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Officer went home safely. Thus, fulfilling his job description. Officver safety like a mofo #!!!!11111111 to the top Boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy its like the cop role call. Someone with a clipboard says "Is everyone safe" - everyone raises hand but the dead boy and girl who died on the way to hospital- Then the guy with the clipboard says "keep up the good work" |
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Quoted: $1,000 fine I'm kind of torn on this. I know they didn't mean to do it, but you can't just shoot guns willy nilly and whenever something happens say "oops. That was an accident". The fine is an insult. Why can't they sentence them to 2 years in jail? They wouldn't do all of it, and they could get an expungement. ....$1,000 fine Do you really think you would go to jail for the same thing? Very doubtful. I know a numb nuts that ran a stop sign and killed a off-duty fireman. He did not do any jail time since there was no alcohol involved. He received a ticket and his insurance paid out to the family. This shooting was a tragic accident and the LEO in question used extremely poor judgement. I agree they shouldn't be a cop anymore, but jail time is a bit extreme. |
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i was post certified. my family is full of leos. if this happened to my boy, someone would pay. i dont care the circumstances or the consequenses. pure and simple.
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Was the kid driving a Maxima? I remember something like that back in the day when I was on maxima.org Eclipse I think sure it was a set up but the cop fell right into it found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFXNcKjqdg Things like this really get my blood boiling. And to think that in some states, not only would that kid have been arrested on some fake bs charges by this mini hitler, but he would have been charged with felony wire tapping. Anyone know what happened with this "cop". |
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i will play this game of " what ever happened to _____ " "or where are they now.. ? " the cop that was caught on tape being a Dick.. by a kid with a camera on the headrest i think it was ? video is of the kid in a parking lot at night .. cop blocks his car and starts the show.. i forget the place but some cop here was comparing it to warzone. ive wondered what Dept he is working for now. Is that the one that said paraphrasing you fuck with me and Ill make up so much shit you'll never get out of prison? none will believe a 16 year old punk but everyone will believe a police officer or better yet Ill say ya grabbed for my gun I remember that. The kid was transmitting the video offsite so the cop couldn't confiscate it. Smart move. Every encounter between officers and citizens should be on video. It'll help protect the innocent party, whichever party that happens to be. yup. what ever happened to him ? im curious. can anyone find out.. we really do need a "where are they now " on this guy.. ill bet one team membership he is employed somewhere else as a cop now.. < ill donate the membership friday and staff can give it to who ever they want to > Looks like he was fired after all... Suspension and firing of Sgt. James Kuehnlein
On September 7, 2007, Brett Darrow, a St. Louis City resident, created an Internet sensation after posting an online video[5] of an encounter with St. George police Sgt. James Kuehnlein. In the video, Kuehnlein approaches Darrow while he waits in a parked car in a commuter parking lot. When Darrow asks Kuehnlein whether he did anything wrong, the officer orders Darrow out of the car and threatens to fabricate charges and arrest him. Darrow told the news media that he pulled into the commuter lot to meet a friend. When the officer asked him for identification, Darrow said he didn't immediately present it because he believed the officer stopped him without probable cause. After the video gained popularity on the Internet, Kuehnlein was suspended without pay. In response, St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig said, "I was very displeased when I saw the actions on the video."[6] The press later revealed that Sgt. Kuehnlein had been previously arrested for assault and stealing, and in late September, he was fired by the city's Board of Aldermen in a 5-0 vote ETA: A check of court records shows Kuehnlein himself pleaded guilty of assault and stealing in two different cases, in 1988 and 1990. He successfully petitioned a judge in St. Louis County in 1998 to expunge his criminal record, which was making it hard for him to get work as a cop.
