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Link Posted: 10/2/2014 3:22:54 PM EDT
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  With the take over of China by the PRC. Yes, they very well could have. The governing body they made the agreement with ceased to exist after the Commies took over. If I were running the UK I woukd have parked a couple of SSBNs off the coast, had the RAF armed with nukes, upped the Army numbers, and told China to fuck off.
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Actually, Little Deng told Maggie the Iron Lady that if he want to he could march 10 divisions of PLA into HK anytime he wanted. He also said don't mistaken them for the Argentine.

But this is Aftcomm, history is for faggots.
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Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled.  China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies.  Big surprise.


The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).


Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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Yes, especially since the lease treaties were made with a government that ceased to exist in 1914.  The successor to the Imperial government still exists in Taipei.  If anything, Hong Kong and Macau should have gone to that government.  All governments have a responsibility to ensure that their citizens or subjects are not living under tyranny, which a communist government most certainly represents.  The UK and Portugal thus had a responsibility to either maintain controul over their respective colonies or to turn them over to a freer government than that of the PRC, which is a government which cannot be trusted.
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Correct.

It seems to me, that the steady erosion of their freedom, and more importantly the threat of the that erosion continuing, is why they are pushing back.

But evidently, they are supposed to log into an internet discussion forum and bitch about loosing their freedom and not actually do something about it.
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It's encouraging the HK folks are pushing back, but there has been a steady erosion of HK's rights for many years now.



Correct.

It seems to me, that the steady erosion of their freedom, and more importantly the threat of the that erosion continuing, is why they are pushing back.

But evidently, they are supposed to log into an internet discussion forum and bitch about loosing their freedom and not actually do something about it.


Look at their progress from the 50s until now. Lets see them fall back into poverty as Beijing takes over.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 7:04:53 PM EDT
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Yes, especially since the lease treaties were made with a government that ceased to exist in 1914.  The successor to the Imperial government still exists in Taipei.  If anything, Hong Kong and Macau should have gone to that government.  All governments have a responsibility to ensure that their citizens or subjects are not living under tyranny, which a communist government most certainly represents.  The UK and Portugal thus had a responsibility to either maintain controul over their respective colonies or to turn them over to a freer government than that of the PRC, which is a government which cannot be trusted.
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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled.  China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies.  Big surprise.


The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).


Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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Yes, especially since the lease treaties were made with a government that ceased to exist in 1914.  The successor to the Imperial government still exists in Taipei.  If anything, Hong Kong and Macau should have gone to that government.  All governments have a responsibility to ensure that their citizens or subjects are not living under tyranny, which a communist government most certainly represents.  The UK and Portugal thus had a responsibility to either maintain controul over their respective colonies or to turn them over to a freer government than that of the PRC, which is a government which cannot be trusted.


And as far as the international community is concerned, the successor to the Nationalist Republic government is the PRC.

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Link Posted: 10/2/2014 7:32:47 PM EDT
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And as far as the international community is concerned, the successor to the Nationalist Republic government is the PRC.



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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled.  China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies.  Big surprise.




The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).




Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?



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Yes, especially since the lease treaties were made with a government that ceased to exist in 1914.  The successor to the Imperial government still exists in Taipei.  If anything, Hong Kong and Macau should have gone to that government.  All governments have a responsibility to ensure that their citizens or subjects are not living under tyranny, which a communist government most certainly represents.  The UK and Portugal thus had a responsibility to either maintain controul over their respective colonies or to turn them over to a freer government than that of the PRC, which is a government which cannot be trusted.




And as far as the international community is concerned, the successor to the Nationalist Republic government is the PRC.



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Then I guess governments in exile don't fucking count for much especially during WWII. Because there are and were a sit ton of them when the Nazis rolled through Europe.




The Republic of China at no point ever lost in a manner that it's government ceased to exist. The PRC took over Mainland China but the ROC as a government never ceased to exist.




The replacement of the ROC with the PRC at the UN is a complicated thing but it boils down to a number of facts.




1. The Fucking Soviets and the Eastern Bloc pushed for it advancing communism. Albania especially pushed for after the Sino-Soviet Split and sided with the Chi-Coms as did Yugoslavia push for it to promote the "Non-Aligned Movement".

