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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:43:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing. There are exceptions to alcohol restrictions in places like Utah where it comes from religious traditions, but in other states like PA, the legacy for no alcohol sales on Sundays, state stores ecte ct are from Democrat/Progressive big gov. regulations imposed after the repeal of prohibition in the 1930's. And the government just arbitrarily picked Sunday? I think not. YES. Pennsy has State run liquor stores since the end of prohibition. Keep in mind that up until the early 1980's, almost every business was closed on Sundays including places like shopping malls. Hell, alot of places when I grew up were closed Saturday AND Sunday and it wasn't because of any overt religious reasons. Having business's open 7 days a week is a fairly recent phenomena that many of the younger members here will not comprehend. State run liquor stores are not interested in customer service or convenience. Your state run DMV isn't open on Sundays is it? Is that because of religion? I grew up in PA until I was 16 then lived there again for 6 years from 99-05. Sunday prohibition has definitely got a religious foundation - and not just in PA. ETA - laws against hunting on Sunday are the same way. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:50:47 AM EDT
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google blue laws it's not the idea of the baptists restricting booze sales. it's the idea that a theocracy is no better than a dictatorship and NEITHER has a place in a free governement. Religion in society must be tempored with reason. The US is a largely christian nation but it is not an ONLY christian nation. But if a majority of people in a community want that, then shouldn't that be ok? I mean it's not the feds enforcing it. BTW, TBS, you KNOW I don't support blue laws. I just think that people in a city can make the rules if thats what the majority of them want. Hell, Arab, AL is wet now. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:55:39 AM EDT
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Christianity has robbed me of my mother.
She was a regular middle class women who was on the fence about religion her whole life and then my step dad cheated on her and now she's gone off the deep end. Everything revolves around religion now. She's said certain things that I feel are disrespectful but to her it isn't, she's just doing gods work so in her eyes she's not wrong no matter what anyone says. As a matter of fact, any opposition just makes her feel stronger about her beliefs. It's focking insanity. My mom is here physically but mentally she is no longer the person I knew and it happened almost over night. Its just not right, its like a disease has poisoned her brain and the disease is multiplying in her head. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:57:32 AM EDT
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It's already been covered, but in PA, we still have some odd alcohol sale laws. I went to grad school in a dry town (Slippery Rock) that didn't change until around 2004. I also grew up in the 80's when stores were closed on Saturdays and Sundays.
Every unit of currency around me mentions God. People knock on my door a few times a month trying to convert me (I'm .5 miles away from a Kingdom Hall). I get handed pamphlets when I'm at fairs, concerts and sporting events. It's mildly annoying, but I try to be polite. All that being said, I don't really care. I'm not a real religious guy, but I fully respect anyone who chooses to participate. I'm not a non-believer, I just don't agree with the big church model. To each his own. I'll leave you alone to do your thing and all I ask is you leave me alone to do mine. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:57:55 AM EDT
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google blue laws it's not the idea of the baptists restricting booze sales. it's the idea that a theocracy is no better than a dictatorship and NEITHER has a place in a free governement. Religion in society must be tempored with reason. The US is a largely christian nation but it is not an ONLY christian nation. But if a majority of people in a community want that, then shouldn't that be ok? I mean it's not the feds enforcing it. BTW, TBS, you KNOW I don't support blue laws. I just think that people in a city can make the rules if thats what the majority of them want. Hell, Arab, AL is wet now. the blue laws in alabama for YEARS were wildly unpopular yet were mandated from the state level... city/county had no say. Look at the gambling issue here now. Want to gamble.. move one state over, wnat to hold a freindly poker night with the boys.... your subject to home invasion and felony arrest. and yes it HAS happened here. Our own govenor has stated gambling is against christian values and should not be allowed in alabama. My point is that GOD will judge man for his actions. It is NOT the role of government to legislate a man's morality or lack of it, UNTIL he crosses the line and break a societal law. you can legislate prostitution illegal, has it removed it? nope i can look out my office window and spot a hooker within 10 min. Only the lord knows what is in a mans heart. Legislating it a crime only removes more freedom from society and doesn't changes the mans desires, in fact it tends to foster them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:58:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: If the majority of people in a community want to ban guns, is that OK?Quoted: google blue laws it's not the idea of the baptists restricting booze sales. it's the idea that a theocracy is no better than a dictatorship and NEITHER has a place in a free governement. Religion in society must be tempored with reason. The US is a largely christian nation but it is not an ONLY christian nation. But if a majority of people in a community want that, then shouldn't that be ok? I mean it's not the feds enforcing it. BTW, TBS, you KNOW I don't support blue laws. I just think that people in a city can make the rules if thats what the majority of them want. Hell, Arab, AL is wet now. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:58:14 AM EDT
