Why do we not hotlink to DUh? - Page 2

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Posted: 10/6/2004 11:41:42 AM EDT

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Quoted:You think "the policy seems goofy"--well isn't that just precious?

You have a real hard time discussing things without being condescending don't you?

Not at all, but there is a huge difference between "discussing" and attempting to answer a seemingly unending series of remonstrances.

The only answer to "how exactly does the average du troll get ar15.com urls from the du server logs when the average du troll doesn't have access to said logs" I've seen is "because we said so".

Does anyone really NEED to hotlink to DUh? Is it really worth arguing for hours over?

I've got nothing better to do.

Why not a simple "okay, I won't do it"?

I don't plan on doing it. I'm just curious to see if someone can explain to me how people who don't have access to DU's server logs can get ar15.com url's from there and thus be enticed into trolling here.

Posted: 10/6/2004 11:44:09 AM EDT

[#2]

Red, we could tell you... but then Goaty would have to kill you... *shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*

Posted: 10/6/2004 11:45:35 AM EDT

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I was under the impression that this was a rule invented by those enforcing it because they believe that posting links violates:

7.) Posting topics or discussions with the desire to do the site or community harm. More specifically creating topics meant to disrupt the site's day to day management, disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to function normally.

I can only assume you are being serious, though your quoted statement is so far-fetched as to seem tongue-in-cheek. Just so you see it said--Staff and Mods are not allowed to "invent" rules of any type, and have ZERO input into the Conduct Code. In the long past I made two suggestions regarding the Conduct Code--one was ignored and the other received a "we're not going to do that" response. I learned my input was not desired. If GB asks to not have links to ONE site (DUh) hotlinked to, then it won't be hotlinked to. End of story. I quoted Rule 7, as it will be used as the reason for locking the accounts of those who do, if it has been established they know better. NO ONE will be locked over an accidental or ignorant hotlink. If someone deliberately does it just to cause problems--well, Rule 7 applies. This has never been an issue before, but now we have to use the Big Hammer, I guess.

Rule 7 is used in this case because if we try to put every frigging thing on earth into the Conduct Code, then it will read like the IRS code. Some complained it was too complicated, so it was abbreviated and simplified. Now some complain about various things not specifically mentioned. There clearly is no way to win at this--among those who seek to deliberately find something to bitch about. Bitch away--but this has been more than adequately clarified.

Edit for grammar.

Posted: 10/6/2004 11:50:12 AM EDT

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I was under the impression that this was a rule invented by those enforcing it because they believe that posting links violates:

7.) Posting topics or discussions with the desire to do the site or community harm. More specifically creating topics meant to disrupt the site's day to day management, disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to function normally.

I can only assume you are being serious, though your stated quoted is so far-fetched as to seem tongue-in-cheek. Just so you see it said--Staff and Mods are not allowed to "invent" rules of any type, and have ZERO input into the Conduct Code.

It doesn't seem far fetched to me. If you discovered posters doing something that you hadn't seen before and that you believed would harm the site, you would stop that behavior without first checking with the site owners, right?

That's how I'd assumed this rule came about.

Posted: 10/6/2004 11:55:57 AM EDT

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I was under the impression that this was a rule invented by those enforcing it because they believe that posting links violates:

7.) Posting topics or discussions with the desire to do the site or community harm. More specifically creating topics meant to disrupt the site's day to day management, disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to function normally.

I can only assume you are being serious, though your stated quoted is so far-fetched as to seem tongue-in-cheek. Just so you see it said--Staff and Mods are not allowed to "invent" rules of any type, and have ZERO input into the Conduct Code.

It doesn't seem far fetched to me. If you discovered posters doing something that you hadn't seen before and that you believed would harm the site, you would stop that behavior without first checking with the site owners, right?

That's how I'd assumed this rule came about.

Straight from the Conduct Code:

Situations which have not been covered in this code of conduct may arise and will be handled by moderators and staff who have been carefully chosen to treat such issues with fairness. The frequency of such situations will guide the staff to make changes to this code of conduct as necessary.

Please enjoy the Website and all it has to offer.

