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Barrry will hire mitt Romney to head the effort. Romney will hire site staff and the jort crew to get it done. What's the deal with your avatar? |
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not that many ar's Bet there are at least twice that. |
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Barrry will hire mitt Romney to head the effort. Romney will hire site staff and the jort crew to get it done. What's the deal with your avatar? What's the deal with yours? |
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I agree, there is no way there is that many AR's. One need only look at the serial number on recently purchased lowers. For example, I just bought a Mega forged lower that is just over 11,000 - and it is all numeric. The one I purchase a year ago was in the high 7,000's. I would venture to guess between 12-13,000 forged lowers have been produced by Mega alone. I realize there are dozens of companies that have their roll mark on AR lowers, but if any of them (aside from the high volume manufacturers like Colt, DPMS, Bushmaster, and Rock River) have produced more than a hundred thousand since the end of the 1994 ban, I would be suprised. The high volume companies may have produced around a million, Colt more than the others. Although I have no way of telling how many have been produced, I would venture to guess it is somewhere around 25 million. Just my guess based on the estimated number of guns in circulation. AR's really haven't been a big seller until 2004. I agree there are at least a couple hundred million guns that would need to be registered if Feinstein's law passed as proposed. There is no way it could be done. The ATF would be backlogged for decades trying to register that many. You do realize that ARs have been sold here for about 53ish years? |
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Canada tried the long gun registry thing.
It took them 10 years and a billion dollars to realize that they bit off more than they could chew and shit canned the whole thing. They had people showing up at police stations in Canada with unregistered rifles screaming to be arrested so they could challenge it in court. The police told them to shut up, go home and take their rifles with them. How do you think the various county sheriff's offices are going to react when they get 10-50,000 applications for NFA approvals showing up in the mail? How do you think the police departments are going to react when they get 100-1,000 people showing up on a Saturday to get finger printed? How long do you think that it's going to take the FBI to do 4 million NFA background checks (it's probably going to 5 times that many actually)? Who is going to pay for all of that shit? What are they going to do in places where the sheriff refuses to sign (as you KNOW will be the case)? Who's going to collect the guns? Who's going to store them? Who's going to pay to have them destroyed? And what about the inevitable court battles and the stays on orders and so forth? And what about people who just flat out ignore the law? Swinestain is an idiot. She thinks she can just wave her pen and make a perceived problem go away. She isn't taking into account the fact that England and Australia had registration in place for decades and she isn't looking at what happened when Canada tried the same thing (with 1/10th of the population). Hell, the cost of buying the new computers, new software and new data center floor space to house an NFA database that is going to get 20 times larger is going to be prohibitively expensive. This is going to be a logistical and technological nightmare for everyone in law enforcement from the county sheriffs to the FBI to the BATFE. |
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I think there is a lot more than 2-4 million ARs out there.
Probably close to 20 million military pattern semi auto rifles out there by now. I've heard ATF estimated 5 million AKs in the country, and there is probably near double that with ARs. Then everything else. Of course not all would get registered. Let's say half the people register them, at 10 million guns I think you're right they would be overwhelmed. |
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Barrry will hire mitt Romney to head the effort. Romney will hire site staff and the jort crew to get it done. What's the deal with your avatar? What's the deal with yours? The deal with mine is, that's me. Seriously, that's a pic of me. Yours has a chick with an octopus on her head that I can't quite figure out.. She's hot, but she has an octopus on her head. It's hard for a chick to be hot with an octopus on her head. |
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I recall reading (somewhere) an estimate of 2.4M ARs. Much higher I think. I've seen data suggesting much higher. Think of how many they have pumped out since 2008 alone. |
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Sounds like a lot of paperwork. I doubt that I could get motivated to fill any out.
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Fucking endless speculation on this, that, or the other about bans, registrations, confiscations ad nauseum on this site. It is like many of you want something to happen. Thought creates. Gun owners are the most negatively polarized, defeatist bunch of poor me whiners I have witnessed. Just fucking STOP. Is there a moderation staff here that realizes how negative all of this SHIT is? At the least make ONE post where all of the defeated can go to speculate on their doom. ARFCOM is the breeding ground for negative thought. |
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Fiona apple. Latest video. I've always wondered about you avatar... and screen name... fucking evil hippies |
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Feinstein, BHO, and the BATFE can take turns fucking themselves with a rusty crowbar.
