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Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:27:10 AM EDT
I'd go with a Smith and Wesson G19 or Walther G19.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 7:31:54 AM EDT
I would go with the Gen4.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:23:16 AM EDT
G26 with +2 extension.

Better grip than the G19. Finger grooves are farther apart.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:47:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gone_are_the_days:


Glock 19 generation 2, used, 1 mag


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Glock 19 generation 4, new blue label, 3 mags




if the cost is about the same, which is the smart choice?
On glocktalk.com, the consensus is that the second generation Glocks were 'the best'. I've seen several polls about this.



Some people like the 'adjustable' back strap system the gen 4 has. Few people really like the finger grooves, as they don't fit 'most people's hands.



I bought a factory refurbished 2nd Gen 'police turn in' G19, at a very good price.  NO MIM parts. I had to really look HARD, to find evidence that it had ever been fired before. I put a stainless steel guide rod in it, because I didn't trust the plastic one. And a 3.5lb trigger connector.



They are FUGLY guns, the grip angle is horrible, but they are DAMN RELIABLE semiautomatic pistols, and there is a LOT to be said for that. If you put in the range time, you can shoot them very accurately. It's just more work than some other, nicer pistols. But they have very respectable accuracy potential. And they are REALLY CHEAP to manufacture.



Gaston Glock is no John M. Browning, but he came up with a very respectable pistol design. The last figure I saw was that between 60 and 65% of all LE agencies, large and small, use Glocks now, in the USA. That is a LOT of Glocks. And that is JUST in the USA. Glocks are used by police and the military, all over the world.



 
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:04:04 AM EDT
Pros of the Gen4:
Reduced grip frame
Grip texture
Larger area mag release
Dual recoil spring assembly

Cons:
Finish
MIM parts
Extractor/ejector issues

Technically, there are aftermarket extractors and strikers you can install to address any qualms you might have about reliability. A lot of manufacturers are using MIM stuff these days anyway. You could always have the slide refinished, too, but the finish is likely the least of your concerns.

The Gen2 would have to be mint to be a contender. So many have a lot of miles on them.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:11:52 AM EDT
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I love my Gen 4 G19 and carry it every day. I had some problems with casing ejecting in my face at the beginning, but after a couple hundred rounds, it got broken in and no more problems. Damn thing is 100% reliable.

Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Pros of the Gen4:
Reduced grip frame
Grip texture
Larger area mag release
Dual recoil spring assembly

Cons:
Finish
MIM parts
Extractor/ejector issues

Technically, there are aftermarket extractors and strikers you can install to address any qualms you might have about reliability. A lot of manufacturers are using MIM stuff these days anyway. You could always have the slide refinished, too, but the finish is likely the least of your concerns.

The Gen2 would have to be mint to be a contender. So many have a lot of miles on them.
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What is the problem with the finish?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:25:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Gen 4
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Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:28:14 AM EDT
Gen 3
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:44:29 AM EDT
M&P9

If you qualify for Blue Label pricing from Glock, you likely qualify for First Responder pricing from S&W.

$455 with night sights, $398 without at Quantico Tactical.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:44:54 AM EDT
Gen 4 G19.love mine...
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:07:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sixnine:

I have a gen 2, but honestly how old would the gun be? Mine was made in 1991 I think, and had a low round count until I got it 2008. Some of those gen 2's could really be worn out.

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Originally Posted By sixnine:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Personally, I'd get the Gen 2. I was one of the ones who got a garbage-ass, brass-to-the-face, FTEing newer Glock, though.

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I have a gen 2, but honestly how old would the gun be? Mine was made in 1991 I think, and had a low round count until I got it 2008. Some of those gen 2's could really be worn out.

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Nice thing about a Glock is you can replace every single part but the frame, bbl and slide AND get the slide refinished for very little money.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:11:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By filthyphil:

Some 4's have the  teflon finish
http://i59.tinypic.com/2qa8sap.jpg
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Originally Posted By filthyphil:
Originally Posted By S-28:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Gen2. No LCI and no MIM.


This.

Absolutely this.

Glock lost their damn minds with the Gen 4.

Inferior finish to the 2 and 3. Inferior internals. Goofy assed finger grooves, and gimmicks.
It's like Glock wanted to fuck up their own reputation.

Some 4's have the  teflon finish
http://i59.tinypic.com/2qa8sap.jpg


I prefer the parkerized like rough finish of the 1990s.

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:13:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded
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Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:14:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.

