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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:34:44 PM EDT
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As noted before that pic means nothing. Some asshat could have hit it with a sledge or someone didn't know how to do relaods right. Let's see some documentation. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:35:27 PM EDT
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It's a joke. I have a few Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:35:50 PM EDT
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Here ya go.
You need to ask Aim4MyHead first, though. He originally posted that pic in this thread: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=13&t=10152 |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:35:55 PM EDT
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No, they must be cheap! The only military that I know of that uses them is the Austrian Army. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:36:19 PM EDT
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 you don't hear as many storeis of them blowing up because1-there isn't the Dean Spier myth machine going on HKs 2-compared to Glocks basically no one buys HKs therefore there are less of them to fail and be reported on. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:38:12 PM EDT
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I only see a guy saying what you said. No documentation. I can go hit my AR15 against a light pole, take a pic and say this happened when I was shooting. I can also moron load a round and pack the bore with shit and get one to explode. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:39:50 PM EDT
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Yes, they do constantly. In fact, the Glocks cost less to produce than any of the major brands, so they can underbid just about anyone. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:41:14 PM EDT
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 I meant my reply in gest. Surprised about the HK though. Anybody have pictures of a KB Beretta 92F? I cant find any. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:42:16 PM EDT
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Steyr, I am merely the messenger. Don't shoot me.
That USP isn't mine, I don't even know who Aim4MyHead is. If you want documentation, you're going to have to ask that guy. I'm curious too. Sorry. That said, I've been dying to find an original preban USP .45 with the longer grip. But unfortunately, I don't have the cash now, so I'm rather screwed. 
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:45:43 PM EDT
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I thought Glocks were supposed to be the most reliable handgun.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:45:47 PM EDT
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Sure they were ineligible for the US Army trials because they had no 2nd strike capability, even though no pistol instructor I ever heard of teaches students to keep pulling the trigger if the pistol does not fire. The Beretta 92 isn't an awful pistol, but it is inferior to Glocks whether the Army lugs 'em around or not. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:51:00 PM EDT
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me to ...  Lead bullets? uh ... my 40 puts lead bullets into one hole out to 25 yards ! (170 LSWC w/ 4.0gr WW231) yes, it is a very light load ... but darned accurate! I shoot my 10mm in competition with lead bullet loads that make the major power factor for IPSC, they are quite accurate also, never had a leading problem. All the others get a steady diet of handloads .... I have never had any problems from any of my glocks. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:54:58 PM EDT
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get a glock 18
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:56:21 PM EDT
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Glock 7 with porcelain frame ... 
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:59:44 PM EDT
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Actually, Sig beat them with the P226, but Beretta had a lower bid. IIRC, the Ruger P85 also performed as well as the Beretta. There was some political wrangling involved in that whole mess. Still, the only military in the world, that I know of, that uses Glocks is the Austrian Army. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:00:46 PM EDT
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How is the Beretta inferior? |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:01:39 PM EDT
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I thought we supplied the iraqi army with glocks?
Something about them doing so well in a sandy enviroment? |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:02:51 PM EDT
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My 92 is awesome, I don't think it could take the 180 k round torture test that one guy put a glock thru though. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:05:03 PM EDT
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They ain't pretty to look at, but they always go bang when you pull the trigger, and that's what counts. Now having said that, most other handguns will do the same, so it's really a personal prefrence.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:10:56 PM EDT
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No, it wouldn't, but it wasnt really meant to. The block is the weak point, I think they need to be replaced every 30k I believe. Glock wins in that department. I'm willing to bet there are just as many Beretta 92's as Glocks in the hands of Civilians. And I've never heard of a Civilian Beretta go KB, but many stories and more than a few pictures can be found about Glock KB's. Beretta wins here. I think it really comes down to personal preferance and not so much superiority over another. I think it all comes down to Beretta, Glock, HK or SIG. They are all good, but not all of those companies support RKBA. I know Beretta does! +1 |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:17:01 PM EDT
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too large and heavy for a 15 shot 9mm crappy first round double action followed by much different pull on subsequent rounds slide mounted safety Cruder design with more parts grip angle requires breaking wrist to fire |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:19:05 PM EDT
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Forget the Glock. Get a Walther P-99. P-99 FAQ's
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:30:12 PM EDT
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I have not seen a KB but I have seen ++P ammo break a slide on a Beretta. It isn't as hard on the hands as a KB but it puts you out of the fight and is a major part to replace on a gun.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:44:28 PM EDT
[#24]
Ammo which isnt really recommended for use in Beretta 92's (from the Manual) |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:52:19 PM EDT
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A simple statement entirely true, try to get Glock haters to understand this is like talking Fineswine into giving all Californians a shiney new AR15. Aint gonna happen. Hunter out... |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:54:14 PM EDT
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My Glock 19 keeps on going round after round. About 10,000 rounds to be exact. Plus it's an excellent carry gun with Winchester Rangers +P+ 127grain bullets.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 8:21:28 PM EDT
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But are all guns ballitically fingerprinted?