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Couldn't have an abortion? No alcohol purchases on Sundays? Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays? Every religious thread in here is full of peresecuted individuals decrying the tactics of "self-righteous Christians" constantly "forcing their religion" upon people. The whole idea of letting them be them and you be you seems to be responded with some story of how Christians force their views upon people. So in YOUR life, what difference has a Christian made? What freedom of your has been curtailed by "fundies?" BTW: This IS a serious question. I seriously can't think of one thing I wanted to do that was denied because of religion or religious people. you can't think of it because you agree with it. if it affected you you'd be raising hell. Guess what no going to walmart on wednesday becuase it's jehovas witness day, want to hit the liqure store friday night? sorry ramadan. olive garden tonight? sorry pastafarian passover night...closed Religion has it's place... with the individual. it has no place mandating rules and laws on society. i always get a laugh when i hear we are founded on judeo christian values, yet people ignore those very values are based on older religious teaching they adopted. Ok, so we have a no shit I must agree or I'd notice hence why I asked the GD heathens. Thats not onsightful or proof I'm a christian, thats common sense. The rest of that is strawman nonsense followed by the exact same generalities that promted this thread. So lets get a list. So far we have: hookers blow the same tax free not for profit status that every other not for profit gets cemetaries lol no faggotry in adoption and no booze on Sundays |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:02:05 AM EDT
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OP, add no hunting on Sundays to your list. Still a PA rule.
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:03:31 AM EDT
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Couldn't have an abortion? No alcohol purchases on Sundays? Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays? Every religious thread in here is full of peresecuted individuals decrying the tactics of "self-righteous Christians" constantly "forcing their religion" upon people. The whole idea of letting them be them and you be you seems to be responded with some story of how Christians force their views upon people. So in YOUR life, what difference has a Christian made? What freedom of your has been curtailed by "fundies?" BTW: This IS a serious question. I seriously can't think of one thing I wanted to do that was denied because of religion or religious people. you can't think of it because you agree with it. if it affected you you'd be raising hell. Guess what no going to walmart on wednesday becuase it's jehovas witness day, want to hit the liqure store friday night? sorry ramadan. olive garden tonight? sorry pastafarian passover night...closed Religion has it's place... with the individual. it has no place mandating rules and laws on society. i always get a laugh when i hear we are founded on judeo christian values, yet people ignore those very values are based on older religious teaching they adopted. Ok, so we have a no shit I must agree or I'd notice hence why I asked the GD heathens. Thats not onsightful or proof I'm a christian, thats common sense. The rest of that is strawman nonsense followed by the exact same generalities that promted this thread. So lets get a list. So far we have: hookers blow the same tax free not for profit status that every other not for profit gets cemetaries lol no faggotry in adoption and no booze on Sundays so you don't want discussion just trolling |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:04:13 AM EDT
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Couldn't have an abortion? No alcohol purchases on Sundays? Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays? Every religious thread in here is full of peresecuted individuals decrying the tactics of "self-righteous Christians" constantly "forcing their religion" upon people. The whole idea of letting them be them and you be you seems to be responded with some story of how Christians force their views upon people. So in YOUR life, what difference has a Christian made? What freedom of your has been curtailed by "fundies?" BTW: This IS a serious question. I seriously can't think of one thing I wanted to do that was denied because of religion or religious people. I have to pay taxes to the Church of Sweden even though I'm not a member and even though the church and the state separated ten years ago. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:04:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was blown away when I realized that there are places that forbid hunting on Sundays like Virginia!  When is the working man supposed to get his outdoor fix? I guess they consider hunting only the sport of kings like in the old country. Have a job and only get the weekend off? Better hunt twice as hard Saturday.  Found a complete list of States that ban Sunday Hunting Alabama Connecticut Delaware Georgia Maine Maryland New Jersey Pennsylvania Virginia West Virginia Really in these "Red" States In PA it is for private landowners. It may have had religious implications in the past but every time it comes up now private landowners want "a day off" from hunters. It is as simple as that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:04:50 AM EDT
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You asked and a dozen things have been named... What number will make you happy?
