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I think it's because they are closeted.

I've never understood how a guy who likes to go on dates with other guys is going to be the downfall of society.

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I've never understood how a guy who likes to go on dates with other guys is going to be the downfall of society.

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Slavery, jim crow, pro/anti immigration politics, the very fact that we're a nation of immigrants.

When the founding fathers decided that black people weren't human beings, they founded a country that would for a very, very, very long time have the color of one's skin be a very major issue.

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Only a guess, but I would imagine that many people on the board are fed up with overly PC crap and virtually anything remotely offensive being called racist. It has come to the point that if you are white then you are racist, if you are straight then you are homophobic, and if you are male then you are sexist. This pisses many people off.
 

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Ahahahha, that is awesome you are blaming this on the Founding Fathers, true American patriots. The Foundings Father's choices don't impact the current situation in America as much as some people, who have resorted to creating cultures of victimization, and sticking to the government dole. Furthermore, the destruction of the plantation system created a class of people who had no occupation or anything. They had been raised in a framework where they were provided for everything, and one day that entire system came crumbling down, leaving them with no hope of doing anything, so certain people went in sharecropping (which is debatable if it is better or worse) and some people just collapsed, resulting in people on the government dole today. Whether or not you agree with the destruction of the plantation system, it was very unfair and even cruel to totally destroy someones entire existence in one day, a gradual process would have been better.

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I would argue that the founding fathers choices have the most profound affect on the current situation.

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ARFCOM is not the problem.

I think the better question would be, "Why is America so obsessed with race?"

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Only a guess, but I would imagine that many people on the board are fed up with overly PC crap and virtually anything remotely offensive being called racist. It has come to the point that if you are white then you are racist, if you are straight then you are homophobic, and if you are male then you are sexist. This pisses many people off.
 

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To someone who wears their heart and feelings on their sleeve, or graduated from womans or black studies program, that would be considered RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.  Personally, I know it is all in fun, and that you love your wife and kids dear, so I know better.  But there are some who are perpetually on the prowl looking for the slightest perceived insult, ready to scream and condemn and villify.

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Only a guess, but I would imagine that many people on the board are fed up with overly PC crap and virtually anything remotely offensive being called racist. It has come to the point that if you are white then you are racist, if you are straight then you are homophobic, and if you are male then you are sexist. This pisses many people off.
 

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This is very easy to understand but you have to have an open mind. African Americans are only a few  generations removed from slavery using 1865 as a reference and 1 generation away from the end of segregation ( 1969). The image and attitude of the portion of the population who sought to withhold education and resources to minorities based solely on the color of their skin is fresh in the minds of their minds.  You cant be conditioned to and exposed to a certain set of behaviors and when they end suddenly be expected to forget them.  Gen x was born just after the end of segregation and was raised by a generation that were exposed to a lot of ugliness based on race. The attitudes of the parents were transfered to the kids  but not to the same degree because they were not exposed to the same social behaviors that their parents were. Each successive generations exposure becomes less and less and eventually the stigma will disappear.
Hell according to census figures eventually with the mixing of ethnicities here in the US we will all be close to the same skin color in 100 yrs, just like Puerto Rico.

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I hear ya. I work alot in Mass, so whenever I even get a hint that someone's about to call me racist for my conservatives views, I make it a point to bring up a picture of my family on my computer desktop, that kinda puts an end to that. And you're right, my kids are my life, those comments are made among friends.

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I believe this is why racism occurs. I find it interesting that difference and tolerance is supposed to be appreciated, but if you are white and would like to stay white, you are berated and belittled instead of that interest being tolerated. I for one wouldn't want to force my children to be half something half another, "mudbloods" as in the Harry Potter stories. It creates a person that has a hard time fitting into society because they can't identify with one particular culture. Any time a discussion about race occurs, many people are programmed to just call any whites partaking in said discussion racist, because they are too weak to formulate their own arguments, and have a rely on framework provided by people before them. Racism in America today is a crutch, and remember that you can try to make things all the fair you want however when you go to far on the spectrum you defeat your original goal of creating equality. However, the goal isn't about fairness its about dismantling the established system read ie "whites"

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You misplaced your response up in the quote, but I found it and will reply.

