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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:27:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. I've no use for either RP or DOE, thank you. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:31:55 AM EDT
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I was being facetious.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:37:50 AM EDT
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"How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work?" It doesn't. Sure-Grip is Mopar, Posi is Chevy. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:40:56 AM EDT
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All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. Sounds like a welfare queen. I guess Reagan is nuts? Seems Reagan ran on abolishing the Dept of Education. You neocons that scream Paulbots and offer no other arguments are laughable. I do have one question. Are you insinuating Reagan was a nut? I don't mind the name calling, but I would like to hear your justification for letting the govmt do your parental job for you. Show me in your next post the correlation for government spending on education, and the quality of education in government schools. Lets look at reality. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:43:14 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:45:46 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Half are illiterate with government education |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:46:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was being facetious. Should've used to appropriate smiley, then.  |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:46:42 AM EDT
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Standardized indoctrination. This. And expansion of governmental powers. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:51:19 AM EDT
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If you really want to get a liberal riled up just suggest shutting down the DoE
They equate it to actually "getting rid of education" and say that everyone will become a bunch of stupid neanderthals and basically go berserk |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 6:55:47 AM EDT
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I was being facetious. Slow down, Turbo. You don't want to use all of this year's posts in one thread. 
See, you need to add the face. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:04:17 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. 
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:08:43 AM EDT
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For liberals to push nation wide federal propaganda.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:10:19 AM EDT
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All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. There you go again with incessant, continual, never ending whining. It's like almost every thread!!!! 
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:11:07 AM EDT
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"How exactly does a posi-trac Sure Grip rear-end on a Plymouth work?" fify |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:15:29 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. If you think the FSA is a drain on our economy now... They'd be even more so if they were totally illiterate. Huge numbers of rural illiterates are a significant blow to China's economy, for example. It's arguable that they'll never be a global superpower for this reason. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:17:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. Sounds like a welfare queen. I guess Reagan is nuts? Seems Reagan ran on abolishing the Dept of Education. You neocons that scream Paulbots and offer no other arguments are laughable. I do have one question. Are you insinuating Reagan was a nut? I don't mind the name calling, but I would like to hear your justification for letting the govmt do your parental job for you. Show me in your next post the correlation for government spending on education, and the quality of education in government schools. Lets look at reality. He wasn't a nut, as such, but he sure was an experienced politician. He forgot that promise about the federal DoE as soon as he was sworn in, if not before. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:17:09 AM EDT
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All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. What does Ron Paul have to do with following the Constitution and using the smallest trace of common sense? |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:17:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. What does Ron Paul have to do with following the Constitution and using the smallest trace of common sense? Relax, he's trolling. Successfully, I might add. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:18:55 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. If you think the FSA is a drain on our economy now... They'd be even more so if they were totally illiterate. Huge numbers of rural illiterates are a significant blow to China's economy, for example. It's arguable that they'll never be a global superpower for this reason. Taking lessons from China? Government education is a huge drain on the economy. Give it a generation and neocons will be supporting government healthcare. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:36:38 AM EDT
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regardless, here at the state level in LA public school education expectations are ridiculous. They want teachers to be held accountable for their students making proper grades. You can start to see the disparities on how the teacher is not the issue when you look at areas that have easy access to private schools VS not having easy access to private schools. Here in LA what happens is that if you can afford it, you send your kid to private school. therefore taking that intellectual talent from the public school and thus lowering the standardized score average. It is seriously like a 3-4 point spread on the ACT's. That's a big damn gap.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:38:21 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. If you think the FSA is a drain on our economy now... They'd be even more so if they were totally illiterate. Huge numbers of rural illiterates are a significant blow to China's economy, for example. It's arguable that they'll never be a global superpower for this reason. Taking lessons from China? Government education is a huge drain on the economy. Give it a generation and neocons will be supporting government healthcare. You're the one who is a fan of widespread illiteracy, not me.... |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:42:22 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. If you think the FSA is a drain on our economy now... They'd be even more so if they were totally illiterate. Huge numbers of rural illiterates are a significant blow to China's economy, for example. It's arguable that they'll never be a global superpower for this reason. Taking lessons from China? Government education is a huge drain on the economy. Give it a generation and neocons will be supporting government healthcare. You're the one who is a fan of widespread illiteracy, not me.... No I am a fan of limited government and people taking responsibility for their own children. Try it sometime. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 7:56:39 AM EDT
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All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. Sounds like a welfare queen. I guess Reagan is nuts? Seems Reagan ran on abolishing the Dept of Education. You neocons that scream Paulbots and offer no other arguments are laughable. I do have one question. Are you insinuating Reagan was a nut? I don't mind the name calling, but I would like to hear your justification for letting the govmt do your parental job for you. Show me in your next post the correlation for government spending on education, and the quality of education in government schools. Lets look at reality. He wasn't a nut, as such, but he sure was an experienced politician. He forgot that promise about the federal DoE as soon as he was sworn in, if not before. So the shallowness of your argument is Paul is a nut for saying parents should take responsibility. Anyone that says parents should take responsibility is a 'Paul bot'. But of course it was ok for Reagan to say the same thing. Argument FAIL |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 8:08:03 AM EDT
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Gee, how did children ever get educated before the mid 1970's?
