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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:44:45 PM EDT
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Yes. Any change in vector requires acceleration. Acceleration means pulling Gs. However, there is no aerodynamic turning in space. It won't be wings, it'll be thrust vectoring that does the work. Visual range combat between two small vessels in space will NOT happen unless both ships run out of all kinds of ammo and have to resort to throwing the contents of their tool kits at each other. Thus, there will be no dogfighting. Nor would such maneuvering resemble aerial dogfighting in any way. Without aerodynamic lift and drag, no way, no chance, no how. Spacecraft do not maneuver like aircraft. For any kind of "dogfight" to occur, you'd need devices that are essentially ball turrets. 
Two vehicles manuvering near to each other (i.e. "within visual range of each other," as CM puts it) will be manuvering via their main engine; no wings will be possible as there is no air in space. One POSSIBLE exception is if there are "wings" (i.e. long struts mounted on either side of the craft) with large engines on them. This would be horribly expensive to run; the fuel requirements would be quite large. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:47:26 PM EDT
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No. Never ask a man who has had a couple of drinks if he has any thoughts about inertial forces in a zero g environment. Fpni FPF 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:49:53 PM EDT
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Yes. Inertia is a bitch regardless of gravity. Reality sucks, or Newton take your pic |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:50:33 PM EDT
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Inertia's inertia, bro. The laws of physics apply everywhere.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:52:03 PM EDT
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yes he has to be strapped in to avoid getting bashed around the inside.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:53:33 PM EDT
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Indeed they would.
I believe the Star Furies from the Babylon 5 Universe depict the most accurate portrayal of a fighter craft maneuvering in space. 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:53:40 PM EDT
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Physics do not change when you go in space. If you change your vector you will experience "g-forces" no matter where you are.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:54:46 PM EDT
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Uh, yes.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:55:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For any kind of "dogfight" to occur, you'd need devices that are essentially ball turrets. http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g169/franksymptoms/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg Two vehicles manuvering near to each other (i.e. "within visual range of each other," as CM puts it) will be manuvering via their main engine; no wings will be possible as there is no air in space. One POSSIBLE exception is if there are "wings" (i.e. long struts mounted on either side of the craft) with large engines on them. This would be horribly expensive to run; the fuel requirements would be quite large. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. Any change in vector requires acceleration. Acceleration means pulling Gs. However, there is no aerodynamic turning in space. It won't be wings, it'll be thrust vectoring that does the work. Visual range combat between two small vessels in space will NOT happen unless both ships run out of all kinds of ammo and have to resort to throwing the contents of their tool kits at each other. Thus, there will be no dogfighting. Nor would such maneuvering resemble aerial dogfighting in any way. Without aerodynamic lift and drag, no way, no chance, no how. Spacecraft do not maneuver like aircraft. For any kind of "dogfight" to occur, you'd need devices that are essentially ball turrets. http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g169/franksymptoms/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg Two vehicles manuvering near to each other (i.e. "within visual range of each other," as CM puts it) will be manuvering via their main engine; no wings will be possible as there is no air in space. One POSSIBLE exception is if there are "wings" (i.e. long struts mounted on either side of the craft) with large engines on them. This would be horribly expensive to run; the fuel requirements would be quite large. That's not a starfighter, THIS is a starfighter  |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 6:58:16 PM EDT
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For any kind of "dogfight" to occur, you'd need devices that are essentially ball turrets. <a href="http://s56.photobucket.com/user/franksymptoms/media/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g169/franksymptoms/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg</a> Two vehicles manuvering near to each other (i.e. "within visual range of each other," as CM puts it) will be manuvering via their main engine; no wings will be possible as there is no air in space. One POSSIBLE exception is if there are "wings" (i.e. long struts mounted on either side of the craft) with large engines on them. This would be horribly expensive to run; the fuel requirements would be quite large. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Any change in vector requires acceleration. Acceleration means pulling Gs. However, there is no aerodynamic turning in space. It won't be wings, it'll be thrust vectoring that does the work. Visual range combat between two small vessels in space will NOT happen unless both ships run out of all kinds of ammo and have to resort to throwing the contents of their tool kits at each other. Thus, there will be no dogfighting. Nor would such maneuvering resemble aerial dogfighting in any way. Without aerodynamic lift and drag, no way, no chance, no how. Spacecraft do not maneuver like aircraft. For any kind of "dogfight" to occur, you'd need devices that are essentially ball turrets. <a href="http://s56.photobucket.com/user/franksymptoms/media/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g169/franksymptoms/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg</a> Two vehicles manuvering near to each other (i.e. "within visual range of each other," as CM puts it) will be manuvering via their main engine; no wings will be possible as there is no air in space. One POSSIBLE exception is if there are "wings" (i.e. long struts mounted on either side of the craft) with large engines on them. This would be horribly expensive to run; the fuel requirements would be quite large. Ever heard of RCS thrusters? you can point the space craft what ever direction you want, but the craft will continue heading in the same direction. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:02:53 PM EDT
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Of course wre do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do astronauts masturbate in space? Of course wre do. Speak for yourself. I never did. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:02:53 PM EDT
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Engaging warp engines must be a bitch if your asshole is pointed the wrong direction.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:11:43 PM EDT
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I've heard that astronauts wear diapers due to G's durring take off, since too prolonged G forces make you shit yourself.