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:05:40 AM EDT
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If they just keep to themselves and stay out of my airspace, I'll be fine, and happy for them. Too many Christians proselytize, and their inherent evangelical smugness gets annoying. Believe whatever fantasies you wish, but keep your morality to yourselves.
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:06:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing. There are exceptions to alcohol restrictions in places like Utah where it comes from religious traditions, but in other states like PA, the legacy for no alcohol sales on Sundays, state stores ecte ct are from Democrat/Progressive big gov. regulations imposed after the repeal of prohibition in the 1930's. And the government just arbitrarily picked Sunday? I think not. YES. Pennsy has State run liquor stores since the end of prohibition. Keep in mind that up until the early 1980's, almost every business was closed on Sundays including places like shopping malls. Hell, alot of places when I grew up were closed Saturday AND Sunday and it wasn't because of any overt religious reasons. Having business's open 7 days a week is a fairly recent phenomena that many of the younger members here will not comprehend. State run liquor stores are not interested in customer service or convenience. Your state run DMV isn't open on Sundays is it? Is that because of religion? I grew up in PA until I was 16 then lived there again for 6 years from 99-05. Sunday prohibition has definitely got a religious foundation - and not just in PA. ETA - laws against hunting on Sunday are the same way. Our liquor stores are open on Sunday now. Same for beer dist. Why were the state stores not open on Sunday? You have to hire more workers and since it is a state run gig with a union involved you can imagine the cost. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:07:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: If they just keep to themselves and stay out of my airspace, I'll be fine, and happy for them. Too many Christians proselytize, and their inherent evangelical smugness gets annoying. Believe whatever fantasies you wish, but keep your morality to yourselves. You mentioned evangelical. Not too many of them up north. You could always try that...  |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:07:33 AM EDT
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They turned me into a newt. Exactly what I was going to say... 
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:08:05 AM EDT
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google blue laws how long have those been gone? Still in existence here in GA... Which is complete and utter horse shit, if you ask me. Might as well pass a law that says I must attend church on <insert holy day here>... |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:10:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: I could buy shitloads of land, too, if I didn't pay title or property tax on it. I have to, so I can't. That means the land is not being used for its best use for the community. So if it wasn't for taxes you'd be a land baron? And even if that line of BS was true, you're also saying that whatever use you'd put it to is better than the use the church puts it to, which is another possible load of crap. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:10:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Blue laws, abortion, war on drugs, prostitution, trying to force creationism into schools... Quoted: ...I don't force my religion on anyone... You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others. War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion. Bull shit. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:10:55 AM EDT
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Christianity has robbed me of my mother. She was a regular middle class women who was on the fence about religion her whole life and then my step dad cheated on her and now she's gone off the deep end. Everything revolves around religion now. She's said certain things that I feel are disrespectful but to her it isn't, she's just doing gods work so in her eyes she's not wrong no matter what anyone says. As a matter of fact, any opposition just makes her feel stronger about her beliefs. It's focking insanity. My mom is here physically but mentally she is no longer the person I knew and it happened almost over night. Its just not right, its like a disease has poisoned her brain and the disease is multiplying in her head. Sorry but the Christians did not take her away she already had an issue, she is just using this as an excuse. I am a christian and I have a Sister like your mom, yep she was nuts before she found God as well she uses God as an excuse for her behavior. Real Christians don't use God as a Crutch |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:11:50 AM EDT
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As a Christian, I don't force my religion on anyone. Now if someone mocks my religion or asks questions, I'll engage them but otherwise, I keep to myself. The only thing I support is ban on abortion. To me it's murder. This plus gay marriage |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:12:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: I was blown away when I realized that there are places that forbid hunting on Sundays like Virginia! When is the working man supposed to get his outdoor fix? I guess they consider hunting only the sport of kings like in the old country. Have a job and only get the weekend off? Better hunt twice as hard Saturday. Found a complete list of States that ban Sunday Hunting Alabama Connecticut Delaware Georgia Maine Maryland New Jersey Pennsylvania Virginia West Virginia Really in these "Red" States We are a pretty conflicted state. More than one handgun a month is evil!...unless you hold a CC permit. open carry of an "assault rifle" is evil!...unless you hold a CC permit. etc. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:12:33 AM EDT
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Obvious troll is obvious.