I don't think the founding fathers are to "blame," I think the southerners who insisted upon slavery are to blame. However, the founding fathers are responsible.

This is the greatest country in the world and always has been, but being the best isn't the same as being perfect, and the problem of race is rooted in the compromised forced on the virtuous northerners by the tyrannical southerners.

It was a necessary compromise for the greater good, but the fact that it ended well doesn't absolve the people responsible.

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You mean payback.  Its not about fairness, its about new favoratism and revenge.  PS  I find that very sad.  Rodney Kings words suddenly ring very true "Cant We just Get Along??"

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You do realize that slavery would have ended as machines would have taken over the work, don't you. However, if you want to blame slavery, especially in Africa you have many tribes and many groups to go after, not just the white southerners. Africans were enslaved by their own people for hundreds perhaps thousands of years before whites got there.Thus rendering your claim that "whites" relegated these people to the non-human pile useless really, they simply bought something from an African tribe who had already rendered these people "property." I don't hear white people crying for reparations against the Romans, who enslaved I would be willing to say almost every white persons ancestor across Europe. Also I don't hear crys against endentured servitude, which really was a horrible practice. However I do see certain classes of people that are crying about the things done to them in the past, as reasoning for receiving certain favors over white people, instead of utilizing that "ill" as a powerbase, as a way to show they are better than that, earning respect instead of simply receiving it because they are x group of people.

Furthermore, that conduct still exists in certain portions of Africa today. I find it interesting that people adhere to the believe that Abraham Lincoln wanted to "free" the slaves, he did not, but it did indeed make for a compelling reason to have his goals that he had. This "hero" that most people believe called out the army on his own people, New York I believe and it was the first time in American History. If a President, is willing to kill his own people with the army, that seems to go against the constitution to me and he certainly isn't a "hero". He also created much of the agencies we have today, taking the power from the states into the larger government powerbase, which FDR finished.

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In Before The White Guilt....

When the founding fathers decided that black people weren't human beings

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I think it's because they are closeted.

I've never understood how a guy who likes to go on dates with other guys is going to be the downfall of society.

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Ahhhh because two men can not reproduce?

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Quoted: I find it interesting that people adhere to the believe that Abraham Lincoln wanted to "free" the slaves, he did not, but it did indeed make for a compelling reason to have his goals that he had. This "hero" that most people believe called out the army on his own people, New York I believe and it was the first time in American History. If a President, is willing to kill his own people with the army, that seems to go against the constitution to me and he certainly isn't a "hero". He also created much of the agencies we have today, taking the power from the states into the larger government powerbase, which FDR finished.

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Ahhhh because two men can not reproduce?

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If you look down upon racism, then arfcom offers endless opportunities to call it out and criticize and be disdainful.

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Society in general is infatuated with racism, or more correctly, the appearance of racism. Conditioning from The Left.

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Its not white guilt, its the truth.  I'm not sure why everyone here seems to hold the Founding Fathers up as though they were God's.  You can't say you think man was endowed with certain rights and then deny those rights to a certain group of people based on their skin.  You're either a hypocrite, or you just don't believe certain groups of people are truly human.

John Jay, great supporter of the Constitution after its creation and an author of The Federalist wrote in 1786, "It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused."

Oliver Ellsworth, one of the signers of the Constitution wrote, a few months after the Convention adjourned, "All good men wish the entire abolition of slavery, as soon as it can take place with safety to the public, and for the lasting good of the present wretched race of slaves."

Patrick Henry, the great Virginian patriot, refused to attend the Convention because he "smelt a rat," was outspoken on the issue, despite his citizenship in a slave state. In 1773, he wrote, "I believe a time will come when an opportunity will be offered to abolish this lamentable evil. Everything we do is to improve it, if it happens in our day; if not, let us transmit to our descendants, together with our slaves, a pity for their unhappy lot and an abhorrence of slavery."

Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence, which, famously, declares that "all men are created equal," wrote, "There must doubtless be an unhappy influence on the manners of our people produced by the existence of slavery among us. The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it; for man is an imitative animal. This quality is the germ of all education in him." Alas, like many Southerners, Jefferson held slaves, as many as 223 at some points in his life. His family sold his slaves after his death, in an effort to relieve the debt he left his estate in.