The judge ordered those records sealed, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charges. St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig earlier this week suspended Kuehnlein without pay while he investigates the case. On Wednesday, Kuehnlein hired attorney Travis L. Noble, a former police officer. He said he would review the unedited video today. Uhrig said he has worked hard to cleanse the city of its image as a speed trap with a police department staffed by novices. But even he is not untouched by scandal. Five years ago, an administrative commission upheld an accusation that Uhrig propositioned a 17-year-old girl for sex during a traffic stop in 2000, when he was an Arnold officer. Chrystal Cole's civil rights lawsuit against Uhrig and the city went to mediation; the disposition was not made public. Cole told investigators that Uhrig had her drive to an empty parking lot where he spoke of jail, petted her arm and face, told her she was "beautiful, hot, and tempting," and suggested a "quickie." At the time, Uhrig denied ever seeing Cole that night, and said that she had fabricated the story out of malice over her previous contact with Arnold police. The commission upheld Cole's accusation. On Wednesday, Uhrig reacted angrily to questions about the case and repeatedly denied the accusation. In an e-mailed statement, he said, "This incident that I was accused of seven years ago does not (have) anything to do with the current situation." St. George has just under 1,300 people, but its police wrote about 3,000 tickets there in 2005. To Gary Hardesty, a St. George resident for 39 years, his city is "a speed trap." To little benefit of residents, he said, officers camp out on the main thoroughfare, Reavis Barracks Road, and pull over drivers. "If the officers had a good reputation and were qualified, they wouldn't work for this department," said Hardesty, 65. ETA: ST. GEORGE, Mo., Dec. 22 (UPI) –– A former Missouri police chief has been charged with two sex crimes against a 14-year-old child, a Jefferson County prosecutor said.
Scott Uhrig, who was the top police officer in the now-defunct St. George Police Department, was charged Dec. 7 with second-degree statutory sodomy and sexual misconduct involving a child. He pleaded not guilty, and was released Dec. 15 after posting $10,000 bond, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Tuesday. The first charge carries a maximum sentence of seven years and the maximum penalty for the second charge is four years, the newspaper said. Uhrig was required to submit to pretrial supervision by a private probation service, rid his home of all weapons, refrain from contact with the girl, and secure a job or give a good explanation for not having one, as conditions of his bond, the Post-Dispatch said. Prosecutor Forrest Wegge said the alleged crimes took place July 1, 2008, but were not reported to the sheriff's office until May 19. Investigators gave the case to the prosecutor in September. The newspaper did not report the reasons for the delays. I think it's safe to say he will not be a cop anymore. Dear god is it scary to think this guy actually had a gun and a badge. I fully understand that some fall through the cracks, this is totally absurd. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was the kid driving a Maxima? I remember something like that back in the day when I was on maxima.org Eclipse I think sure it was a set up but the cop fell right into it found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFXNcKjqdg Things like this really get my blood boiling. And to think that in some states, not only would that kid have been arrested on some fake bs charges by this mini hitler, but he would have been charged with felony wire tapping. Anyone know what happened with this "cop". Not nearly enough. And, you should not have put the word cop in quotes. He was a cop, pure and simple –– no connotation, just an ordinary cop. |
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$1,000 fine I'm kind of torn on this. I know they didn't mean to do it, but you can't just shoot guns willy nilly and whenever something happens say "oops. That was an accident". The fine is an insult. Why can't they sentence them to 2 years in jail? They wouldn't do all of it, and they could get an expungement. ....$1,000 fine Do you really think you would go to jail for the same thing? Very doubtful. I know a numb nuts that ran a stop sign and killed a off-duty fireman. He did not do any jail time since there was no alcohol involved. He received a ticket and his insurance paid out to the family. This shooting was a tragic accident and the LEO in question used extremely poor judgement. I agree they shouldn't be a cop anymore, but jail time is a bit extreme. A guy in So. AL shot his best friends 7 yr old son in the head (dead) while his dad was holding his hand walking to the best friends treestand at dusk thinking he was a deer. No charges. |
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i will play this game of " what ever happened to _____ " "or where are they now.. ? " the cop that was caught on tape being a Dick.. by a kid with a camera on the headrest i think it was ? video is of the kid in a parking lot at night .. cop blocks his car and starts the show.. i forget the place but some cop here was comparing it to warzone. ive wondered what Dept he is working for now. Is that the one that said paraphrasing you fuck with me and Ill make up so much shit you'll never get out of prison? none will believe a 16 year old punk but everyone will believe a police officer or better yet Ill say ya grabbed for my gun Was the kid driving a Maxima? I remember something like that back in the day when I was on maxima.org You too huh? :-) |