2. Leftists and Socialist Western Europeans pushed for it for economic reasons.

3. The United States while not agreeing to it did approve do to the Sino-Soviet Split and also for economic reasons.




We should have stuck to our guns and backed the ROC on the UN and also backed the ROC and South Korea against Communist expansion to the point of crossing the Yalu River and bombing the fucking PRC. If there is one thing we failed was pushing back communism after WWII.




We handed the Soviets half of the fucking world on a silver platter after dealing with the second most horrific country in the world. Nazi Germany.... the USSR was far fucking worse and we're still paying the price for it.
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Chinese promised them relative autonomy after the handover from Britain; they're reneging now and specifying which candidates are allowed to run for office.
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Why did anyone believe those fucks?
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How long before FBHO sides with Beijing?
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Put it this way, when the Peoples Army starts to massacre Hong Kong citizens no one in the administration is going to say boo.
Link Posted: 10/2/2014 8:04:25 PM EDT
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And as far as the international community is concerned, the successor to the Nationalist Republic government is the PRC.

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When Hong Kong was repatriated to China there were agreements on how its' administration would be handled.  China has slowly been breaking those more liberal policies.  Big surprise.


The British were incredibly irresponsible in giving Hong Kong to Communist China (same could be said for Portugal with regards to Macau).


Both territories were 99 year leases that expired on the day of the handovers. And just what the fuck were the UK and Portugal supposed to do? Renege?

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Yes, especially since the lease treaties were made with a government that ceased to exist in 1914.  The successor to the Imperial government still exists in Taipei.  If anything, Hong Kong and Macau should have gone to that government.  All governments have a responsibility to ensure that their citizens or subjects are not living under tyranny, which a communist government most certainly represents.  The UK and Portugal thus had a responsibility to either maintain controul over their respective colonies or to turn them over to a freer government than that of the PRC, which is a government which cannot be trusted.


And as far as the international community is concerned, the successor to the Nationalist Republic government is the PRC.

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Yeah, considering practically no country worth anything recognizes the PRC, at the expense of NOT recognizing the ROC Taiwan).
If the Brits had done anyhting but give them the land, I am sure the Communists would have threatened a total economic boycott (which is what they threaten to do if anybody formally recognizes Taiwan.

That being said...

Link Posted: 10/2/2014 8:13:56 PM EDT
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If that's true, it's good to know.
 
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NOTE: Occupy Central has no relation to our Occupy shitheads (as far as I know)




If that's true, it's good to know.
 


It is true. Their aims are totally different from the 'Occupy' movement - it's unfortunate they are associated with that name. They want universal suffrage and true democracy,  they are not anti-capitalist or any of that nonsense. And so far there have been no drum circles.
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It is true. Their aims are totally different from the 'Occupy' movement - it's unfortunate they are associated with that name. They want universal suffrage and true democracy,  they are not anti-capitalist or any of that nonsense. And so far there have been no drum circles.

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NOTE: Occupy Central has no relation to our Occupy shitheads (as far as I know)









If that's true, it's good to know.

 




It is true. Their aims are totally different from the 'Occupy' movement - it's unfortunate they are associated with that name. They want universal suffrage and true democracy,  they are not anti-capitalist or any of that nonsense. And so far there have been no drum circles.

Well, with the way things are going they'll have something in common with their mainland cousins. Tanks crushing them and the PLA firing randomly into crowds.

 
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:05:46 AM EDT
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Members of Hong Kong’s peaceful pro-democracy movement were attacked Friday by what many protesters described as a thugs loyal to Beijing.

The clashes occurred in the Mong Kok neighborhood of Hong Kong, and police appeared overwhelmed by the fighting, which saw groups of men attack encampments belonging to the pro-democracy movement. While advisers to the government in Hong Kong have said that they hope to avoid a violent confrontation with protesters, Friday’s clashes may be an effort to intimidate the protesters and splinter the movement, which has show signs of strain amid its different factions.

Friday’s violence comes a day after Hong Kong’s embattled chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, said that he will accede to protesters demands that he step down but said that his government would be willing to talk with protesters. In the wake of the clashes, leaders of the pro-democracy movement said that they would call off talks if the government did not end what they described as “organized attacks” on protesters.
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