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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:07:00 PM EDT
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Chicken Hawk Pansy. Aloha, Doom 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:07:20 PM EDT
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You need to take your chill pills dude. Calling someone a "Chicken Hawk Pansy" is in my opinion a good way to get banned. But, I'm not gonna tempt faith by returning an insult. Been there and done that. BTW....on 2nd thought.... "Awww, forgetaboutit." Aloha, Mark I've called people alot worse than chicken hawk pansy and I'm still here. You are running your mouth about a group of men who are out doing work fighting our mutual enemy. How much of a little nancy boy do you have to be in order to mouth off about dudes fighting terrorists because you hold some sort of grudge against their great grand fathers? No idea why people still hold this stupid shitty grudge like they themselves were shot at by Vichy French forces in North Africa during Operation Torch. poster sanctioned for previous personal attacks. raf |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:09:14 PM EDT
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Sort of reminds me of the way that we used to cradle the shotgun in our arms when we were pheasant hunting. I'm not a soldier, but I've certainly carried firearms in both of those poses while hunting. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:12:32 PM EDT
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Q: why do they do it?
A: because it's effective |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:12:55 PM EDT
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You need to enlist and fight before your opinion of anyone's military is worth jack fucking shit. You chicken hawk pansy. How many Muslims have you killed? How many times have you deployed to some third world shit hole to fight a war no one gives a shit about while politicians at home seem to be set on destroying your country you love with every fiber of your being by letting the very people you are fighting into it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, they need to do more killing of Muslims in Paris before I'd take notice. Aloha, Mark You need to enlist and fight before your opinion of anyone's military is worth jack fucking shit. You chicken hawk pansy. How many Muslims have you killed? How many times have you deployed to some third world shit hole to fight a war no one gives a shit about while politicians at home seem to be set on destroying your country you love with every fiber of your being by letting the very people you are fighting into it? 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:16:59 PM EDT
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It's how you respectfully carry the white surrender flag. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:21:47 PM EDT
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After a 2 hour patrol, rifles get heavy. No matter how light the are. IP Unless I'm just a pussy, then again every Soldier, grunt, ect must be a pussy too then  You can't judge them! They had to carry their rifle all the way from the parking lot! 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:21:54 PM EDT
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I often hunt with a 16 lb pig of a rifle and typically hike several miles in and out. That is how I carry my pig. It's the easiest way to carry and have it readily accessible. Are you hunting with a bench gun? Or is this a huge double rifle? I know guys who hunt with their light 1000yd bench gun, but not many. And they don't usually carry it far. Last time I did it the thing caused me to be stuck in my chair when I needed to get up to shoot. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:25:56 PM EDT
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Some people in this thread need to google Verdun.
Also, they're ditching the FAMAS for new HK416F rifles.  Attached FileWant. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:27:19 PM EDT
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The three photographs I've included in the original post were saved over a long period of time to my tablet. I went out of my way to save pictures of soldiers I saw doing this, figuring that at some point in the interim, I would have found some training manual for French soldiers that outlined this particular hold. I've never seen a picture of a soldier from another country doing this, or I would have mentioned it in the OP, and I would have saved the picture to my tablet. I can only seem to find one photo of Chris Kyle holding it in this particular way-- it is the first result on Google if you type in the name of the rifle and "Chris Kyle". I only started this thread out of curiosity. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:40:23 PM EDT
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Are you hunting with a bench gun? Or is this a huge double rifle? I know guys who hunt with their light 1000yd bench gun, but not many. And they don't usually carry it far. Last time I did it the thing caused me to be stuck in my chair when I needed to get up to shoot. Savage 10PC, Bushnell Elite 3-12, Burris rings, EGW base, 9 Rd mag, 1907 sling, TBAC 30BA, Harris bipod (7-11" I think ... Not the BRM), it all adds up. I keep trying to find a lighter alternative, but it works very well for me. Not a bench rifle. Just an old precision (ish) rifle that is now relagated to my beater deer gun. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:42:33 PM EDT
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It's a damn comfortable way to carry a rifle, even if it has a sling, the sling will dig into the same spot and when you carry it like that it keeps the pressure off the sling and will give the neck and shoulders a rest.