Eat a dick. Mine will be "sold at the gunshow" before I register shit with these cocksucking twats. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: touted as a way to create jobs ATF is in a hiring freeze.... the Martinsburg WV office had to fight and beg for several years and just got 9 new NFA examiners this month |
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touted as a way to create jobs ATF is in a hiring freeze.... the Martinsburg WV office had to fight and beg for several years and just got 9 new NFA examiners this month Part of that cunt from California's plan is to spend tax money to enable BATFE. |
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The AR15 has been sold on the civilian market since 1963.
Yeah, there could be 40 million of them. |
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The point of the Feinstein's registry isn't to reduce crime. It is to eliminate the firearms.
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I can name a few that they won't have to worry about completing registry forms for.
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I have an SBR on the books... as far as I am concerned that is the only weapon I own, since I'm on the hook for it Anything on a 4473 is eventually going to be retained forever by the ATF. what about those shops that had horrible fires in their offices? |
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The same way they register new machine guns.
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There is no way they would have the manpower or money to do this I just don't see it happening |
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I have an SBR on the books... as far as I am concerned that is the only weapon I own, since I'm on the hook for it Anything on a 4473 is eventually going to be retained forever by the ATF. what about those shops that had horrible fires in their offices? Have any evidence of that happening yet? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I recall reading (somewhere) an estimate of 2.4M ARs. Thought that was what Colt alone has sold to the civilian market. Yep |
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I have an SBR on the books... as far as I am concerned that is the only weapon I own, since I'm on the hook for it Anything on a 4473 is eventually going to be retained forever by the ATF. what about those shops that had horrible fires in their offices? Have any evidence of that happening yet? that's why they're called accidents. |
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I doubt they expect to immediately register the majority of AR's out there, anymore than anyone expects drug dealers to turn in their wares. Non-compliance is probably assumed. The idea is to criminalize possession/ownership. They'll pick off anyone who sticks their head up (and enjoy the feel good publicity of catching an evil assault rifle owner.) Your neighbor hears you firing a semi auto on your land and calls the police. You can't take them to public ranges anymore, for fear of being seen. You can't transport them for fear of having your car searched. If you can't take them out of your safe, what good are they?
Eventually you'll have been portrayed as a criminal long enough, that you will be marginalized; the mob will view you as just a small group of criminals. We can all talk about how it didn't work in Canada, but why take the chance? Better to stop it before it passes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I have an SBR on the books... as far as I am concerned that is the only weapon I own, since I'm on the hook for it Anything on a 4473 is eventually going to be retained forever by the ATF. Assuming that there are 270,000,000 privately owned firearms in the United States, and assuming (extremely conservatively) that 100,000,000 of them were sold since the GCA of 1968 would automatically mean that there are 100,000,000 form 4473s recording initial sales of firearms. These would not record guns that were stolen, guns that were lost, guns that were sold at gun shows, given away as gifts, traded for other guns, traded for other good or anything else. It would also not give any indication of where to find the buyer of those guns if they moved. If you think that the BATFE is going have a hard time processing a couple of million applications for NFA registrations of "assault weapons" but think they can just go find the guns using 4473s then I have a bridge to sell you. I guarantee you that the entire motive behind this registration scheme is that Swinestain was told first hand by the BATFE and her gun grabbing buddies that without registration and a ban on transfers, they will NEVER know who has which guns and where they are located. Confiscation requires registration and the 4473s are completely useless given the fact that anyone can sell a gun to anyone else without paperwork or a background check. |
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I think we all know the answer. Poorly. It'd take years for them to process the requests.
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She would also ban Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics
So that means more than just AR15s added to NFA that would include a ton of pistols too. |
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When Obama has to register his mouth I'll register my firearms. Ehh, not really even then, but you get my point.
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I have an SBR on the books... as far as I am concerned that is the only weapon I own, since I'm on the hook for it Anything on a 4473 is eventually going to be retained forever by the ATF. If it already isn't stored by NICS. |
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Quoted: Sounds like a lot of paperwork. I doubt that I could get motivated to fill any out. I really hate paperwork. Took me about 5 years to find the motivation to get a couple cans. |
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I have an SBR on the books... as far as I am concerned that is the only weapon I own, since I'm on the hook for it Anything on a 4473 is eventually going to be retained forever by the ATF. Maybe, maybe not. Seeing the pictures of those boxes of books waiting to be entered and filed from years gone by, water-damaged and growing mold from the leaky pipes in the basement hallways and rooms they were stored in... I have to wonder how much effort they'll put into recovering some of those. |
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