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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:42:36 AM EDT
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Samantha Powers has zero authority to set US policy. She, like all diplomats, gets her positions dictated to her by career State bureaucrats. One doesn't become a FSO if you have any desire or hopes of thinking for yourself and acting with anything resembling autonomy. Sometimes the politically connected types are actually a breath of fresh air in this regard. Regardless, what the US government believes is worth doing "something" about is a different question than what we - collectively or individually - should "care" about. I think you underestimate the influence that Sunstein, Powers and their ilk have had in basically dismantling the Wilsonian consensus and its policies of non-proliferation and collective security within US foreign policy. Instead, we get R2P. Really, we should be sending US forces to aid our adversaries because a bunch of Yazidis who had 15 years to build their own army are now getting rounded up? I feel for the child dying of thirst or exposure in some hell hole mountain in Northern Iraq as we speak. Just like I do the one dying of AIDS in the DRC, or malaria in Burma or a thousand other places. There is a real limit to the amount of compassion a person, an organization or a country has. Senator Biden called for partition of Iraq...and guess what? We've got it. This is what partition looks like, be it in British India or modern Iraq. We are executing his idea. As long as Maliki is in power, this is Iran's problem. They created the mess, let the IRGC go up to Sunni-stan to fix it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:42:38 AM EDT
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.............. That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? Well Obama and idiot racist Holder promised to uphold the constitution also. Speaking of derp... did you envision a connection between your statement and my question, or was that just a random "thought?" The UN says one thing in its charter, etc., but does another. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:43:23 AM EDT
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I still havent found a good answer as to how a terror group that massive was only discovered when it started rolling accross Iraq. No one noticed a massive terror group building up with the strength to topple regimes until it started going all blitzkierg on everyone? Really? How? Spontaneous protest over an internet video, yo. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:43:53 AM EDT
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That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't this what the UN is for? No, the UN is for allowing Hamas to stage rockets and then complaining with bitter tears that Israeli forces blew up a UN school that they allowed to be used as a terrorist base. That's what the UN is for. That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? What...that UNRWA basically is a terror supporting enterprise? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:46:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:46:04 AM EDT
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That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? I thought it was widely accepted fact that they have indeed found weapons caches in UN schools: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/un-dragged-conflict-israel-hamas-gaza Those are likely claims by the Israeli government, and one could argue it's propaganda by the Israeli government but in the credibility category I think they rate higher than the UN. It's not like Hamas is bashful about threatening to kill anyone who doesn't play ball. I also seem to remember reading statements by Moon about being "shocked" to learn that was going on. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:47:35 AM EDT
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OP, I have to ask what search terms you used when looking for Muslims speaking out against ISIS
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/muslim-leaders-reject-baghdadi-caliphate-20147744058773906.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/hundreds-of-calgary-muslims-protest-isis-violence-in-iraq-1.2683589 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/06/Indonesia-Criminalizes-Support-for-ISIS |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:48:11 AM EDT
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Because that shit is coming here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they don't care, why should we? Because that shit is coming here. Probably true regardless of what we do, but its speeded up when we nominate ourselves the IRGC Air Force in the name of R2P. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:48:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:49:05 AM EDT
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That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't this what the UN is for? No, the UN is for allowing Hamas to stage rockets and then complaining with bitter tears that Israeli forces blew up a UN school that they allowed to be used as a terrorist base. That's what the UN is for. That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? It's even more bold to act like the UN is not helping Hamas. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-kept-un-missing-083822639.html#0779GXr |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:50:17 AM EDT
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Silence is consent.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:52:09 AM EDT
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When does American Idol come on?