The fact is that this country had a higher rate of literacy in the 50's and 60's, before creation of the Department of Education, than it does now. The only thing the DoE does is shuffle papers, come up with bizarre regulations, and create make-work projects for its employees, like many Federal departments. LC |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 8:38:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. Sounds like a welfare queen. I guess Reagan is nuts? Seems Reagan ran on abolishing the Dept of Education. You neocons that scream Paulbots and offer no other arguments are laughable. I do have one question. Are you insinuating Reagan was a nut? I don't mind the name calling, but I would like to hear your justification for letting the govmt do your parental job for you. Show me in your next post the correlation for government spending on education, and the quality of education in government schools. Lets look at reality. He wasn't a nut, as such, but he sure was an experienced politician. He forgot that promise about the federal DoE as soon as he was sworn in, if not before. So the shallowness of your argument is Paul is a nut for saying parents should take responsibility. Anyone that says parents should take responsibility is a 'Paul bot'. But of course it was ok for Reagan to say the same thing. Argument FAIL Wow, did you miss the point! 1. yamaha6000 was trolling; that said, he also made a valuable point about how people throw out the paulbot insult when it suits them. And you missed it, and overreacted. 2. What I pointed out about Reagan's record is 100% correct and factual. Are you disputing that? 3. Politicians say all kinds of things, usually nice soundbites about personal responsibility, the importance of the family, etc., and then rarely apply that philosophy to themselves. Reagan is a perfect example. I don't believe RP is, not in any way. I have never, ever said RP is a nut. Having read his writing, there's no way I could. I'd say you need to relax a little and read more of a thread before firing up the flamethrower and hosing down those of us who will probably be agreeing with you on most points. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 9:30:55 AM EDT
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All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. Sounds like a welfare queen. I guess Reagan is nuts? Seems Reagan ran on abolishing the Dept of Education. You neocons that scream Paulbots and offer no other arguments are laughable. I do have one question. Are you insinuating Reagan was a nut? I don't mind the name calling, but I would like to hear your justification for letting the govmt do your parental job for you. Show me in your next post the correlation for government spending on education, and the quality of education in government schools. Lets look at reality. He wasn't a nut, as such, but he sure was an experienced politician. He forgot that promise about the federal DoE as soon as he was sworn in, if not before. So the shallowness of your argument is Paul is a nut for saying parents should take responsibility. Anyone that says parents should take responsibility is a 'Paul bot'. But of course it was ok for Reagan to say the same thing. Argument FAIL Wow, did you miss the point! 1. yamaha6000 was trolling; that said, he also made a valuable point about how people throw out the paulbot insult when it suits them. And you missed it, and overreacted. 2. What I pointed out about Reagan's record is 100% correct and factual. Are you disputing that? 3. Politicians say all kinds of things, usually nice soundbites about personal responsibility, the importance of the family, etc., and then rarely apply that philosophy to themselves. Reagan is a perfect example. I don't believe RP is, not in any way. I have never, ever said RP is a nut. Having read his writing, there's no way I could. I'd say you need to relax a little and read more of a thread before firing up the flamethrower and hosing down those of us who will probably be agreeing with you on most points. My apologies to you. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 9:58:49 AM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. If you think the FSA is a drain on our economy now... They'd be even more so if they were totally illiterate. Huge numbers of rural illiterates are a significant blow to China's economy, for example. It's arguable that they'll never be a global superpower for this reason. Taking lessons from China? Government education is a huge drain on the economy. Give it a generation and neocons will be supporting government healthcare. You're the one who is a fan of widespread illiteracy, not me.... No I am a fan of limited government and people taking responsibility for their own children. Try it sometime. Awesome. I'll bet people flock to your causes by sheer charisma alone... Your plan gives us a higher illiteracy rate. Explain how that makes us better as a country... Another high schooler who thinks he's got it all licked.. Bet it was public school too... |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 10:29:17 AM EDT
