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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:26:23 PM EDT
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That is not what these letters state. the ATF said if you put a sig brace on a pistol, and can't use it as intended, it becomes a stock. you can shoulder a sig brace on a pistol if the it can be used as intended. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope they comment at a minimum. Sue them if possible for changing a ruling that has now financially harmed them. Yes it is sold as an arm brace, but the ATF has fucked up the entire 'way you hold it' thing. This itself could potentially have far reaching implications. If you fire your rifle with one hand you just "redesigned" it to be a pistol. Since "once a rifle always a rifle" you now have to register it as an SBR. That is not what these letters state. the ATF said if you put a sig brace on a pistol, and can't use it as intended, it becomes a stock. you can shoulder a sig brace on a pistol if the it can be used as intended. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:26:27 PM EDT
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Prob a recall
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:27:04 PM EDT
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Their booth at SHOT will tell the tale.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:28:06 PM EDT
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They sell it as an arm brace, and it is legal as an arm brace. Why would Sig need to do anything? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile fpni. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:33:48 PM EDT
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They sell it as an arm brace, and it is legal as an arm brace. Why would Sig need to do anything? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What dealer is gonna want to order and stock an item that can turn into an NFA violation the moment they let some dipshit hold it? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:36:38 PM EDT
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Not the BATF's fault gun owners and their stupid letters pushed them and pushed them until they had to change the rules! Well done dick heads  I see that you cannot grasp what really happened. 
Just an FYI the ATF and letter writers had nothing to do with it. What did it was end users misinterpreting a letter and than taking to the internet to say hey look what the ATF said we can do. The ATF than said that is not what we said, and they are right. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:54:14 PM EDT
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ETA: Nevermind, I did't keep up with the latest :( |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:05:58 PM EDT
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It's still cool to shoulder-up a receiver extension tube? For right now this week? Send a letter and see 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:26:51 PM EDT
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Its an arm brace. I dont have it shouldered, i have it tricep'd. Lol
 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:32:26 PM EDT
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Their booth at SHOT will tell the tale. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:13:35 PM EDT
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Did you read any of the stuff ATF has been sending out? Shouldering the buffer tube redesigns your pistol into an SBR by means of "intent." are you sure? maybe we need people to send 10x letters per day asking for clarification |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:16:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:21:00 PM EDT
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are you sure? maybe we need people to send 10x letters per day asking for clarification Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you read any of the stuff ATF has been sending out? Shouldering the buffer tube redesigns your pistol into an SBR by means of "intent." are you sure? maybe we need people to send 10x letters per day asking for clarification Maybe that's exactly what needs to happen? The more involved we are as a whole, the less wiggle room there is for BS arbitration? ETA: At this point, witnessing the extortion like nature of ATF's policies, the corrosiveness of their scandals, why not have them be made to explain themselves even if it's time and time over again? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:29:19 PM EDT
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Maybe that's exactly what needs to happen? The more involved we are as a whole, the less wiggle room there is for BS arbitration? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you read any of the stuff ATF has been sending out? Shouldering the buffer tube redesigns your pistol into an SBR by means of "intent." are you sure? maybe we need people to send 10x letters per day asking for clarification Maybe that's exactly what needs to happen? The more involved we are as a whole, the less wiggle room there is for BS arbitration? Yeah, let's get them to reclassified a buffer tube as a stock. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A more apt analogy would be a motor vehicle, since none of the tools you mentioned are regulated differently. You can drive a 4-wheel ATV all you like on your personal property, but if you want to commute on public roads to work in it, then you are using it for a different function, and will then suddenly have to meet all kinds of legal requirements, including safety, emissions, etc - and you will have to pay various licensing fees and taxes that you didn't before. The ATV hasn't changed, and is still a four-wheeled motor vehicles. But HOW YOU USE IT will determine what regulations, taxes, licenses, etc it is subject to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This supposed letter opens a whole new can of worms. I'm no lawyer, but legally it sounds  A wrench is a wrench when used to turn nuts and bolts. A hammer is a hammer when used to hammer nails. A wrench is now a hammer if you whack a nail with it. It turns back into a wrench if you go back to turning nuts and bolts with it. A more apt analogy would be a motor vehicle, since none of the tools you mentioned are regulated differently. You can drive a 4-wheel ATV all you like on your personal property, but if you want to commute on public roads to work in it, then you are using it for a different function, and will then suddenly have to meet all kinds of legal requirements, including safety, emissions, etc - and you will have to pay various licensing fees and taxes that you didn't before. The ATV hasn't changed, and is still a four-wheeled motor vehicles. But HOW YOU USE IT will determine what regulations, taxes, licenses, etc it is subject to. Disagree. That's based simply on WHERE you use it, not HOW you use it. If you can commute to the office on trails, it's perfectly legal to do so.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is not what these letters state. the ATF said if you put a sig brace on a pistol, and can't use it as intended, it becomes a stock. you can shoulder a sig brace on a pistol if the it can be used as intended. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope they comment at a minimum. Sue them if possible for changing a ruling that has now financially harmed them. Yes it is sold as an arm brace, but the ATF has fucked up the entire 'way you hold it' thing. This itself could potentially have far reaching implications. If you fire your rifle with one hand you just "redesigned" it to be a pistol. Since "once a rifle always a rifle" you now have to register it as an SBR. That is not what these letters state. the ATF said if you put a sig brace on a pistol, and can't use it as intended, it becomes a stock. you can shoulder a sig brace on a pistol if the it can be used as intended. Get Sig-Brace. Use it as intended. Post video of such on YouTube. Arguably, this would be a fairly decent defense if the ATF were ever to charge you with using it as a stock.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:40:08 PM EDT
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shit
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:47:49 PM EDT
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Here's a case that would be worth following. There could be more to the story but it appears a sig brace on an AR15 pistol. Charged with having a SBR. Wonder if there will be any evidence that it was "shouldered" during the home invasion?
https://www.turlockcitynews.com/crime/item/4515-ceres-swat-aids-in-the-arrest-of-three-for-turlock-home-invasion Sorry not good at hotlinking. |
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