Great comparison there bud.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:15:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:

Great comparison there bud.
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.

Great comparison there bud.


For those who know Glocks its an accurate comparison.

G2: Steel locking block, Steel firing pin, Steel extractor.

G4: MIM locking block, MIM firing pin, MIM extractor.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 5:34:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sixnine:

I have a gen 2, but honestly how old would the gun be? Mine was made in 1991 I think, and had a low round count until I got it 2008. Some of those gen 2's could really be worn out.

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Originally Posted By sixnine:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Personally, I'd get the Gen 2. I was one of the ones who got a garbage-ass, brass-to-the-face, FTEing newer Glock, though.

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I have a gen 2, but honestly how old would the gun be? Mine was made in 1991 I think, and had a low round count until I got it 2008. Some of those gen 2's could really be worn out.

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Gen 3 started in about 1998.  I was in the police academy then, and it was all I needed to justify a new gun.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:09:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:


For those who know Glocks its an accurate comparison.

G2: Steel locking block, Steel firing pin, Steel extractor.

G4: MIM locking block, MIM firing pin, MIM extractor.
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.

Great comparison there bud.


For those who know Glocks its an accurate comparison.

G2: Steel locking block, Steel firing pin, Steel extractor.

G4: MIM locking block, MIM firing pin, MIM extractor.

Except both of the Glocks will run. Kimbers wont.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:10:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Gen 4
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No brainer.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:10:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tigermilk:
G2, fuck the rail
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Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:12:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:
Gen 2

The rail on the Glock 19 way overblown as any advantage.

Is does not have the depth that the 17 does, so lights are out there ahead of muzzle getting pounded.  Might has well have a rail on your 26 while you are at it...

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TLR-3
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:12:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:

Except both of the Glocks will run. Kimbers wont.
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.

Great comparison there bud.


For those who know Glocks its an accurate comparison.

G2: Steel locking block, Steel firing pin, Steel extractor.

G4: MIM locking block, MIM firing pin, MIM extractor.

Except both of the Glocks will run. Kimbers wont.

There must be something wrong with my MIM parts, because they work great. Maybe I should send it back to fix?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:15:49 PM EDT
If it's a Gen 2 police trade in, it might have the infamous NY1 trigger.



I actually kind of like mine though.

A police trade in shouldn't be as much as a new Gen 4 though.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:18:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
My preference is Gen 3

Between those choices, I'd go gen 4.  But between gen 3 and 4, I'll go 3.
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This
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:23:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Gen 4
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Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:27:53 PM EDT
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Get one of each man
Still searching for a clean gen2  for the 19 trifecta here
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:29:02 PM EDT
Gen 3 has a better trigger and spits the shells out better.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:41:42 PM EDT
Gen4 with Talon Grips and Meprolite Night Sights

Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:45:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By oldschool63:
17>19
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Nope.

Gen 3.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:54:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pointman12:
There must be something wrong with my MIM parts, because they work great. Maybe I should send it back to fix?
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They work until they dont. get back to us in 20-years.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 8:59:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:


They work until they dont. get back to us in 20-years.
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
There must be something wrong with my MIM parts, because they work great. Maybe I should send it back to fix?


They work until they dont. get back to us in 20-years.

Considering the current rate I shoot at...In 20 years after I have 100,000 rounds through that gun, I'll happily pay another $500 if it hasn't broken yet. What's another $500 after $18,000 in ammo that has been fed through it?
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:04:41 PM EDT
Gen 4 with nickel boron slide.








With beamz.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:08:21 PM EDT
Same price, Gen 4.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:10:10 PM EDT
Its a hard choice, I say the gen 2 but the 4 has the rail.


Now if the choice was between a 3 or a 4 I would go with the 3 all day long.

If you can hold them both and see what fits your hand the best.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 9:13:27 PM EDT
I like the Gen 3 guns. Of those two, get the 4.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:40:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sizzlin_bacon:
What is blue label pricing?

I saw a Gen 1 Glock in person before. I was stunned!
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One Glock dealer in your area sells Glocks at a discounted rate to MIL/LEO, and if its a Gen3 it will come with 3 magazines.  Non Blue Label Gen3s come with 2 magazines.  I believe all Gen 4s come with 3 magazines, whether they are sold as Blue Label or not.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:53:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
I love my Gen 4 G19 and carry it every day. I had some problems with casing ejecting in my face at the beginning, but after a couple hundred rounds, it got broken in and no more problems. Damn thing is 100% reliable.