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Start giving illiterates the choice among learning to read, manual labor, or starvation... I'll bet you see the literacy rate increase pretty fucking quick. Untold millions of people learned how to read with nothing but a Bible (or Torah/Koran/whatever).
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:01:34 AM EDT
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Start giving illiterates the choice among learning to read, manual labor, or starvation... I'll bet you see the literacy rate increase pretty fucking quick. Untold millions of people learned how to read with nothing but a Bible (or Torah/Koran/whatever). What you'll really produce is: either work and eat or starve. That creates a permanent underclass with no chance for socioeconomic advancement, which is every liberal's wet dream. And your assessment is incorrect. In those days everybody but (some) nobles and the clergy were illiterate... That's really what you want? |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:16:28 AM EDT
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Start giving illiterates the choice among learning to read, manual labor, or starvation... I'll bet you see the literacy rate increase pretty fucking quick. Untold millions of people learned how to read with nothing but a Bible (or Torah/Koran/whatever). What you'll really produce is: either work and eat or starve. That creates a permanent underclass with no chance for socioeconomic advancement, which is every liberal's wet dream. And your assessment is incorrect. In those days everybody but (some) nobles and the clergy were illiterate... That's really what you want? This isn't a black-or-white game, where either the DoE marches forward to a socialist utopia or we revert to the dark ages. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:23:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: My apologies to you. No problemo, dude. 
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:27:39 AM EDT
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If you really want your head to explode, read this: Common Core States are basically being FORCED to follow these standards or lose funding. I came here to say this. homeschool while its still legal. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:30:56 AM EDT
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I agree, every state should be completely independent. That way when people with school aged children move from one state to another they can expect every child to repeat a year or two to meet the standards of their new state.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:37:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: All you Ron Paulbots supporting the abolishment of the Dept of Education are nuts. Oh, for fuck's sake.  Pat motherfucking Robertson wanted it abolished. EDIT: Should have known better, and should have read more of the thread. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:37:12 AM EDT
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Why must states send a dollar to DC to have it filtered through the bureaucracy in order to get back a fraction of what they send? The Feds have no business in education. Education should be a community endeavor. To ensure that future generations of Americans get properly indoctrinated into socialism & to increase the size of the fsa by keeping fsa children dumber than a door nail. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Earth is blue.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:40:39 AM EDT
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Start giving illiterates the choice among learning to read, manual labor, or starvation... I'll bet you see the literacy rate increase pretty fucking quick. Untold millions of people learned how to read with nothing but a Bible (or Torah/Koran/whatever). What you'll really produce is: either work and eat or starve. That creates a permanent underclass with no chance for socioeconomic advancement, which is every liberal's wet dream. And your assessment is incorrect. In those days everybody but (some) nobles and the clergy were illiterate... That's really what you want? I see what you're getting at, but I don't agree. The people to which I was referring as learning to read with nothing but a Bible weren't people in the Dark Ages, but people right up until the early 20th century... people like my grandparents, for example. Only in last couple of hundred of years has literacy really been a "marketable skill". Up until fairly modern times folks didn't fail to learn to read because they couldn't, or because it was too hard... they didn't learn because it wouldn't have done them any good. In today's world (the civilized part of it anyway), learning to read opens a lot of doors. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:42:37 AM EDT
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If the strawman argument is that we want illiterates, well, we have that now.