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:52:45 AM EDT
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I think you underestimate the influence that Sunstein, Powers and their ilk have had in basically dismantling the Wilsonian consensus and its policies of non-proliferation and collective security within US foreign policy. Instead, we get R2P. Really, we should be sending US forces to aid our adversaries because a bunch of Yazidis who had 15 years to build their own army are now getting rounded up? I feel for the child dying of thirst or exposure in some hell hole mountain in Northern Iraq as we speak. Just like I do the one dying of AIDS in the DRC, or malaria in Burma or a thousand other places. There is a real limit to the amount of compassion a person, an organization or a country has. Senator Biden called for partition of Iraq...and guess what? We've got it. This is what partition looks like, be it in British India or modern Iraq. We are executing his idea. As long as Maliki is in power, this is Iran's problem. They created the mess, let the IRGC go up to Sunni-stan to fix it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Samantha Powers has zero authority to set US policy. She, like all diplomats, gets her positions dictated to her by career State bureaucrats. One doesn't become a FSO if you have any desire or hopes of thinking for yourself and acting with anything resembling autonomy. Sometimes the politically connected types are actually a breath of fresh air in this regard. Regardless, what the US government believes is worth doing "something" about is a different question than what we - collectively or individually - should "care" about. I think you underestimate the influence that Sunstein, Powers and their ilk have had in basically dismantling the Wilsonian consensus and its policies of non-proliferation and collective security within US foreign policy. Instead, we get R2P. Really, we should be sending US forces to aid our adversaries because a bunch of Yazidis who had 15 years to build their own army are now getting rounded up? I feel for the child dying of thirst or exposure in some hell hole mountain in Northern Iraq as we speak. Just like I do the one dying of AIDS in the DRC, or malaria in Burma or a thousand other places. There is a real limit to the amount of compassion a person, an organization or a country has. Senator Biden called for partition of Iraq...and guess what? We've got it. This is what partition looks like, be it in British India or modern Iraq. We are executing his idea. As long as Maliki is in power, this is Iran's problem. They created the mess, let the IRGC go up to Sunni-stan to fix it. 1) Caring about the situation is a wholly separate issue from saying "we should be sending US forces to aid our adversaries." 2) Power is a political appointee, and her position echoes the views of those in power more so than shaping them. My comments was more of a general one about how little policy is or can be shaped from outside of Washington. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:53:20 AM EDT
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OP, I have to ask what search terms you used when looking for Muslims speaking out against ISIS http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/muslim-leaders-reject-baghdadi-caliphate-20147744058773906.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/hundreds-of-calgary-muslims-protest-isis-violence-in-iraq-1.2683589 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/06/Indonesia-Criminalizes-Support-for-ISIS Those are all lies. 1 billion people think exactly the same way. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:53:45 AM EDT
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OP, I have to ask what search terms you used when looking for Muslims speaking out against ISIS http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/muslim-leaders-reject-baghdadi-caliphate-20147744058773906.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/hundreds-of-calgary-muslims-protest-isis-violence-in-iraq-1.2683589 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/06/Indonesia-Criminalizes-Support-for-ISIS There are bits and pieces of protest no doubt but it should be MUCH MORE widespread IMHO. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:54:36 AM EDT
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What...that UNRWA basically is a terror supporting enterprise? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't this what the UN is for? No, the UN is for allowing Hamas to stage rockets and then complaining with bitter tears that Israeli forces blew up a UN school that they allowed to be used as a terrorist base. That's what the UN is for. That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? What...that UNRWA basically is a terror supporting enterprise? I'd be happy with simple specifics - like any credible sources corroborating the abuse of those shelters. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:55:33 AM EDT
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There are bits and pieces of protest no doubt but it should be MUCH MORE widespread IMHO. The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and other folks in the region are most non-plussed about all this bullshit. It's not a coincidence that all those countries...who for a long time wet-nursed the PLO...are pretty much on Israel's side against Hamas. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:56:28 AM EDT
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The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and other folks in the region are most non-plussed about all this bullshit. It's not a coincidence that all those countries...who for a long time wet-nursed the PLO...are pretty much on Israel's side against Hamas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are bits and pieces of protest no doubt but it should be MUCH MORE widespread IMHO. The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and other folks in the region are most non-plussed about all this bullshit. It's not a coincidence that all those countries...who for a long time wet-nursed the PLO...are pretty much on Israel's side against Hamas. Then why the FUCK aren't they wiping out ISIS and Hamas!!?? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:57:03 AM EDT
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fucking savages.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 4:59:27 AM EDT
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All this makes me wonder what is going to happen when Isis turns its sights on Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Will these populations stand up to the ISIS army or great them as liberators? Perhaps behind the scene they support ISIS and have no fear of them entering their countries aggressively? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:00:00 AM EDT
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All this makes me wonder what is going to happen when Isis turns its sights on Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Will these populations stand up to the ISIS army or great them as liberators? Jordan and Lebanon have experience with pinheads who try to bring about Islamic revolutions in their countries. It didn't end well when Yasser Arafat tried it. I expect the Saudis won't play nice with them, either. The Saudi Royal Family (all 10,000,000 of them) like being the Saudi Royal Family and won't sit idly while a bunch of nuts threatens their power. Kuwait deported 200,000 "Palestinians" for supporting Hussein during the first Gulf War. Syria has been a clusterfuck for decades. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:00:21 AM EDT