Self righteous people who want to push their version of <whatever> on me are extremely irritating. Some of those people do so under the blanket of religion, and some use another excuse. Blatant christian-bashing is freaking annoying. That happens a lot here. Persecuted "I'm so oppressed, boo hoo everybody is after me" christians are freaking annoying. This also happens a lot here. This appears to be what you're trolling for in this thread. You can replace "christian" in the above two lines with just about anything and it's equally annoying, though not as common in the halls of ARFCOM. Not every christian is my friend, and not every non-christian is my enemy. Attention whores are annoying as hell, and some christians on this board (like their polar opposites on the athiest side, also a minority of their group) fit into that category. End of story. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:13:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: google blue laws how long have those been gone? Still can't buy booze on Sunday or Christmas. Surely that has nothing to do with religion  Dunno our liquor stores are controlled by State Union workers. Heck they only work about 5hrs a day as it is. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:16:18 AM EDT
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"My Friend" cant have sex with his 14 year old neighbor. Friggen Christians!
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:16:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: If the founders based our laws on the bible and judeo-christian ethics, there would be laws against adultery, idols, and cursing using god's name. Give it up. Christian bashing is ingrained in the ARFCOM psyche... They rage against the very beliefs and teachings the Founder Fathers held faith in, lived by and which inspired the founding documents... In other words, ARFCOM wants its guns without even a wink and a nod toward the Judeo-Christian ethic that preserves them... Hate God, but keep his good shit...  Our laws were based on libertarian principles. Infringe on no one's rights and you may do as you wish. They had already seen the evil that could come from mixing religion and government. That is why, in the very first amendment they wrote and ratified ,"Congress shall make no law....". If you want to see what a theocracy is, go to Iran or Saudi Arabia. Which person's interpretation of the bible shall we govern by? |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:18:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Blue laws, abortion, war on drugs, prostitution, trying to force creationism into schools... Quoted: ...I don't force my religion on anyone... You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others. War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion. Bull shit. Prove it.  |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:19:00 AM EDT
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...I don't force my religion on anyone... You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others. War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion.
Find me a Christian that wouldn't fight lifting bans on either. Gay marriage is largely blocked by Christians. Christian temperance movement banned alcohol leading to gangs nearly taking over the country, which gave us the NFA and a hugely powerful Federal police force. Censorship, pornography bans, trolling GD. War on Drugs? 
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:19:37 AM EDT
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google blue laws it's not the idea of the baptists restricting booze sales. it's the idea that a theocracy is no better than a dictatorship and NEITHER has a place in a free governement. Religion in society must be tempored with reason. The US is a largely christian nation but it is not an ONLY christian nation. That can be solved in a democratic method can it not? I'm not fond of them either
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:20:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: So lets get a list. So far we have: hookers blow the same tax free not for profit status that every other not for profit gets cemetaries lol no faggotry in adoption and no booze on Sundays If I recall correctly, outdoor ranges in Georgia (not sure if it's statewide or just certain counties - it's been a few years since I went to one) also restrict shooting on Sunday - not just hunting. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:20:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: No. Do you understand the difference between a democracy and a republic. We are supposed to be the latter, not the former. Quoted: google blue laws it's not the idea of the baptists restricting booze sales. it's the idea that a theocracy is no better than a dictatorship and NEITHER has a place in a free governement. Religion in society must be tempored with reason. The US is a largely christian nation but it is not an ONLY christian nation. But if a majority of people in a community want that, then shouldn't that be ok? I mean it's not the feds enforcing it. BTW, TBS, you KNOW I don't support blue laws. I just think that people in a city can make the rules if thats what the majority of them want. Hell, Arab, AL is wet now. Democracy = Mob rules. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:22:46 AM EDT
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Well, let's see...