Do away with the Dept. of Education and start voucher systems were parents are free to chose where their kids go to school and stop having our children educated under a government monopoly.
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:46:25 AM EDT
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Without a Department of Education, the White House would have one less cabinet secretary to send out petitioning states to enact gun control....
Education Secretary visits MD to talk gun control 10 April |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 11:49:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. When has the government ever made anything better?  |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 12:03:30 PM EDT
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Is that Richard Geere? He looks like hell. But, agreed, the DOE should go. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 12:12:28 PM EDT
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Start giving illiterates the choice among learning to read, manual labor, or starvation... I'll bet you see the literacy rate increase pretty fucking quick. Untold millions of people learned how to read with nothing but a Bible (or Torah/Koran/whatever). What you'll really produce is: either work and eat or starve. That creates a permanent underclass with no chance for socioeconomic advancement, which is every liberal's wet dream. And your assessment is incorrect. In those days everybody but (some) nobles and the clergy were illiterate... That's really what you want? I see what you're getting at, but I don't agree. The people to which I was referring as learning to read with nothing but a Bible weren't people in the Dark Ages, but people right up until the early 20th century... people like my grandparents, for example. Only in last couple of hundred of years has literacy really been a "marketable skill". Up until fairly modern times folks didn't fail to learn to read because they couldn't, or because it was too hard... they didn't learn because it wouldn't have done them any good. In today's world (the civilized part of it anyway), learning to read opens a lot of doors. Your grandparents had public education available to them if they were in this country in the early 20th century. The first public school in this country opened over 300 years ago. IIRC every state in the union had public schooling by the Civil War. Access to education is part of what makes our system work, because in enables entrepreneurship and socioeconomic mobility that simply can't happen with an uneducated lower class. Illiterate peasants are the mainstay of third world dictatorships with low standards of living. Every modern civilized nation has some form of public education, and the gap in average standard of living continues to widen between those that do and those that don't. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 12:52:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:19:00 PM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. When has the government ever made anything better?
When has the federal government made it better? |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:21:23 PM EDT
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Why must states send a dollar to DC to have it filtered through the bureaucracy in order to get back a fraction of what they send? The Feds have no business in education. Education should be a community endeavor. To ensure that future generations of Americans get properly indoctrinated into socialism & to increase the size of the fsa by keeping fsa children dumber than a door nail. agreed, stupid ignorant, and illiterate people are more easily malleable. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:23:38 PM EDT
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Standardized indoctrination. This. They have to brainwash the populace into thinking they have a voice in the government and a choice in their elected officials. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:24:36 PM EDT
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Is that Richard Geere? He looks like hell. But, agreed, the DOE should go. LOL, no. Roger Waters of "hey teachers, leave those kids alone!" (Pink Floyd, _The Wall_) fame. But, agree with the DOE sentiment and he does look like hell. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:37:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: WooshIs that Richard Geere? He looks like hell. But, agreed, the DOE should go. |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 2:39:36 PM EDT
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WooshIs that Richard Geere? He looks like hell. But, agreed, the DOE should go.
LOL! |
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Posted: 3/20/2013 4:16:28 PM EDT
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Because as bad as it may be, having half the population illiterate sucks more. Disagree... 50% illiteracy just makes my literacy worth more. If you think the FSA is a drain on our economy now... They'd be even more so if they were totally illiterate. Huge numbers of rural illiterates are a significant blow to China's economy, for example. It's arguable that they'll never be a global superpower for this reason. Taking lessons from China? Government education is a huge drain on the economy. Give it a generation and neocons will be supporting government healthcare. If everyone home-schooled wouldn't the economy suffer more since half the workforce be at home schooling kids 2 or 3 at a time? Doesn't sound very efficient. |
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