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OP, I have to ask what search terms you used when looking for Muslims speaking out against ISIS http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/muslim-leaders-reject-baghdadi-caliphate-20147744058773906.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/hundreds-of-calgary-muslims-protest-isis-violence-in-iraq-1.2683589 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/06/Indonesia-Criminalizes-Support-for-ISIS Yep. Most places are against those radicals. I know a few Muslims who hate those radical idiots. It's hard to not generalize with all the propaganda going around. However, if reading the comments sections on international media websites we find tons of anti-American comments also generalizing as if everyone in US was a warmonger, wanted global domination, etc. Also, think about here at home. How many mass street protests against the kenyan and its cronies, despite what appears it is supported only by a minority? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:01:58 AM EDT
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I still havent found a good answer as to how a terror group that massive was only discovered when it started rolling accross Iraq. No one noticed a massive terror group building up with the strength to topple regimes until it started going all blitzkierg on everyone? Really? How? Like an American saying they've never heard of Walmart |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:02:35 AM EDT
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Like an American saying they've never heard of Walmart Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still havent found a good answer as to how a terror group that massive was only discovered when it started rolling accross Iraq. No one noticed a massive terror group building up with the strength to topple regimes until it started going all blitzkierg on everyone? Really? How? Like an American saying they've never heard of Walmart Good analogy!! |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:07:51 AM EDT
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Yet, there are worldwide protests against Israel not a single one against ISIS. I still think much of the world will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz. Virtually any interview of an adult from anywhere in the Muslim sphere of influence shows that their factual knowledge of the rest of the world ranges from simple ignorance to ideas that are exactly diametrically opposite the truth. Truth is in short supply, and logic even shorter in those countries. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:10:04 AM EDT
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No, the UN is for allowing Hamas to stage rockets and then complaining with bitter tears that Israeli forces blew up a UN school that they allowed to be used as a terrorist base. That's what the UN is for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't this what the UN is for? No, the UN is for allowing Hamas to stage rockets and then complaining with bitter tears that Israeli forces blew up a UN school that they allowed to be used as a terrorist base. That's what the UN is for. I keep wondering why the US is building schools in the Palestinian zones. Besides misplaced humanitarian welfare. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:13:15 AM EDT
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People confuse Arab and muslim all the time. Just because the media doesn't report it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UHHCR: So far in 2014, an estimated 1.2 million Iraqis have been displaced by fighting, including from Anbar and Ninewa governorates. Protests condemning tens of thousands killed, 1.2 million displaced, rapes, torture, theft, and creating a virtual prison for 40,000 civilians trapped on Mount Sinjar? Zero. Offers of humanitarian convoys? Zero. Muslim stars taking to Twitter with #StopIsis hastag? Zero. A Fatawah against ISIS attacking non-Muslims issued by a state Iman? Zero. Outrage about the shrines, churches, and historical places being blown up and destroyed by Isis? Zero. There are no moderates. Islamic jihadi fundamentalism is spreading like wildfire and although there were a lot of pro-American muslim moderates in the recent past, their numbers shrink every day. You will never hear about them in the media. Picture yourself as a pro-western, moderate muslim in Pakistan. What do you think will happen after you protest? The pro-taliban folks will hunt you down and kill you. Those folks keep their mouths shut. People in America? Good luck finding anything in the news but CAIR and they're linked to fundamentalists. It's like the NAACP. They don't represent a group but an ideology. You are right about one thing. There is no more moderation in Islam. Now, either folks love the west or hate it. They only love the west when we are pumping money to them. That's it. People confuse Arab and muslim all the time. Just because the media doesn't report it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Where in those posts does someone confuse Arab and Muslim? You can bet your ass that "moderate muslims" would bolster the cause of Dear Leader so if it was out there, they would find it. Did you just pick out two memes and throw them into the thread just to be different? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:13:17 AM EDT
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1) Caring about the situation is a wholly separate issue from saying "we should be sending US forces to aid our adversaries." 2) Power is a political appointee, and her position echoes the views of those in power more so than shaping them. My comments was more of a general one about how little policy is or can be shaped from outside of Washington. 1) Fair statement. 2) Power is much more influential than I think you're giving credit for, but as a general rule, I'd agree. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:13:24 AM EDT
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I still havent found a good answer as to how a terror group that massive was only discovered when it started rolling accross Iraq. No one noticed a massive terror group building up with the strength to topple regimes until it started going all blitzkierg on everyone? Really? How? Like an American saying they've never heard of Walmart Good analogy!! The analogy in this case would require someone suggesting anyone has ever pretend they just now heard of Walmart, after Walmart decides to officially call themselves "Super Walmart." Because, ISIS and its predecessors has been a concern for some time, even dating back to the very derpy threads of yore where some here suggested that supporting the FSA was the same as supporting the nutty Jihadists who were vying to shape the opposition, and the many long explanations about the roles and ideology of groups like AQI and ISI in Iraq. Perhaps the name Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi rings a bell? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:14:35 AM EDT
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UN groups say at least 40,000 members of the Yazidi sect, many of them women and children, have taken refuge in nine locations on Mount Sinjar, a craggy, mile-high ridge identified in local legend as the final resting place of Noah's ark.