Um... Actually they recently repealed that whole "No booze sales on Sunday" law... Ahh.... No other "blue laws" I can conceive... Yeah, you know what? I can't think of any laws on the books here in Colorado that have a religious/fundamental motivation behind them. And I live in Colorado Springs –– the self-proclaimed "Vatican West", and supposed epicenter of evangelical Christianity. It seems the western culture of "Don't push your shit on me and I won't do it to you" is still king out here. _MaH |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:22:47 AM EDT
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...I don't force my religion on anyone... You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others. War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion.
Find me a Christian that wouldn't fight lifting bans on either. Gay marriage is largely blocked by Christians. Christian temperance movement banned alcohol leading to gangs nearly taking over the country, which gave us the NFA and a hugely powerful Federal police force. Censorship, pornography bans, trolling GD. War on Drugs?
Being a Christian doesn't automatically make someone an authoritarian. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:23:49 AM EDT
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Couldn't have an abortion? No alcohol purchases on Sundays? Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays? Every religious thread in here is full of peresecuted individuals decrying the tactics of "self-righteous Christians" constantly "forcing their religion" upon people. The whole idea of letting them be them and you be you seems to be responded with some story of how Christians force their views upon people. So in YOUR life, what difference has a Christian made? What freedom of your has been curtailed by "fundies?" BTW: This IS a serious question. I seriously can't think of one thing I wanted to do that was denied because of religion or religious people. you can't think of it because you agree with it. if it affected you you'd be raising hell. Guess what no going to walmart on wednesday becuase it's jehovas witness day, want to hit the liqure store friday night? sorry ramadan. olive garden tonight? sorry pastafarian passover night...closed Religion has it's place... with the individual. it has no place mandating rules and laws on society. i always get a laugh when i hear we are founded on judeo christian values, yet people ignore those very values are based on older religious teaching they adopted. Ok, so we have a no shit I must agree or I'd notice hence why I asked the GD heathens. Thats not onsightful or proof I'm a christian, thats common sense. The rest of that is strawman nonsense followed by the exact same generalities that promted this thread. So lets get a list. So far we have: hookers blow the same tax free not for profit status that every other not for profit gets cemetaries lol no faggotry in adoption and no booze on Sundays so you don't want discussion just trolling Absolutely not. From what I read on here (ex: Glenn Beck threads) there are people complaining about their lives being drastically altered and freedoms being infringed by Christians "forcing" their religion, and I thought damn, maybe they are and I just never noticed. The list compiled above is mostly archaic assinine laws which these days would probably get no major opposition from the church and certainly none at the national level, to laws I would blame as much on populist mandate as I would on Christians. Hell, last year they tried to change the laws in Kansas so thay liquor stores coulr be open on Sundays. It failed after being pushed by chain stores and opposed by liquor store employees that enjoyed their one day a week off. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:23:51 AM EDT
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Judeo-Christians FORCED me to have a conscience and MAKE ME try to be a better person towards my fellow human beings... DAMN THEM! Damn them to HELL!!!! OTOH, certain religious groups have forced me to wait in long lines, strip off clothing and get body scanned when trying to take a flight. Yeah I know, if your not a christian there is no possible way for you to have a conscience, and be a better person towards your fellow man. Those I'm always told are "christian" values, so there is no way a Jew or Atheist, or anyone else can have them right? |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:23:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: be christian I don't care, I just don't want religion in my government, why is that so hard to understand? I swear you guys are like gays thinking you are being persecuted just stop it cool, send me all of your cash and coins that says "In God we trust" Let me know how much the shipping is and I'll pay it  |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:24:02 AM EDT
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google blue laws it's not the idea of the baptists restricting booze sales. it's the idea that a theocracy is no better than a dictatorship and NEITHER has a place in a free governement. Religion in society must be tempored with reason. The US is a largely christian nation but it is not an ONLY christian nation. yes an d while I agree with your theory,,with out the Moral code of the Judeo/Christian Concepts of Self control, Self sufficiency and Responsibility for ones actions, a truly FREE Society IE Free Republic, can not last the nature of MAN is to control his own destiny or be controlled. pertty much the two choices, with out the basics rule of civility found in both these faiths, Law has no meaning. with out respect of a 'final solution: of the actions you chose to make, there is no respect for Gods law, there will be no respect for the laws of man.. 