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$1,000 fine I'm kind of torn on this. I know they didn't mean to do it, but you can't just shoot guns willy nilly and whenever something happens say "oops. That was an accident". The fine is an insult. Why can't they sentence them to 2 years in jail? They wouldn't do all of it, and they could get an expungement. ....$1,000 fine Do you really think you would go to jail for the same thing? Very doubtful. I know a numb nuts that ran a stop sign and killed a off-duty fireman. He did not do any jail time since there was no alcohol involved. He received a ticket and his insurance paid out to the family. This shooting was a tragic accident and the LEO in question used extremely poor judgement. I agree they shouldn't be a cop anymore, but jail time is a bit extreme. Yes. I do think I would go to jail for the same thing. |
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$1,000 fine I'm kind of torn on this. I know they didn't mean to do it, but you can't just shoot guns willy nilly and whenever something happens say "oops. That was an accident". The fine is an insult. Why can't they sentence them to 2 years in jail? They wouldn't do all of it, and they could get an expungement. ....$1,000 fine Do you really think you would go to jail for the same thing? Very doubtful. I know a numb nuts that ran a stop sign and killed a off-duty fireman. He did not do any jail time since there was no alcohol involved. He received a ticket and his insurance paid out to the family. This shooting was a tragic accident and the LEO in question used extremely poor judgement. I agree they shouldn't be a cop anymore, but jail time is a bit extreme. A guy in So. AL shot his best friends 7 yr old son in the head (dead) while his dad was holding his hand walking to the best friends treestand at dusk thinking he was a deer. No charges. If that's not an isolated incident, then I stand corrected. I would think I would be in a world of shit. |
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Quoted: there has been a handful of hunting accidents around here over the years none I can recall ended up in jail time Quoted: A guy in So. AL shot his best friends 7 yr old son in the head (dead) while his dad was holding his hand walking to the best friends treestand at dusk thinking he was a deer. No charges. If that's not an isolated incident, then I stand corrected. I would think I would be in a world of shit. |
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anybody got a link to archive of that maxima/camera/dumb cop thread?
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A guy in So. AL shot his best friends 7 yr old son in the head (dead) while his dad was holding his hand walking to the best friends treestand at dusk thinking he was a deer. No charges. So the LEOs were hunting snakes? |
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Quoted: i used to be an avid deer hunter and have always contended that these kind of hunting accidents should be prosecuted Quoted: Quoted: $1,000 fine I'm kind of torn on this. I know they didn't mean to do it, but you can't just shoot guns willy nilly and whenever something happens say "oops. That was an accident". The fine is an insult. Why can't they sentence them to 2 years in jail? They wouldn't do all of it, and they could get an expungement. ....$1,000 fine Do you really think you would go to jail for the same thing? Very doubtful. I know a numb nuts that ran a stop sign and killed a off-duty fireman. He did not do any jail time since there was no alcohol involved. He received a ticket and his insurance paid out to the family. This shooting was a tragic accident and the LEO in question used extremely poor judgement. I agree they shouldn't be a cop anymore, but jail time is a bit extreme. A guy in So. AL shot his best friends 7 yr old son in the head (dead) while his dad was holding his hand walking to the best friends treestand at dusk thinking he was a deer. No charges. i see no excuse for (i thought it was a deer). as to the subject of the leo shooting the child my guess is that individual will be scarred for life but i do think there should have been a stiffer punishment,certainly commensurate with what a civilian would get
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Saw this tonight...I figured it was worth a click http://newsok.com/oklahoma-medical-examiner-rules-hunters-death-a-homicide/article/3491675?custom_click=headlines_widget Oklahoma medical examiner rules hunter's death a homicide The Oklahoma medical examiner has ruled a Hartshorne hunter's death a homicide, but the Latimer County district attorney still must decide if the fatal shooting merits criminal charges. The victim's widow says her husband and the shooter were "the best of friends." WILBURTON — The widow of a Hartshorne man who was killed while deer hunting with a friend said Friday her husband's death was an accident and she doesn't want charges filed. The death of John A. Morgan, 44, has been ruled a homicide by the state medical examiner's office, spokeswoman Cherokee Ballard said. Morgan was shot and killed Oct. 24 while hunting with Jack Zearley in the Gowen Mountain area. Investigators said Zearley, 70, fired a high-powered rifle at a deer that was between the two men. "I feel like it was an accident," Dana Morgan said of her husband's death. "They were the best of friends." Zearley has neither been arrested nor charged. He does not have a published telephone number and was unavailable for comment. Morgan said she told the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation she didn't want charges filed against Zearley. "Filing charges against him would be a tragedy upon a tragedy," Morgan said. OSBI spokeswoman Jessica Brown declined to release investigation specifics. She said the OSBI report was given to the district attorney's office. Jeff Smith, Latimer County district attorney, said the legal definition of homicide is when one person inflicts a fatal wound on another person. The circumstances surrounding the death make it either accidental or intentional and determine whether charges are filed, Smith said. Smith said the incident is under review and no decision has been made on whether charges will be filed in the death. The shooting has been very hard on Zearley, Morgan said. She said he stops by her home often to check on the family. "He has no family around here, so when I cook dinner I always make sure I fix him a plate," Morgan said. A state Wildlife Conservation Department spokesman said that at the time of the shooting, the men had no hunting licenses and weren't wearing hunter safety clothing. They were hunting during a season open only for archery and muzzleloading firearms. Morgan said she didn't know why her husband didn't have his hunting license or why he wasn't wearing a hunter's vest. "He was an avid hunter," Morgan said. "He knew all the rules." |