www.atf.gov/press/speech/fy00/040700ggdsymposium.htm This has been going of for some time, at least as far back as 2000, so even a used Glock probably is in this database. And this is a Federal program, not just the states that require the shell casings. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 9:10:49 PM EDT
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LARRYG do you have fingerprints? Who gives a rats ass if they ballisticprint the weapons, I mean really! It's a tool LARRYG, a tool for catching criminals. I want criminals caught and I damn sure don't have a problem with anyone being able to tell a bullet left my firearm, cause if it ends up in a badguy it belongs there. Hunter amazed........ edited to add an l |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 9:31:24 PM EDT
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I was a diehard Glock "dis-liker" not based on any actual performance test but just thought they lacked the beauty of my Sigs, 45's and HK's. The first time I ever shot one was when a local range was holding a indoor shoot for GSSF. When I strolled in with my RRA limited they said "Sorry Glock only, we have range guns". Normally I would have left but was bored and grabbed a 19, when I cycled the slide to inspect it there was chunks of carbon, powder and God knows what falling out of this pistol, apparently not cleaned for I am guessing 500+ rounds.
It cycled flawlessly and I ended up winning the match. Since then I purchased a 19, (two) 22 and a 35 practical tactical (.40). I am impressed with all of these pistols in terms of accuracy (no it cant touch the RRA 1 1/2 at 50yards) but the 35 is Damn accurate and I can remember only a few malfunctions in thousands of rounds. I went to the Glock Arm. school and learned a lot about the design and function (instructor said lead was okay, like someone posted keep them clean). I think you should give the 19 a try..... Good luck Robert |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:03:31 PM EDT
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Besides, after a few hundred rounds, the BF changes, thus making the program a waste of money. Hell, the anti-gun fanatics think it is a great idea. This is not a tool for catching bad guys, it is a form of registration imposed upon the good guys. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:14:49 PM EDT
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Allow me to add one to that list - the Danish Army also uses Glocks now. Interestingly, the sidearm that Glock has replaced is the SIG 210 - on of the finest handguns ever built. I'm not aware of all the detail of trials (and what other handguns they considered) but I think the large magazine capacity and reliability was certainly decisive (keep in mind that with mil issued ammo, things like reloads and lead bullets are not an issue). For the Danish army, I don't think cost was an issue - considering that they had used the insanely expensive SIG, and that every rifleman in the Danish army is issued an Elcan sight (which probably costs more than their C-7 rifles  ). For whatever reason, they must really have liked the Glock.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:32:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:44:29 PM EDT
[#33]
Correction: Sig was actually the lowest bid per unit. Beretta had a much lower price on spare parts than Sig, which is why the military chose Beretta. And of all the pistols tested, only Sig & Beretta passed the battery of tests. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 2:41:18 AM EDT
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Glock posted on, I think it was the GSSF website, a year or two ago that they were not involved in ballistic fingerprinting. You have made the claim that Glock is involved in ongoing ballistic fingerprinting before based on this 4/2000 speach and have been unable to provide any proof that there is such an ongoing program in the past. Whether you hate Glocks or not it's unfortunate that you continue to make this apparently false claim. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 8:47:11 AM EDT
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Fixed it for ya . I guess Glocks are alright as long as you use FMJ with out reloads , but toss the plastic sites as soon as you get it . |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 8:55:32 AM EDT
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I used to hate Glocks, but didn't really have a great reason. I bought a 34 and began competing with it in IDPA. In 6 months, I've really learned to appreciate the Glock. I was able to compete very well with it in my Class/Div. I still do better with my 1911's, but I can definitely see why people like their Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 9:07:51 AM EDT
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This standard applies to the Glock kB pic as well? I would hope so for consistancy's sake. I like to know all the circumstances surrounding a supposed kB. For instance, on the Gun Zone site they had a .40 cal Glock kB, but the picture was an aftermarket .357SIG barrel. I don't know if they left that up or not, it has been several years since I went there. That didn't stop DS from laying the blame right at Gaston's doorstep. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 9:10:19 AM EDT
[#38]
I have a 21 and a 17, never had a problem with either.