Hell, at the range I will hold my rifle like that when others are shooting, it feels normal to me and is damn comfortable. And some peoples kids in this thread 
I'll take the French or polish over some of our so called allies any day. The French are some hardcore fighters that have been fucked over so many times by their so called leaders, if they were let loose all you would find is scorched earth and the troops sitting around drinking wine and smoking cigs as they look over the destruction they brought upon those that they fought. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:44:39 PM EDT
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Let me reiterate; When you are carrying a rifle for hours at a time, you tend to find a comfortable way to rest it.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:48:13 PM EDT
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Carry a rifle around long enough "at the ready" or in font of you, not slung on your back, and you will find yourself in the same stance.
Its just a natural way to easily support the rifle while easing some of the load. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:56:49 PM EDT
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It's how you respectfully carry the white surrender flag. It's actually a nice way to carry firearms when you're not going to need it that second, but don't want to sling it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:58:13 PM EDT
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I'll often end up carrying my rifle like that while hunting. I usually don't think about it... just happens.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:04:24 PM EDT
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What others said plus it is a pretty good ready position compared to carrying it on your back or side.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:32:35 PM EDT
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Rifle gets a little heavy after a few hours, resting it on mag pouches allows some respite. This is your answer. Those guys have been carrying a rifle for a long time, or anticipate doing so. We did the same long,long ago when I was a Soldier. Back then we had Iron Sights and long barrels. Sorry, just thought i'd throw a "old timer quote" in there. We really did have Iron Sights and 20" barrels. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:59:28 PM EDT
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ITT dudes that have never been to war talking shit about dudes killing Muslim terrorists in Africa in war that is never reported about. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:05:19 PM EDT
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French soldiers are actually considered really excellent soldiers and are engaged in combat in Africa (Mali etc) on a regular basis. They also have some very good weapons. Like the mini-mortars they use to great effect. They're pretty badass soldiers if you ask me. So are the Canadians I have trained with. Very professional and technically/tactically proficient. This dude looks like he prolly don't surrender often... 
I suspect that the white flag reputation comes from the actions of the French government, not the rank and file soldiers. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:11:28 PM EDT
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Vive La France!
I'll take all the friends we can get. Also...Vive la mort, vive la guerre, vive la Légion Etrangère |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:23:34 PM EDT
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Not a soldier but when I hunted as a kid I carried rifle that way if I was alone.
If with others I carried it slung, muzzle up. Why? I was taught to Keep gun in front of you when possible as it gets bumped less. But with people nearby it was always muzzle Up. Sling was best way to do that |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:29:49 PM EDT
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Typical GD. Writing checks with their mouth that their asses will never cash. You can attach me to any French unit you like. For that matter Canadian, Polish or Danish too. All are first class. Also, it's a common carry method used by just about everyone. Well. Except for the guys that only pick up a rifle to put it on a bench  You can add Brit, swede, Aussie, German and kiwi to that list, i worked with Ukrainians in a couple of places (granted they were cream of the crop) and they were pretty fucking moto too |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:33:58 PM EDT
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You can't judge them! They had to carry their rifle all the way from the parking lot! LoL |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:14:53 AM EDT
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Rifle gets a little heavy after a few hours, resting it on mag pouches allows some respite. This^^^^^^^^ |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:24:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:25:14 AM EDT
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I take it OP has never carried a rifle for a living or even carried a rifle over terrain for a few hours at a time. and LOL at all the shit talkers about the French army. No fucking clue. Yup. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:29:23 AM EDT
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Some people in this thread need to google Verdun.
Also, they're ditching the FAMAS for new HK416F rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/446939/HK416F-C-905x352-110893.JPG Want. why so that it will break on you? (in all seriousness in my experience they tend to break at a higher rate than a standard M4)(I use one at work)( I also work on a crap ton of them at work) 
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:32:43 AM EDT
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Just so everyone talking shit about them knows, I hope they're aware thousands of American troops carry their rifles the same way. That's weird. I was Infantry and don't recall that style of hold. I used to rest my SAW on magazine pouches periodically during hours-long road marches or on deployments but never even thought about trying that style of hold. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:33:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:33:24 AM EDT
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So... where's the pit thread?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:33:30 AM EDT
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I often held My M16A3 That way while standing watch in the Navy. Not High speed at all just a Gunners Mate who Stood a few watches. I found that was pretty comfortable with the Ultra Tactical 3 point slings we had. Didn't think much about it until i saw this post.