In a letter to the Marquis de Lafayette, George Washington wrote, "[Y]our late purchase of an estate in the colony of Cayenne, with a view to emancipating the slaves on it, is a generous and noble proof of your humanity. Would to God a like spirit would diffuse itself generally into the minds of the people of this country; but I despair of seeing it." Washington and his wife held over 300 slaves. He wrote in his will that he'd wished to free his slaves, but that because of intermarriage between his and Martha's slaves, he feared the break-up of families should only his slaves be freed. He directed that his slaves be freed upon her death. His will provided for the continued care of all slaves, paid for from his estate.

The great American scientist and publisher Benjamin Franklin held several slaves during his lifetime. He willed one of them be freed upon his death, but Franklin outlived him. In 1789, he said, "Slavery is such an atrocious debasement of human nature, that its very extirpation, if not performed with solicitous care, may sometimes open a source of serious evils."

Other examples of anti-slavery messages abound from the late 1700's. They illustrate the feelings of some, but those feelings cannot be seen in the product of their works at creating a government. Despite the freedoms demanded in the Declaration and the freedoms reserved in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, slavery was not only tolerated in the Constitution, but it was codified.

The Constitution has often been called a living tribute to the art of compromise. In the slavery question, this can be seen most clearly. The Convention had representatives from every corner of the United States, including, of course, the South, where slavery was most pronounced.

Slavery is a form of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others. Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages). Evidence of slavery predates written records, and has existed to varying extents, forms and periods in almost all cultures and continents.[1] In some societies, slavery existed as a legal institution or socio-economic system, but today it is formally outlawed in nearly all countries. Nevertheless, the practice continues in various forms around the world.


The English word slave derives - through Old French and Medieval Latin - from the medieval word for Slavic, a people of Central and Eastern Europe, many of whom were sold in slavery after conquest by the Holy Roman Empire.

Slavery can be traced back to the earliest records, such as the Bible and the Code of Hammurabi (ca. 1760 BC), which refers to it as an established institution.[6] Slavery in ancient cultures was known to occur in civilizations as old as Sumer, and it was found in every civilization, including Ancient Egypt, the Akkadian Empire, Assyria, Ancient Greece, Rome and parts of its empire, and the Islamic Caliphate.[7] Such institutions were a mixture of debt-slavery, punishment for crime, the enslavement of prisoners of war, child abandonment, and the birth of slave children to slaves. Records of slavery in Ancient Greece go as far back as Mycenaean Greece.

The people subjected to Roman slavery came from all over Europe and the Mediterranean. Greeks, Berbers, Germans, Britons, Thracians, Gauls, Jews, Arabs, and many more were slaves used not only for labour, but also for amusement (e.g. gladiators and sex slaves). This oppression by an elite minority eventually led to slave revolts (see Roman Servile Wars); the Third Servile War led by Spartacus was the most famous and severe. By the late Republican era, slavery had become a vital economic pillar in the wealth of Rome.[12] It is estimated that over 25% of the population of Ancient Rome was enslaved.[13]

Slavery in early medieval Europe was so common that the Roman Catholic Church repeatedly prohibited it — or at least the export of Christian slaves to non-Christian lands was prohibited at e.g. the Council of Koblenz in 922, the Council of London (1102), and the Council of Armagh (1171).[22]

Slavery was prominent presumably elsewhere in Africa long before the beginnings of the transatlantic slave trade.[29]

Some historians estimate that between 11 and 18 million black African slaves crossed the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara Desert from 650 AD to 1900 AD,[1][58][59] compared with the 9.4 to 12 million Africans who were taken to the Americas.[1]

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Humor rears it ugly head!

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While we're on the topic, I'm Irish and my wife is Nicaraguan.

We have 2 beautiful children, light skinned but they tan up darker than my wife in a week, after the snow melts, no sunburns.

I call them McSpics, my sister calls them Latin Leprauchans. Anybody offended?

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Its ARFCOM doing its part to have a frank discussion of racism as called for by our esteemed  Attorney General Eric Holder

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