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Posted: 8/26/2004 12:42:46 PM EDT
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Just wanted to add - now that I think about it, I believe that Norway's army also uses Glock sidearms.
Since the Norweegians are made of money, and they can have harsh weather conditions, I'm sure that they also didn't chose based on what's cheap. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 12:53:57 PM EDT
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My 2nd-Gen G19 is the last gun I would ever part with. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 1:25:00 PM EDT
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But they're worth it though - being invisible to Airport radar and all! |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 1:27:08 PM EDT
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Your the first person I have ever heard complain about the grip angle of the Beretta 92 - I have put multiple thousands of rounds through them and my wrists remain unbroken. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 2:49:00 PM EDT
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I have put multiple thousand rounds through my personal Beretta 92 also. I did not complain, like it just fine; but the angle of the grip to bore is not as good a design as Glocks as you have to 'break' (i.e. bend) your wrist to properly align the sights v. the Glock pointing naturally as you extend your arm out. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:13:00 PM EDT
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Interesting - my Beretta points naturally for me - and one thing that amazed me about my friends Glock (.45 ACP subcompact) was how naturally it pointed for me also - so much so in fact that I am ready to buy myself a Glock 10mm. Now you're gonna have me studying grip angles! The only pistol I've shot lately that felt WAY off was a Walther. -edited before someone quotes me and immortalizes my typos- |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:19:07 PM EDT
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Mine hasn't yet using factory loads. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:21:55 PM EDT
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Oops.... GLOCK!!! |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:22:11 PM EDT
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OUCH! I'm saving that one for the files. It should be pointed out that the H&K's also use hexagonal rifling like the Glock's. I'd wager that gun had lead bullet reloads fired through it. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:26:22 PM EDT
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Follow Murphy's law when looking for a serious defensive guns. Glocks reliability and simplicity rule the day.
There are more "refined" and accurate guns out there, but the first time you accidently hit the safety or slide catch on your tricked out 1911 in a gun fight, will also be the last. A fellow officer recently fatally shot a bad guy here. He was our certified fireamrs instructor and a veteran SWAT member, a highly trained, awesome shot. He took 10 shots to kill the bad guy. 2 hits, 8 misses. When someone is shooting back, it is different guys, you need capacity. All that, "my .45 will blow them across the room with one shot" talk is total BS IMO. Pistol calibers are ALL weak, I'll take my 15+1 any day... |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:46:36 PM EDT
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Thats one thing I like about Glocks. When I pick it up and point it, the sights are naturally aligned perfeclty to a natural pointing motion. You can get the same result with any pistol with training and practice though. When I point my Beretta I have the same feeling as the Glock, but it took practice. I just cant bring myself to spending over $500 on a half plastic gun though. If I do ever get a plastic gun, it will be a Springfield XD, feels the same as a Glock, but looks nicer (IMO) and the price follows quality, its HALF PLASTIC for shitsake. Glocks shouldnt cost as much as they do. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 7:33:00 PM EDT
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"Glock posted on, I think it was the GSSF website"???????????????? So, you can't remember where they posted and that makes what is documented on a BATFE website false??????? Sure. Nevermind their publicly stated support for it. Oh, sure, they fired the guy, then hired him right back as a consultant. Denial is not a river in Egypt. I bet if the CEO of Glock came out in support of renewal of the AWB, you Glockaholics would deny he said it or make some excuse for it. |
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