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Posted: 10/3/2001 12:56:02 PM EDT
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Well, I have skimmed over many of the posts in this subject, but here is my two cents:
I may not agree with 'floaters' opinion, but I have fought for (and will probably do so again) for his right to his opinion. On a related note, some of the 'new patriots' are really beginning to annoy me. It has suddenly become in vogue to be patriotic again and some schools are just now beginning to say the 'Pledge' again. Why do people have to die before patriotism is important?? Is the 'Pledge' being reduced to the symbolism of reverence for the dead?? I hope none of these things are true, but they still annoy me. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:02:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Don't confuss love of country with love of government....it is two completely different things. sgtar15 ditto. country and government are two different things. i'll never despise my country. to do so would be to despise everything i stand for. government however does not conform to the ideals of what made this country great. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:08:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: around with one of those little American flags. It's because I think it's BS how everyone all the sudden get all patriotic and crap. I do not do the plegde of allegiance because I am not proud of my country, and so not support any of the desicions they make. As soon as they start making ones I believe in, I'll start prancing around with a flag. Sorry, this topic came up at work today... instead of calling you names and telling you to get out, i would say meditate on what this country is about. if parlorroom patriotism distressess you as it does me then perhaps you are not anit-american as others whom have posted here will come to a conclusion in knee-jerk fashion. there is a difference between country and government. i equate country or americanism with an ideal. government is made of people, some corrupt, some not. government and the mass media that supports it does not affirm or support the ideas that our founding fathers cherished when they built this nation for generations to come. think about this. that flag represents us, not backstabbing, lying politicians, not marxists or any other tyrants. the flag represents us and our dreams of liberty. unforced patriotism lib |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:13:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: When is this idiot going to be banned? [:(!] when he breaks rules consistently. un-Americanism (is that a word? well, it is now!) is not a violation of the rules. but with enough signatures.......[:D] |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:22:36 PM EDT
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Anyone up for buying Floater his own personal ticket to Afghanistan? One way, of course.
Whistlepig |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:23:29 PM EDT
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Good, one less person on the "will defend" list.
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:25:59 PM EDT
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Why stop with floater? Let's ban everyone who does not behave with some democratically determined level of approved "patriotic" behavior.
Then we can all get together and decide what books need burning. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:37:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why stop with floater? Let's ban everyone who does not behave with some democratically determined level of approved "patriotic" behavior. Then we can all get together and decide what books need burning. though i'll get flamed [flame] i agree with you. i believe that forced patiotism is a sign of insecurity. especially if it came from government (nazism) this is in reference to patiotism in general, not floater. if we kick out everyone who could be deemed "anti-american" then we may as well kick out at least half the country. fighting for freedom now means dying for people who do not deserve it. i would do it because its the right thing to do, not because i think it would be appreciated. i would even die for a communists right to freedom of speech. america is already a socialist democracy, but that would not stop me from protecting my country's sovereignty. its what my hope is based upon. history is a cycle, maybe the spirit of revolution against tyranny will return or maybe not. but i do not know love your country because YOU want to, not because others would force you to do so. a love of freedom is the most cherished american thing i can think of. what good is forced love or patirotism? i've met enough fake people already |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 2:47:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: I was going to say something,but it seems to be well covered. I'll add to it... Fuck you, Floater. Arq12 USMC Vet, and Damned Proud "Je Ne Regrette Rien" |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 3:06:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Stealth and anyone else for that matter who questions the validity of the FACT that the intelligence community was behind the events of 9-11. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=57265[/url] Jeez, links to site called "rumormillnews.net" isn't going to sway a whole lot of rational people as to the validity of your "facts". Believe and say what you will, it's your right. I'll do the same. Now re-adjust your tin foil hat, I believe you have it inside out. "rumormillnews.net" is almost as valid a source of "facts" as the Weekly World News astrology section. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 3:38:26 PM EDT
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You suck.
ARH |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 3:56:23 PM EDT
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Floater, you are a pussy. Not because you complain, but because you offer no solution to what bothers you.
Rather than take a risk and get involved or take some kind of positive action, you choose to whine and complain and try to bring others down to your level. PS you suck too |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 5:51:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why stop with floater? Let's ban everyone who does not behave with some democratically determined level of approved "patriotic" behavior. Then we can all get together and decide what books need burning. B27 and Libertarian, To clarify, at least my own view, and probably similar attitudes among others: The point is not that he is "unpatriotic." That entitlement was paid for with the blood of better men. He is certainly free to have his own opinion and actions, patriotic or not. Live and let live. [size=4][b]BUT[/b][/size=4], when he starts this type of thread in a public forum, as he has done, it is the same as pissing on the graves of the better men who died to purchase his/our freedom. That is the distinction that is so distasteful to me. Again, he is free to do as he pleases, but when he dishonors good men, we are also free to express our extreme disapproval in any manner short of physically attacking him. I hope this makes sense as I am struggling for words. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 8:14:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: around with one of those little American flags. It's because I think it's BS how everyone all the sudden get all patriotic and crap. I do not do the plegde of allegiance because I am not proud of my country, and so not support any of the desicions they make. As soon as they start making ones I believe in, I'll start prancing around with a flag. Sorry, this topic came up at work today... Then why dont you leave and find a country that does make the decisions you believe in you worthless piece of monkey poop! |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 8:24:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, I have skimmed over many of the posts in this subject, but here is my two cents: I may not agree with 'floaters' opinion, but I have fought for (and will probably do so again) for his right to his opinion. On a related note, some of the 'new patriots' are really beginning to annoy me. It has suddenly become in vogue to be patriotic again and some schools are just now beginning to say the 'Pledge' again. Why do people have to die before patriotism is important?? Is the 'Pledge' being reduced to the symbolism of reverence for the dead?? I hope none of these things are true, but they still annoy me. Exactly. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 8:47:22 PM EDT
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OK, I too get that bad taste in my mouth when I see these hipocrates waving flags and what not when the day before they were ultra pacifist card carrying PETA members.