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:24:19 AM EDT
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...I don't force my religion on anyone... You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others. War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion.
Find me a Christian that wouldn't fight lifting bans on either. Gay marriage is largely blocked by Christians. Christian temperance movement banned alcohol leading to gangs nearly taking over the country, which gave us the NFA and a hugely powerful Federal police force. Censorship, pornography bans, target of trolling in GD. 
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:24:52 AM EDT
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Being a Christian doesn't automatically make someone an authoritarian. Doesn't hurt either. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:25:00 AM EDT
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Well, let's see... Um... Actually they recently repealed that whole "No booze sales on Sunday" law... Ahh.... No other "blue laws" I can conceive... Yeah, you know what? I can't think of any laws on the books here in Colorado that have a religious/fundamental motivation behind them. And I live in Colorado Springs –– the self-proclaimed "Vatican West", and supposed epicenter of evangelical Christianity. It seems the western culture of "Don't push your shit on me and I won't do it to you" is still king out here. _MaH CO doesn't have a clue what the epicenter of evangelical christianity is. i'd bet we have you beat 10-1 |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:25:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: google blue laws how long have those been gone? Still in existence here in GA... Which is complete and utter horse shit, if you ask me. Might as well pass a law that says I must attend church on <insert holy day here>... You're serious. Because businesses are closed you equate it to them putting a gun to your head stating YOU MUST ATTEND OR ELSE? |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:25:19 AM EDT
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I hear many, many more Christians crying that they are persecuted than I hear non-Christians complaining about how Christians forced them to do something. But that's because you only hear what you want to hear. Christians can point out ANYTHING and you - you specifically, I mean - are almost always the FIRST one to caricature it as a whining cry of persecution. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:25:36 AM EDT
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Yep, you are right. No income tax, no sales tax, no property tax. No FICA tax for employees. I would be rolling in dough. So would you.
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I could buy shitloads of land, too, if I didn't pay title or property tax on it. I have to, so I can't. That means the land is not being used for its best use for the community. So if it wasn't for taxes you'd be a land baron? And even if that line of BS was true, you're also saying that whatever use you'd put it to is better than the use the church puts it to, which is another possible load of crap. The use the land is put to by someone who has to pay its true value, including tax, is always going to be better than the use it is put to by the owner who pays no tax and who obtains their money, tax free, from donations. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:25:52 AM EDT
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Couldn't have an abortion? No alcohol purchases on Sundays? Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays? Every religious thread in here is full of peresecuted individuals decrying the tactics of "self-righteous Christians" constantly "forcing their religion" upon people. The whole idea of letting them be them and you be you seems to be responded with some story of how Christians force their views upon people. So in YOUR life, what difference has a Christian made? What freedom of your has been curtailed by "fundies?" BTW: This IS a serious question. I seriously can't think of one thing I wanted to do that was denied because of religion or religious people. you can't think of it because you agree with it. if it affected you you'd be raising hell. Guess what no going to walmart on wednesday becuase it's jehovas witness day, want to hit the liqure store friday night? sorry ramadan. olive garden tonight? sorry pastafarian passover night...closed Religion has it's place... with the individual. it has no place mandating rules and laws on society. i always get a laugh when i hear we are founded on judeo christian values, yet people ignore those very values are based on older religious teaching they adopted. Ok, so we have a no shit I must agree or I'd notice hence why I asked the GD heathens. Thats not onsightful or proof I'm a christian, thats common sense. The rest of that is strawman nonsense followed by the exact same generalities that promted this thread. So lets get a list. So far we have: hookers blow the same tax free not for profit status that every other not for profit gets cemetaries lol no faggotry in adoption and no booze on Sundays so you don't want discussion just trolling Absolutely not. From what I read on here (ex: Glenn Beck threads) there are people complaining about their lives being drastically altered and freedoms being infringed by Christians "forcing" their religion, and I thought damn, maybe they are and I just never noticed. The list compiled above is mostly archaic assinine laws which these days would probably get no major opposition from the church and certainly none at the national level, to laws I would blame as much on populist mandate as I would on Christians. Hell, last year they tried to change the laws in Kansas so thay liquor stores coulr be open on Sundays. It failed after being pushed by chain stores and opposed by liquor store employees that enjoyed their one day a week off. funny this state is covered up in fights with those laws every year. big enough that real issues get buried. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:26:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:26:44 AM EDT
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First of all, I am a Christian. Having said that, Christians have had a great deal of impact, though lessening on the laws in this country.