Now it's a poop thread |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:13:59 PM EDT
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This has got to be the simplest science question presented to GD ever, and the first post still managed to fuck it up.
Damn. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:14:22 PM EDT
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yes.. thats why we can't ever travel the speed of light,,, things will have an infinite mass
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:14:44 PM EDT
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Colonel McQueen pulling G's in space like a motherfucker...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M07ltuAYqzc |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:16:39 PM EDT
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Only if he was full blown retarded and dint understand that 0 gravity = 0 G... clearly the op is part of this group.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:19:29 PM EDT
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A "G" is a measurement of acceleration. When a starfighter turns, it would point in the desired direction and fire its engines.
Better question, why have a starfighter in the first place? There is nothing it can do that a fully fledged starship cannot. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:20:48 PM EDT
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yes.. thats why we can't ever travel the speed of light,,, things will have an infinite mass You just have to decouple yourself (and your ship) from the universal Higg's field. Although, what all your, and your ship's constituent atoms do when they lose any/all mass-drag from the Higg's field might be.. unpleasant.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:23:08 PM EDT
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This is why, in twenty years when fighter spacecraft are common, I will invent a device that produces a momentary gravitational field allowing the pilot in the craft to feel 1g while his craft pulls 6+g maneuvers, accomplished by simply pulling a cord between his legs. I will call my new invention......the "G-String".
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Posted: 7/21/2013 7:59:43 PM EDT
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Only when he activates Death Blossom. Oh really 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:01:37 PM EDT
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That's not a starfighter, THIS is a starfighter <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/s4zq.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5250/s4zq.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Any change in vector requires acceleration. Acceleration means pulling Gs. However, there is no aerodynamic turning in space. It won't be wings, it'll be thrust vectoring that does the work. Visual range combat between two small vessels in space will NOT happen unless both ships run out of all kinds of ammo and have to resort to throwing the contents of their tool kits at each other. Thus, there will be no dogfighting. Nor would such maneuvering resemble aerial dogfighting in any way. Without aerodynamic lift and drag, no way, no chance, no how. Spacecraft do not maneuver like aircraft. For any kind of "dogfight" to occur, you'd need devices that are essentially ball turrets. http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g169/franksymptoms/russian-european-manned-spacecraft1-with-ball-turret_zpsda1be508.jpg Two vehicles manuvering near to each other (i.e. "within visual range of each other," as CM puts it) will be manuvering via their main engine; no wings will be possible as there is no air in space. One POSSIBLE exception is if there are "wings" (i.e. long struts mounted on either side of the craft) with large engines on them. This would be horribly expensive to run; the fuel requirements would be quite large. That's not a starfighter, THIS is a starfighter <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/s4zq.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5250/s4zq.jpg</a> This is the LAST star fighter... 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:13:13 PM EDT
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Newton says yes. And I trust Newton...
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:17:22 PM EDT
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Then how come none of the crew ends up pancacked to back of the Enterprise when it jumps to warp speed?
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:23:46 PM EDT
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Very much yes.
Spinning sections of ships could be used to create artificial gravity for instance... but that's for large ships. For small ships you would want to place the pilot as close to the Center of Mass of the craft as possible to minimize the effects. But any change in direction like spinning around using your RCS thrusters or firing you main engines will be felt as g-forces by the pilot. Acceleration = g-force whether it's in a straight line or rotational. And to my fellow B5 fan above. Yes. If there are ever to be star fighters in the real world... they would look like the Star Fury. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:24:30 PM EDT
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inertia exists even in space.yes.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:25:08 PM EDT
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Then how come none of the crew ends up pancacked to back of the Enterprise when it jumps to warp speed? Warp bubble /thread |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very much yes. Spinning sections of ships could be used to create artificial gravity for instance... but that's for large ships. For small ships you would want to place the pilot as close to the Center of Mass of the craft as possible to minimize the effects. But any change in direction like spinning around using your RCS thrusters or firing you main engines will be felt as g-forces by the pilot. Acceleration = g-force whether it's in a straight line or rotational. And to my fellow B5 fan above. Yes. If there are ever to be star fighters in the real world... they would look like the Star Fury. Viper Mk VII's make more sense. Keep the engines close to the ship and use thrusters to change vector. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then how come none of the crew ends up pancacked to back of the Enterprise when it jumps to warp speed? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Any change in vector requires acceleration. Acceleration means pulling Gs. However, there is no aerodynamic turning in space. It won't be wings, it'll be thrust vectoring that does the work. Visual range combat between two small vessels in space will NOT happen unless both ships run out of all kinds of ammo and have to resort to throwing the contents of their tool kits at each other. Thus, there will be no dogfighting. Nor would such maneuvering resemble aerial dogfighting in any way. Without aerodynamic lift and drag, no way, no chance, no how. Spacecraft do not maneuver like aircraft. Did someone say Vector?!?!?!?! 