However, why would you react like you did? Its like saying "I'm not wearing jeans anymore because terrorists are now wearing jeans." I can't understand how something like people being patriotic who "don't deserve it" or whatever would make you so quickly abandon a symbol of your country... You bet your ass that, when this is all said and done, most of these sheep will drop patriotism like a low calorie meal at a Rosie O show. BUT, if just 1% of all these people have been truly changed and really don't forget, then we will be a stronger nation and that will be WELL worth the perceived insult that we have to "endure." Also, I can't believe you didn't know EXACTLY what kind of response you were going to get from this crowd after posting something like that. Frankly, I'm surprised at how "easy" you got off... |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 9:02:23 PM EDT
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Its not the fact that people became patriotic because of this incident. Its the fact that people are changing.
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Posted: 10/3/2001 9:16:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Also, I can't believe you didn't know EXACTLY what kind of response you were going to get from this crowd after posting something like that. Frankly, I'm surprised at how "easy" you got off... I think, Floater, that you must be very young or very foolish, possibly both. Not because you are posting such inflammatory statements, but for not realizing how good you have it here and why it is that way. People who think like you just haven't lived long enough or seen enough of how the rest of the world lives to know the truth about America. You don't have the experience to understand why America is the greatest nation on earth. Live a while longer and maybe you'll figure it out. Or maybe I'm wrong and you are a lot older and more experienced, which means.... Oh, well, I'll pass on that. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 9:28:58 PM EDT
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Floater, regardless of how much I disagree with your post it is your right as an American. I, and I hope you as well as all Americans should be willing to die for that right. I don't know if this patriotic fever that has swept America is the flavor of the day or the real deal. However, make no mistake that this terrible tragedy has solidified in many Americans minds how important freedom is and that it is absolutely under attack.
You have the right to voice your opinion with the freedom that was paid for with American blood. For that, you should be thankful and patriotic even if you're not dancing around the flag......... |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 9:32:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, I have skimmed over many of the posts in this subject, but here is my two cents: I may not agree with 'floaters' opinion, but I have fought for (and will probably do so again) for his right to his opinion. On a related note, some of the 'new patriots' are really beginning to annoy me. It has suddenly become in vogue to be patriotic again and some schools are just now beginning to say the 'Pledge' again. Why do people have to die before patriotism is important?? Is the 'Pledge' being reduced to the symbolism of reverence for the dead?? I hope none of these things are true, but they still annoy me. I agree with this. I still say the pledge, put my hand on my heart at ball games, and get a little teary at the national anthem. I also fly my flag, and have a patch on my vest. And we all know where this new patriotism will lead. Why won't you surrender your "assault weapons"? Don't you love your country? Why not have a national ID? It's for the good of the country. You should have no problem being periodicaly listened in on by the FBI. After all, it's for the good of the country. |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 9:47:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: As soon as I have the power I will lock your account.. It's stuff like this that really makes this board entertaining.[:)] |
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Posted: 10/3/2001 10:42:22 PM EDT
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Floater, I agree that this sudden surge in patriotism kind of makes you wonder. Hell I'll bet Jane Fonda is even flying her flag, BUT!! better late than never! If you don't want to say the pledge of allegiance, that's ok by me. I knew an Army medic who was a C.O. who wouldn't either and he was a true hero. Don't confuse govt. with country. Love your country and question your govt. ALLONS11
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Posted: 10/4/2001 5:28:00 AM EDT
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people, you are all missing the point. Floater has the right to speak his mind. he also has the right to get his ass kicked by REAL Americans. so what if antis and jane fonda all of a sudden fly flags? they are Americans too! this is a time that we need to come together. it is also a time to pick sides. as dubbya said, you are either on our side (the American, flag-waiving, pledge-saying side) or you can be on their side (the peace-fag hippy, terrorist-supporting POS side).