-- AR15.Com

If something like you refer to occurs, we handle it using our best judgement, but are then required to post details/links in the Staff forum for review by Sr. Staff/Admins and other Staff. Sometimes we overreact, but the one time I saw GB extremely upset at Staff was when the hotlinks were hacked into the sig lines. All of us were too ignorant to realize what had been done, and had no clue it was "bad"--but he was FURIOUS at us for not bringing it to his attention. It's one of the very few times I've seen him genuinely pissed over site stuff. As I've said many times--we do our best. That's all there is.

Posted: 10/6/2004 11:59:25 AM EDT

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BoreSigthed, you are incorrect. I suggest you check your facts. Referrer records do not pass on the last site visited. They only pass along information of the site that referred them to the page via a link, hence the name.

It does not always, but it can. I had it happen to me last month. AR15.com showed up as a referrer on a site that was never linked from here. The only way that could have happened is if I had surfed to the other site from AR15.com and it grabbed my last visited page as the referrer.

The browser controls whether the referer header gets sent. My understanding is that most browsers do not send referer information when using the navigation bar. I remember at least one browser that did, but that was a bug. That was a long time ago, so things may have changed.

I don't know what the specification says, but that doesn't mean much, since browser developers only seem to follow those parts of the spec which are convenient and/or politically expedient.

jafager

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:02:55 PM EDT

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Look guys, bottom line, staff and mods have asked you not to do it... so don't. Why is it people have to buck board policy every time it is raised? Please, stop making life more difficult for the people who keep things up and running around here. My lord, sometimes I think many people here disagree just to be disagreeable or in retaliation for some perceived slight to themselves or their board buddies.

Once again, out of respect for the mods and the staff who have to deal with this, please do not link to DU... and as an extra precaution, please open a neutral page first. Not that difficult folks.

Jesus Christ, Quit your crying. EVERYONE has heard your little tantrum and seen you roll on the floor to make your point. STFU already.

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:09:13 PM EDT

[#8]

Well apparently some folks don't think the rule applies to them 17, or choose to argue the point when people that are asked to enforce the rules do. So while I appreciate your input... I'll file it away for what its worth...

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:10:42 PM EDT

[#9]

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Look guys, bottom line, staff and mods have asked you not to do it... so don't. Why is it people have to buck board policy every time it is raised? Please, stop making life more difficult for the people who keep things up and running around here. My lord, sometimes I think many people here disagree just to be disagreeable or in retaliation for some perceived slight to themselves or their board buddies.

Once again, out of respect for the mods and the staff who have to deal with this, please do not link to DU... and as an extra precaution, please open a neutral page first. Not that difficult folks.

Jesus Christ, Quit your crying. EVERYONE has heard your little tantrum and seen you roll on the floor to make your point. STFU already.

dang it, you're going to get the thread locked before we find out how trolls follow hotlinks back here

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:14:36 PM EDT

[#10]

Hell Red, I hope it doesn't get locked! The more 17 has a chance to prove the level of his intellectual incapacity, the happier I am!

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:14:51 PM EDT

[#11]

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Look guys, bottom line, staff and mods have asked you not to do it... so don't. Why is it people have to buck board policy every time it is raised? Please, stop making life more difficult for the people who keep things up and running around here. My lord, sometimes I think many people here disagree just to be disagreeable or in retaliation for some perceived slight to themselves or their board buddies.

Once again, out of respect for the mods and the staff who have to deal with this, please do not link to DU... and as an extra precaution, please open a neutral page first. Not that difficult folks.

Jesus Christ, Quit your crying. EVERYONE has heard your little tantrum and seen you roll on the floor to make your point. STFU already.

dang it, you're going to get the thread locked before we find out how trolls follow hotlinks back here

1776, there are so many ways to say the same thing in a much nicer way..

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:22:25 PM EDT

[#12]

from my standpoint,

the OWNER of this site has asked for it not to be done. Whatever reason is up to him.

end of story.

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:27:07 PM EDT

[#13]

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Hell Red, I hope it doesn't get locked! The more 17 has a chance to prove the level of his intellectual incapacity, the happier I am!

Give him enough rope ...

Posted: 10/6/2004 12:27:34 PM EDT

[#14]

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from my standpoint,

the OWNER of this site has asked for it not to be done. Whatever reason is up to him.

end of story.

[whinemode]Noooooooooo Mike, that's not good enough for us... You must tell us why![/whinemode]

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