At least 130,000 more people, many from the Yazidi stronghold of Sinjar, have fled to Dohuk, in the Kurdish north, or to Irbil, where regional authorities have been struggling since June to deal with one of the biggest and most rapid refugee movements in decades. UHHCR: So far in 2014, an estimated 1.2 million Iraqis have been displaced by fighting, including from Anbar and Ninewa governorates. Protests condemning tens of thousands killed, 1.2 million displaced, rapes, torture, theft, and creating a virtual prison for 40,000 civilians trapped on Mount Sinjar? Zero. Offers of humanitarian convoys? Zero. Muslim stars taking to Twitter with #StopIsis hastag? Zero. A Fatawah against ISIS attacking non-Muslims issued by a state Iman? Zero. Outrage about the shrines, churches, and historical places being blown up and destroyed by Isis? Zero. There are no moderates. It's unfortunate, but I agree. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:15:04 AM EDT
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I still havent found a good answer as to how a terror group that massive was only discovered when it started rolling accross Iraq. No one noticed a massive terror group building up with the strength to topple regimes until it started going all blitzkierg on everyone? Really? How? You mean discovered by the mainstream media in the US. A very short search of the internet turns up articles about ISIS back to 2002 at least, articles about ISIS violence. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:15:10 AM EDT
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Well, one thing is for sure, with the weakened state of America (leadership, not military.....yet) we won't be coming back to help. Those guys are pretty much on their own. Maybe Russia or China will step in (you know, for a price) but it sure as hell ain't gonna be America.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All this makes me wonder what is going to happen when Isis turns its sights on Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Will these populations stand up to the ISIS army or great them as liberators? Well, one thing is for sure, with the weakened state of America (leadership, not military.....yet) we won't be coming back to help. Those guys are pretty much on their own. Maybe Russia or China will step in (you know, for a price) but it sure as hell ain't gonna be America. And that right there is why the whiny-ass "we can't afford to be world police" morons need to shut the fuck up. That have no idea of what they speak. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:16:57 AM EDT
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Isn't this what the UN is for? The UN is for trying to make the US feel bad about being better than other countries. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:18:35 AM EDT
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Politicians who knew full well Germany was rearming did their best to hide the fact from public consciousness. As storm clouds were obviously gathering, they ran around and talked about how safe everything was. To wit:  http://youtu.be/SetNFqcayeA
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I wasn't alive back before WWII started and am wondering if the same sort of cowardly shit was prevalent with the lack of protests of the fucking Nazis? Politicians who knew full well Germany was rearming did their best to hide the fact from public consciousness. As storm clouds were obviously gathering, they ran around and talked about how safe everything was. To wit: http://youtu.be/SetNFqcayeA
Calling the Nazis what they were was seen as being belligerent and needlessly provocative. Sound familiar? The American people weren't shielded from what was going on in Europe and Asia from Sept 1939 forward. Hell, FDR knew we were gonna get drawn in and he sure as hell didn't hide it from them. The isolationism of the period wound up being very costly for us. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:18:36 AM EDT
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.............. The analogy in this case would require someone suggesting anyone has ever pretend they just now heard of Walmart, after Walmart decides to officially call themselves "Super Walmart." Because, ISIS and its predecessors has been a concern for some time, even dating back to the very derpy threads of yore where some here suggested that supporting the FSA was the same as supporting the nutty Jihadists who were vying to shape the opposition, and the many long explanations about the roles and ideology of groups like AQI and ISI in Iraq. Perhaps the name Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi rings a bell? Yup. Virtually impossible for ANYONE to say they just noticed this heinous bullshit. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:19:44 AM EDT
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...................... The American people weren't shielded from what was going on in Europe and Asia from Sept 1939 forward. Hell, FDR knew we were gonna get drawn in and he sure as hell didn't hide it from them. The isolationism of the period wound up being very costly for us. That could be the biggest understatement you have ever made. That is not like you!! 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:23:50 AM EDT
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Probably true regardless of what we do, but its speeded up when we nominate ourselves the IRGC Air Force in the name of R2P. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they don't care, why should we? Because that shit is coming here. Probably true regardless of what we do, but its speeded up when we nominate ourselves the IRGC Air Force in the name of R2P. So, what are saying? That we should cower less we piss them off? I might be misunderstanding, so just asking. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:29:20 AM EDT