"i won't fly a flag because my neighbor, who never owned one now has a bigger one than me." boo-fuckin-hoo! get out of my country, hippy, and stay out! and another thing, don't you remember the first thing NY's Bravest did upon arrival at ground zero? they planted Old Glory, to show that "...our flag was still there..." it was tantamount to a [b][size=6]HUGE[/size=6][/b] middle finger shown to the terrorist world. and every flag i see is just another middle finger towards terrorism, to show that we stand tall, we stand pround and that we stand TOGETHER. i won't force you to be American or show it, if that's not what you're into, but don't come crying to us for protection either. by not supporting us, you are supporting THEM. [-!-] |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 5:42:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: people, you are all missing the point. Floater has the right to speak his mind. he also has the right to get his ass kicked by REAL Americans. He also has a 2nd Ammendment right to defend himself from REAL Americans who think they have a right/duty to commit assault and battery. He strikes me as a whiney little putz, but kicking his ass is hardly an act that would cover anybody with patriotic glory. Try to understand the difference between being a REAL American and being a brownshirt. |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 5:44:58 AM EDT
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I think you're all missing the point.
Floater is probably in 8th grade (you know, where they ask you to say the pledge...). So, who cares what he thinks? Floater, do like Pokemon or Digimon? |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 5:50:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: people, you are all missing the point. Floater has the right to speak his mind. he also has the right to get his ass kicked by REAL Americans. He also has a 2nd Ammendment right to defend himself from REAL Americans who think they have a right/duty to commit assault and battery. He strikes me as a whiney little putz, but kicking his ass is hardly an act that would cover anybody with patriotic glory. Try to understand the difference between being a REAL American and being a brownshirt. thats funny, golgo, i didn't see your name chiming in on any of the "how to deal with peacenicks" threads, hhmmm, maybe you're one of them too? why don't you get in line behind Floater and come here to NYC, and say whatever you want to my face? again, watch your step, i wouldn't want you to cut your tender feet on the rubble, glass or bones... |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 5:52:28 AM EDT
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no, forget it. MajorM is right, i shouldn't even waste my time here. they will never get it. and its not worth my blood preassure.
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Posted: 10/4/2001 6:04:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: people, you are all missing the point. Floater has the right to speak his mind. he also has the right to get his ass kicked by REAL Americans. He also has a 2nd Ammendment right to defend himself from REAL Americans who think they have a right/duty to commit assault and battery. He strikes me as a whiney little putz, but kicking his ass is hardly an act that would cover anybody with patriotic glory. Try to understand the difference between being a REAL American and being a brownshirt. thats funny, golgo, i didn't see your name chiming in on any of the "how to deal with peacenicks" threads, hhmmm, maybe you're one of them too? why don't you get in line behind Floater and come here to NYC, and say whatever you want to my face? again, watch your step, i wouldn't want you to cut your tender feet on the rubble, glass or bones... I understand your turmoil over the destruction in NYC. Not that it is any of your affair, but I had family in NYC (at the WTC) and at the Pentagon, both. Thankfully, they survived. Just drop the attitude that YOU are the arbiter of grief and patriotism. Drop the "come here and say it my face" machismo posturing, too. That got old about 5 minutes after the internet was invented. If it distresses you that I don't chime in on every thread, then you need to examine why what I think (or Floater or anybody on this board thinks)is SO important to you. |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 6:11:37 AM EDT
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...and gentlemen, try not to let the opinions of an 8th grader cause any strife amongst us.
It's silly. |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 6:12:54 AM EDT
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golgo, you are the calm voice of reason, and i respect that. i respect it because i am passionate about my country and the fact that men tried to kill me, tried to kill us all. i am unable this soon after to handle it calmly, but if you look above, i am not alone.
you don't have to reply to every thread, just the ones you disagree with. why pick your bones here and not there? and the invitation to come to NYC was two-fold. 1) to get you here to see with your own eyes the carnage that hate can create, and 2) to dismiss the internet and everyone's ability to hide behind it. i highly doubt you, Floater or anyone else will resist becoming highly emotional in the face of grieving men, women and children. i want to discuss this face-to-face, because it is that important to me. |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 6:30:21 AM EDT
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Fatty,
I understand and respect how you feel in the face of what you must have seen. In the course of my life, I've had call to be at the scene many times when people have died in fires, car accidents, etc. When it is only one person, it is hard enough. When it is thousands, it must be overwhelming. I don't respond to peacenik threads because those people don't matter to me. Floater doesn't matter to me; as I said, I think he's a whiney little putz. But you can't beat people into being patriotic or loving this country or the ideals on which it was built. When floater, or someone like him, actually starts actively working against this nation and its interests then I'll HELP you kick his ass to pieces. For now, let him and those like him drink their double decaff nonfat lattes, play their video games, and feel sorry for themselves. They aren't worth the sweat off a dead man's balls, much less this much anger. I suspect Major Murphy is right about Floater. No hard feelings here, and I hope you have none either. |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 6:35:17 AM EDT
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Gotta love being an american where you're able to voice your opinion, no matter what...
then be threatened with physical violence. We have met the enemy and they are us. The next ar15.com shoot? Say it ain't so! [img]http://oldeagle.pp.se/hitler/ah7.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 10/4/2001 6:45:34 AM EDT
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what can i say, golgo? you're absolutely right. we have bigger problems to deal with, and i just have to learn to ignore the idiots and focus on the future. no hard feelings.
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Posted: 10/4/2001 7:03:42 AM EDT
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[:)]
Love it when these things work themselves out between members. |
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