I dunno where you live but there in Texas we still have "dry" counties. Places where alcohol cannot be sold. They are that way because of the influence of the Church. Take a look at the General Discussion thread from just yesterday about the "Swingers Convention" in Odessa, Texas and tell me "The Church" has no influence on peoples' lives who may not follow the same beliefs..... Up until the 80's there were many laws called "blue laws" that specifically said that it was illegal to sell anything intended for "work" on a Sunday- You couldn't buy a shovel or a pair of work gloves for example on a Sunday. That's a crock of shit, plain and simple and I'm glad that most of those laws have been struck down, though a few remain. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:27:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Christianity has robbed me of my mother. She was a regular middle class women who was on the fence about religion her whole life and then my step dad cheated on her and now she's gone off the deep end. Everything revolves around religion now. She's said certain things that I feel are disrespectful but to her it isn't, she's just doing gods work so in her eyes she's not wrong no matter what anyone says. As a matter of fact, any opposition just makes her feel stronger about her beliefs. It's focking insanity. My mom is here physically but mentally she is no longer the person I knew and it happened almost over night. Its just not right, its like a disease has poisoned her brain and the disease is multiplying in her head. Real Christians don't use God as a Crutch I knew some folks growing up that lost faith in the Catholic Church and became Born Agains/Evangelicals. They were nucking futs to start and they just used their new "religion" to promote their nuttiness. They are the only people who imposed their lifestyle on me and when I alerted my parents to it they told these folks to stop. In fact we just quit associating with them. Any belief can be taken to an extreme as we all are too familiar with. Do not blame the belief in a faith for all of the world's problems. |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:28:52 AM EDT
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I can't masturbate on an airplane
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:29:03 AM EDT
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Accosted me in public several times trying to "save" me , even when I participated in organized religious services on a regular basis. So a few of them have been generally annoying to me in the past. Yes I know it's just a minor inconvenience , but I am just answering the question asked. Can you imagine what they would do if I as an Atheist knocked on their door trying to use science to drag them out of the dark ages? |
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Posted: 9/2/2010 10:30:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: First of all, I am a Christian. Having said that, Christians have had a great deal of impact, though lessening on the laws in this country. I dunno where you live but there in Texas we still have "dry" counties. Places where alcohol cannot be sold. They are that way because of the influence of the Church. Take a look at the General Discussion thread from just yesterday about the "Swingers Convention" in Odessa, Texas and tell me "The Church" has no influence on peoples' lives who may not follow the same beliefs..... Up until the 80's there were many laws called "blue laws" that specifically said that it was illegal to sell anything intended for "work" on a Sunday- You couldn't buy a shovel or a pair of work gloves for example on a Sunday. That's a crock of shit, plain and simple and I'm glad that most of those laws have been struck down, though a few remain. Will o da people. In ARFcom fashion, if you don't like their majority you can move away from it. |
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