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If they don't care, why should we? I know this might be hard for you to comprehend, but some people's sense of right and wrong is based on general principles, not political relativity. Well, if we're going to be shipping American servicemen back to Dover in boxes, it better be, in my estimation, for a higher reason than Samantha Powers' guilty conscience. She seems pretty silent on the subject. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:29:47 AM EDT
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So, what are saying? That we should cower less we piss them off? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they don't care, why should we? Because that shit is coming here. Probably true regardless of what we do, but its speeded up when we nominate ourselves the IRGC Air Force in the name of R2P. So, what are saying? That we should cower less we piss them off? There is very well going to be a Greater Sunni Shia War. The Shia have been killing us as aggressively as the Sunni. So, I don't think we should be in the business of protecting Shia stooge politicians too stupid to run their country. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:32:56 AM EDT
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Israel's fault as always.
Israel defending itself a against continuous terror missile attack......outrage from Europe and theUN. Muslims beheading Muslims, destroying religious and cultural treasures, disfiguring women, and displacing entire populations? The sound of snoring. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:33:30 AM EDT
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And that right there is why the whiny-ass "we can't afford to be world police" morons need to shut the fuck up. That have no idea of what they speak. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All this makes me wonder what is going to happen when Isis turns its sights on Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Will these populations stand up to the ISIS army or great them as liberators? Well, one thing is for sure, with the weakened state of America (leadership, not military.....yet) we won't be coming back to help. Those guys are pretty much on their own. Maybe Russia or China will step in (you know, for a price) but it sure as hell ain't gonna be America. And that right there is why the whiny-ass "we can't afford to be world police" morons need to shut the fuck up. That have no idea of what they speak. Spot-on, but they'll never get it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:33:52 AM EDT
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I thought it was widely accepted fact that they have indeed found weapons caches in UN schools: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/un-dragged-conflict-israel-hamas-gaza Those are likely claims by the Israeli government, and one could argue it's propaganda by the Israeli government but in the credibility category I think they rate higher than the UN. It's not like Hamas is bashful about threatening to kill anyone who doesn't play ball. I also seem to remember reading statements by Moon about being "shocked" to learn that was going on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? I thought it was widely accepted fact that they have indeed found weapons caches in UN schools: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/un-dragged-conflict-israel-hamas-gaza Those are likely claims by the Israeli government, and one could argue it's propaganda by the Israeli government but in the credibility category I think they rate higher than the UN. It's not like Hamas is bashful about threatening to kill anyone who doesn't play ball. I also seem to remember reading statements by Moon about being "shocked" to learn that was going on. They've been caught a couple of times. http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/world/meast/gaza-israel-why-civilian-deaths/ Last month, rockets were discovered in a vacant U.N. school between two other U.N. schools being used as shelters. It was the second such discovery at a vacant U.N. school in Gaza in a week. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:34:02 AM EDT
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Isn't this what the UN is for? No the UN is for denouncing Israel. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:34:22 AM EDT
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I'd be happy with simple specifics - like any credible sources corroborating the abuse of those shelters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't this what the UN is for? No, the UN is for allowing Hamas to stage rockets and then complaining with bitter tears that Israeli forces blew up a UN school that they allowed to be used as a terrorist base. That's what the UN is for. That's a pretty bold statement. Do you have any citation for that other than derp sights? What...that UNRWA basically is a terror supporting enterprise? I'd be happy with simple specifics - like any credible sources corroborating the abuse of those shelters. You mean the UNRWAP schools used to store rockets? Check out WSJ today. They lay it out pretty well. Are you saying, with a straight face, that UNRWA (P) isn't a Hamas support group funded by the US and EU? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:36:26 AM EDT
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"Moderate Muslim" is a liberal expression to allow them to discuss the issues of Islam.