What is the problem with the finish?
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo:
I love my Gen 4 G19 and carry it every day. I had some problems with casing ejecting in my face at the beginning, but after a couple hundred rounds, it got broken in and no more problems. Damn thing is 100% reliable.

Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Pros of the Gen4:
Reduced grip frame
Grip texture
Larger area mag release
Dual recoil spring assembly

Cons:
Finish
MIM parts
Extractor/ejector issues

Technically, there are aftermarket extractors and strikers you can install to address any qualms you might have about reliability. A lot of manufacturers are using MIM stuff these days anyway. You could always have the slide refinished, too, but the finish is likely the least of your concerns.

The Gen2 would have to be mint to be a contender. So many have a lot of miles on them.

What is the problem with the finish?


Some folks think the Gen4 finish isn't as robust as the tennifer finish of the previous generation.
Link Posted: 1/17/2015 11:57:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevenH:


They work until they dont. get back to us in 20-years.
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
There must be something wrong with my MIM parts, because they work great. Maybe I should send it back to fix?


They work until they dont. get back to us in 20-years.


Those parts are easy to replace.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:01:23 AM EDT
Gen 2 with finger grooves or not?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:09:46 AM EDT
I have never owned a Glock 19 GEN 2.

I do own a Glock 19 Gen 4. The new Glock Gen 4and the 3 were at that time both equally reliable. The Gen 3s and 4s were both experiencing erratic ejection. I went with the Gen 4, because the grip texture was better and doesn't require stippling in my opinion.  The magazine release on the Gen 4 is larger and more to my liking especially since I installed the better angled Tango Down Vicker's Gen 4 Mag release (I can eject a mag now without breaking my grip at all with my medium glove sized hands).  I ended up replacing the extractor with one from APEX and have had the most amazing consistent ejection since.  The reliability has been awesome with everything I've shot through it including steel cased Tula.

Nice pistol and I highly recommend the Glock 19 Gen 4 to everyone who asks for my opinion on a good pistol.
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Originally Posted By damcv62:
Gen 2 with finger grooves or not?
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No finger grooves and no "thumb rests"
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:58:39 AM EDT
I would get a gen 3 or gen 4.

So the gen 4 out of the two you mentioned.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 1:03:28 AM EDT
I prefer the gen2
I found a gen2 for a great price - considering around here they are very popular and hard to come by.
Sent it in for the "upgrades"
Turns out the frame was cracked.
So I got back a gen2/3 gun.
And with the cost of the gen2 and shipping, I could almost got a gen4....
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 1:09:23 AM EDT
I consider the G19 a compact gun and as a personal rule, I don't put weapon mounted lights on compact guns. So the rail on the Gen4 means nothing to me.

As far as the other "features" on the Gen4 guns, I personally find them not needed.

However, in this situation, get the Gen4 G19. For the money it is a better buy.

But, if I were going to recommend a gun. Gen3 G17. Grind off the finger grooves, under cut the trigger guard, install some good sights.
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:
Gen 2

The rail on the Glock 19 way overblown as any advantage.

Is does not have the depth that the 17 does, so lights are out there ahead of muzzle getting pounded.  Might has well have a rail on your 26 while you are at it...

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Unless you want to put something like a white light on it.
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Originally Posted By p226guy:

Great comparison there bud.
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.

Great comparison there bud.


Kimber had an external ejector for years.  They were not the best 1911's on the market by far.  In fact, early Kimbers sucked.

Series 70 1911A1 is the pinnacle of the design.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 1:33:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Gen 4
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Doesn't want to have to throw it down the driveway to avoid being confused for a 15'er when he gets yelled at for bump firing and calling arbitrary ceasefires at the public range.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 9:55:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:


Kimber had an external ejector for years.  They were not the best 1911's on the market by far.  In fact, early Kimbers sucked.

Series 70 1911A1 is the pinnacle of the design.
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Originally Posted By Zaminsky:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By AmericanSoldier1989:
Retarded question is straight retarded


Its kinda like asking should i buy a Series 70 Colt 1911A1 or a Kimber. Classic made with tool steel or a mim filled copy of its former self.

Great comparison there bud.


Kimber had an external ejector for years.  They were not the best 1911's on the market by far.  In fact, early Kimbers sucked.

Series 70 1911A1 is the pinnacle of the design.

I know Kimber is shit. Both of the Glocks will run unlike the Kimber.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:27:07 AM EDT
Gen 4
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