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:27:08 PM EDT
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Then how come none of the crew ends up pancacked to back of the Enterprise when it jumps to warp speed? That's not really, buddy. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:33:57 PM EDT
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A "G" is a measurement of acceleration. When a starfighter turns, it would point in the desired direction and fire its engines. Better question, why have a starfighter in the first place? There is nothing it can do that a fully fledged starship cannot. Thrust to mass ratio. How much inertia do you need to overcome. A smaller fight would be more maneuverable, |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:34:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Inertia is a bitch regardless of gravity. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 8:35:37 PM EDT
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Warp bubble /thread Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then how come none of the crew ends up pancacked to back of the Enterprise when it jumps to warp speed? Warp bubble /thread I thought it was inertial dampers.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 10:56:35 PM EDT
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Did someone say Vector?!?!?!?! http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Vector-the-shrink-ray-despicable-me-13771066-616-315.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Any change in vector requires acceleration. Acceleration means pulling Gs. However, there is no aerodynamic turning in space. It won't be wings, it'll be thrust vectoring that does the work. Visual range combat between two small vessels in space will NOT happen unless both ships run out of all kinds of ammo and have to resort to throwing the contents of their tool kits at each other. Thus, there will be no dogfighting. Nor would such maneuvering resemble aerial dogfighting in any way. Without aerodynamic lift and drag, no way, no chance, no how. Spacecraft do not maneuver like aircraft. Did someone say Vector?!?!?!?! http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Vector-the-shrink-ray-despicable-me-13771066-616-315.jpg Roger Murdock: Flight 2-0-9'er, you are cleared for take-off. Captain Oveur: Roger! Roger Murdock: Huh? Tower voice: L.A. departure frequency, 123 point 9'er. Captain Oveur: Roger! Roger Murdock: Huh? Victor Basta: Request vector, over. Captain Oveur: What? Tower voice: Flight 2-0-9'er cleared for vector 324. Roger Murdock: We have clearance, Clarence. Captain Oveur: Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor? Tower voice: Tower's radio clearance, over! Captain Oveur: That's Clarence Oveur. Over. Tower voice: Over. Captain Oveur: Roger. Roger Murdock: Huh? Tower voice: Roger, over! Roger Murdock: What? Captain Oveur: Huh? Victor Basta: Who? |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:07:01 PM EDT
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This is why, in twenty years when fighter spacecraft are common, I will invent a device that produces a momentary gravitational field allowing the pilot in the craft to feel 1g while his craft pulls 6+g maneuvers, accomplished by simply pulling a cord between his legs. I will call my new invention......the "G-String". MY device simply requires the pilot to... wear it... under his her uniform. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:10:50 PM EDT
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Then how come none of the crew ends up pancacked to back of the Enterprise when it jumps to warp speed? Because the Enterprise (and all starships of the Star Trek universe) encapsulate the entire ship within a "space warp bubble." Inside that bubble, a virtual universe is maintained separate from (but attached to) the universe from which it came. This enables the ship to travel at high speeds relative to the "real" universe. No one feels acceleration within the "warp bubble." Or something like that. |
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:11:34 PM EDT
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Yes but it would be g's in a angular momentum sense. Think about driving a car and making a hard turn. You feel the force pushing you towards the direction of the turn. The same would apply in space.
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Posted: 7/21/2013 11:12:04 PM EDT
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Yes
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:14:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: unless your in a fluid filled cockpit... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. Inertia is a bitch regardless of gravity. You still feel the g's, but you won't be as likely to pass out. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:22:54 AM EDT
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OKAY,
FESS UP! They accuse me here of alluding to secret squirrel stuff! So what 
mission do you know of that actually achieved space flight? ________________________________________________________________________________ ("Time to face destiny!"--crook "Time to face gravity!"--007 turning him into shredded tweet, (w,stte), "Die another day") |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:27:36 AM EDT
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Sounds like a few people here skipped too many physical science classes in the 7th grade.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:29:20 AM EDT
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Is this a joke, or trolling thread? Did someone ask this seriously?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:31:35 AM EDT
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Is this a joke, or trolling thread? Did someone ask this seriously? Threads like this make it easier to understand how Obama got elected.....twice! |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:32:25 AM EDT
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Needs more Starfighters... and of course they feel Gs
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:36:02 AM EDT
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Yes. Inertia is a bitch regardless of gravity. yes. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:37:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this a joke, or trolling thread? Did someone ask this seriously? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:39:01 AM EDT
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Speak for yourself. I never did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do astronauts masturbate in space? Of course wre do. Speak for yourself. I never did. Space shuttle door gunners do not. gotta keep the gun hand relaxed and ready at all times. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:37:40 AM EDT
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The real question is: Will a starfiigher pull G's if they are on a treadmill? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this a joke, or trolling thread? Did someone ask this seriously? They pull twice the G's but in the opposite direction. |
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