How many "moderates" do you hear saying the Pledge of Allegiance? How many "moderates" do you hear singing the Star Spangled Banner? How many "moderates" do you find trying to assimilate into American culture? How many "moderates" do you hear condemning what the so called "radicals" are doing? A moderate Muslim is like a liberal who hasn't yet been mugged and became a conservative. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:37:53 AM EDT
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Politicians who knew full well Germany was rearming did their best to hide the fact from public consciousness. As storm clouds were obviously gathering, they ran around and talked about how safe everything was. To wit: http://youtu.be/SetNFqcayeA
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I wasn't alive back before WWII started and am wondering if the same sort of cowardly shit was prevalent with the lack of protests of the fucking Nazis? Politicians who knew full well Germany was rearming did their best to hide the fact from public consciousness. As storm clouds were obviously gathering, they ran around and talked about how safe everything was. To wit: http://youtu.be/SetNFqcayeA
Calling the Nazis what they were was seen as being belligerent and needlessly provocative. Sound familiar? I've been mentioning this lately. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:39:28 AM EDT
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Then why the FUCK aren't they wiping out ISIS and Hamas!!?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are bits and pieces of protest no doubt but it should be MUCH MORE widespread IMHO. The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and other folks in the region are most non-plussed about all this bullshit. It's not a coincidence that all those countries...who for a long time wet-nursed the PLO...are pretty much on Israel's side against Hamas. Then why the FUCK aren't they wiping out ISIS and Hamas!!?? Why do the Saudis fund all of those terror groups when their own regime is threatened by them? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:42:40 AM EDT
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You mean the UNRWAP schools used to store rockets? Check out WSJ today. They lay it out pretty well. Are you saying, with a straight face, that UNRWA (P) isn't a Hamas support group funded by the US and EU? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What...that UNRWA basically is a terror supporting enterprise? I'd be happy with simple specifics - like any credible sources corroborating the abuse of those shelters. You mean the UNRWAP schools used to store rockets? Check out WSJ today. They lay it out pretty well. Are you saying, with a straight face, that UNRWA (P) isn't a Hamas support group funded by the US and EU? What I am saying is, that I have not yet seen a credible source outlining that this recent shelter indeed harbored militants or weapons. I will check out the WSJ article. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:42:59 AM EDT
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There is very well going to be a Greater Sunni Shia War. The Shia have been killing us as aggressively as the Sunni. So, I don't think we should be in the business of protecting Shia stooge politicians too stupid to run their country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they don't care, why should we? Because that shit is coming here. Probably true regardless of what we do, but its speeded up when we nominate ourselves the IRGC Air Force in the name of R2P. So, what are saying? That we should cower less we piss them off? There is very well going to be a Greater Sunni Shia War. The Shia have been killing us as aggressively as the Sunni. So, I don't think we should be in the business of protecting Shia stooge politicians too stupid to run their country. What about the Kurds and the Christians that ISIS has boxed up in the mountains? |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:43:23 AM EDT
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What I am saying is, that I have not yet seen a credible source outlining that this recent shelter indeed harbored militants or weapons. I will check out the WSJ article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What...that UNRWA basically is a terror supporting enterprise? I'd be happy with simple specifics - like any credible sources corroborating the abuse of those shelters. You mean the UNRWAP schools used to store rockets? Check out WSJ today. They lay it out pretty well. Are you saying, with a straight face, that UNRWA (P) isn't a Hamas support group funded by the US and EU? What I am saying is, that I have not yet seen a credible source outlining that this recent shelter indeed harbored militants or weapons. I will check out the WSJ article. So are we talking a specific shelter or are we talking about the totality of the evidence? |
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