ETA Like the second picture the OP Posted not the first. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:34:09 AM EDT
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It's how you respectfully carry the white surrender flag. FPNI
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:36:19 AM EDT
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The three photographs I've included in the original post were saved over a long period of time to my tablet. I went out of my way to save pictures of soldiers I saw doing this, figuring that at some point in the interim, I would have found some training manual for French soldiers that outlined this particular hold. I've never seen a picture of a soldier from another country doing this, or I would have mentioned it in the OP, and I would have saved the picture to my tablet. I can only seem to find one photo of Chris Kyle holding it in this particular way-- it is the first result on Google if you type in the name of the rifle and "Chris Kyle". I only started this thread out of curiosity. https://www.army.mil/e2/-images/2011/05/10/108018/army.mil-108018-2011-05-10-080510.jpg What the fuck? Where are their helmets. No matter what kind of suck-ass shit we were doing they were never allowed to come off. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:37:11 AM EDT
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We wouldn't have won the American Revolution without them.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 11:51:37 AM EDT
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Rifle gets a little heavy after a few hours, resting it on mag pouches allows some respite. Yep I do it hunting even. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 11:58:11 AM EDT
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Rifle gets a little heavy after a few hours, resting it on mag pouches allows some respite. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 11:59:06 AM EDT
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There are some real jerks in this thread.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:08:56 PM EDT
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There are some real jerks in this thread. Yup. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:14:58 PM EDT
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Yup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are some real jerks in this thread. Yup. Careful or you two will get into trouble for making a general inference about some posters 
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:27:11 PM EDT
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You need to take your chill pills dude. Calling someone a "Chicken Hawk Pansy" is in my opinion a good way to get banned. But, I'm not gonna tempt faith by returning an insult. Been there and done that. BTW....on 2nd thought.... "Awww, forgetaboutit." Aloha, Mark Thank you for your service. Aloha, Longhunter09 |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:37:06 PM EDT
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there's a meme on Arfcom about how the French Army surrendered en mass during WW II. It's false. Then where are the sanctions for the morons that drop the white flag bullshit in every single thread about the French? But the one guy who calls them as they are gets sanctions? The white flag meme is every bit as fucking stupid as the 9/11 truthers who (rightfully) get banned on sight. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 12:43:50 PM EDT
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ITT dudes that have never been to war talking shit about dudes killing Muslim terrorists in Africa in war that is never reported about. What they said |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:04:49 PM EDT
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Speaking of odd carry, some old photographs show the Wermacht carrying rifles slung, but across the chest similar to what the OP mentions.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:04:56 PM EDT
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why so that it will break on you? (in all seriousness in my experience they tend to break at a higher rate than a standard M4)(I use one at work)( I also work on a crap ton of them at work) I know it's heavy, but all the cool kids have them, and there's an adjustable gas system on the latest version of the HK416 that the French just adopted to let it run better suppressed (at least in theory).
What in your experience breaks on the ones you work with? |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:07:32 PM EDT
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Because they all force bought FAMASs instead of eco'ing and they know they goofed.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:08:35 PM EDT
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I've seen lots of British troops carrying L1A1 rifles like that.
When I was issued a G3 we'd often carry it like that. As others have said, it's an "intermediate" way of carrying your rifle (in the days before 3-point and other fancy slings) - in-between having it slung on your back, and having it ready in a combat stance/grip. Not as comfortable as slung, but much more comfortable than holding it with both hands, out from your body. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:11:52 PM EDT
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French soldiers are actually considered really excellent soldiers and are engaged in combat in Africa (Mali etc) on a regular basis. They also have some very good weapons. Like the mini-mortars they use to great effect. They're pretty badass soldiers if you ask me. So are the Canadians I have trained with. Very professional and technically/tactically proficient. I used to play Day Of Defeat with a dude in the Canadian Arty, since they did not deploy to fight terror, He joined the US Army to go fight. not sure what happened to him. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:20:58 PM EDT
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Let me reiterate; When you are carrying a rifle for hours at a time, you tend to find a comfortable way to rest it. That's pretty much it. If you've walked around with a 10lb rifle longer than 10 minutes you discover easier ways to carry it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 1:33:37 PM EDT
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Well, they need to do more killing of Muslims in Paris before I'd take notice. Aloha, Mark Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ITT dudes that have never been to war talking shit about dudes killing Muslim terrorists in Africa in war that is never reported about. Well, they need to do more killing of Muslims in Paris before I'd take notice. Aloha, Mark 1. Are there any surviving terrorists from the Paris attacks? 2. I can tell you've never worked with the French military. |
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