonomy,financial arrangements,etc with the US.

They do not pay federal income tax,however they buy all,or most of their products,through the US and that puts $$ into our economy.So everything is not just taxes vs entitlement programs.

Politically,there is a "Resident Commissioner" who, looks out for their interests,lobbies,advices,etc ......................but has no vote in the congress of the US.

The PRcans have US citizenship,go into military service (more than a few.Actually a LOT of them go in the military),etc......but cannot vote in presidential elections unless they live in the US mainland.

There are stupid Puerto Ricans, and there are brilliant Puerto Ricans,as well as good and bad people.....just like everything else.Believe me.I know well that this is so.....and it is not PC,for those who always see positive comments as being PC!

In accepting a new state into the union, it comes down to what is good for for the "potential state" and the US.In other words a win-win situation, and neither the US or potential state is going to go into statehood unless there is a positive balance for both sides.

Posted: 10/1/2004 6:54:15 AM EDT

[#19]

A few years ago, PR was given the opportunity to vote on whether they wanted to be the 51st state.

They voted AGAINST it. Their supposed reason? They would rather get all the social benefits of being a US territory (welfare, social security, etc) and have no representation than pay no taxes at all.

In other words, they would rather be a leech than a productive member of the union.

Posted: 10/1/2004 4:48:27 PM EDT

[#20]

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A few years ago, PR was given the opportunity to vote on whether they wanted to be the 51st state.

They voted AGAINST it. Their supposed reason? They would rather get all the social benefits of being a US territory (welfare, social security, etc) and have no representation than pay no taxes at all.

In other words, they would rather be a leech than a productive member of the union.

For the most part, unfortunately, that is true. Both major political parties (the pro-statehood and the one favoring commonwealth status) are big-time democrat supporters. For better or worse (I hate it) many people are dependent on welfare (yes, they are leeches). If the flow of welfare money were to stop or be reduced there would be havoc there.

Of course, there are a bunch of PRicans who study, work, etc (I am one of those). Over the last 15-20 years large numbers of college educated professionals have migrated to the states, simply because there are better jobs here (I have been living in Iowa for the last 12, got my M.S in molecular biology, and now do computer programming).

But the fact is that too many people down there are artificially dependent on welfare, and that means democrats...

Posted: 10/1/2004 9:15:38 PM EDT

[#21]

Hell, most of the folks in PR are receiving federal aid in one form or another anyway...

Posted: 10/1/2004 9:28:08 PM EDT

[#22]

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Hello! Ever hear of California?

+1

Posted: 10/2/2004 12:13:24 PM EDT

[#23]

No, we'd have more spanish-speaking folks than we have now.

Posted: 10/2/2004 12:37:41 PM EDT

[#24]

I like Mexican girls. The 'Rican chicks talk through their nose and that accent hurts my ears. Same as Cuban chicks.

Back on topic: Make them a state and have them pay federal taxes.

Posted: 10/2/2004 12:40:21 PM EDT

[#25]

Yeah really there is no difference between Puerto rico as a territory or a state. All PR's have US citizenship, They use US money, US post office, US everything! IT is a state. Only difference is on paper.

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