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Quoted: a quick google brings up this blog post from 2008 According to James Haley, the idiots will be fined $1000, lose their law enforcement license, and will be put on probation. No jail time will be served, and most appalling of all, after two years have passed, they will be able under Oklahoma law to have the offense expunged from their records. This means that they could return to a position in law enforcement. I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. Sounds right. What was the names of the officers? |
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Quoted: Haley said sentencing for Paul Bradley Rogers, 34, and Robert Shawn Richardson, 29, would be deferred for two years in exchange for them entering guilty pleas. The men also would be fined $1,000 each and ordered to forfeit their state law enforcement certifications, he said. Assistant District Attorney David Brockman declined to confirm that an offer has been made in the cases. " I can't find anything on Rogers in the court database. Which means he has probably already been expunged. Richardson's still shows up. And it shows he completed his probabtion. First page of PC Affadavit. http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/getimage.tif?submitted=true&casemasterid=389139&db=CLEVELAND&barcode=1005521916 |
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This is the first iv'e heard of this story, breaks my damn heart. I see/hear of a lot of cops who just because their a cop think their pro shooters. Even though many of them never touched a gun prior to academy. Seems they didn't observe "know your target and whats behind it."
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Put a round through an apartment accidentally in Maricopa County and they will try to send you to prison for a minimum of 1.5 years. Max sentence is 3 years.
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I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. The person who owned the land told the officers to shoot the snake. The officer I'm sure did not want to kill that boy. Money says that Officers going to be haunted for life, no sane man or woman would want to murder an innocent human being. I think firing him is a bad idea, even though this is a tragedy. I know if it was me in those officers shoes it would be hard to live with myself if something like that happened. That warmed my fucking heart. You too? |
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I'd like to know the outcome of the old dude in Florida that shot the off duty cop Federal Officer who had a road rage issue. old man was a CCW holder, officer had his kid in the car, showed agression, old guy tried to get away, off duty cop persued was fired upon, "course of events" there appears to be NO verdict on the internet anywhere indictment from the grand jury for manslaughter, with a 10000 bail(seems pretty low) , but I cannot find any conviction or aquittal. |
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I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. The person who owned the land told the officers to shoot the snake. The officer I'm sure did not want to kill that boy. Money says that Officers going to be haunted for life, no sane man or woman would want to murder an innocent human being. I think firing him is a bad idea, even though this is a tragedy. I know if it was me in those officers shoes it would be hard to live with myself if something like that happened. That warmed my fucking heart. You too? Heck, now I feel worse for the cop than for the 5 year old that was out fishing with his grandpa. I mean, he has to live with this. Fortunately for all of us, this was just an isolated incident. |
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Fortunately for all of us, this was just an isolated incident. I have to agree with this. The cops do things in their line of work that is often times more risky than a day of a normal person, and sometimes accidents truly happen. The problem comes when a cop get a lesser punishment than a non-cop would. Personally, I think that the courts strive to make someone liable for everything bad that happens, even when someone should not be liable. The problem here is the courts, and the leniency towards police; not the police themselves. If it had not been a cop, manslaughter charges would probably be in order. |
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Fortunately for all of us, this was just an isolated incident. I have to agree with this. The cops do things in their line of work that is often times more risky than a day of a normal person, and sometimes accidents truly happen. The problem comes when a cop get a lesser punishment than a non-cop would. Personally, I think that the courts strive to make someone liable for everything bad that happens, even when someone should not be liable. The problem here is the courts, and the leniency towards police; not the police themselves. If it had not been a cop, manslaughter charges would probably be in order. Violating the four rules isn't an accident. It's negligence. The fact that the cop had a gun and a badge (and presumably training) to back this horrible decision up makes it that much worse. Cops are granted this responsibility as part of their job and therefore must be held to a higher standard than the general populace. You don't want the responsibility? Don't sign on for the ride. |
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a quick google brings up this blog post from 2008 According to James Haley, the idiots will be fined $1000, lose their law enforcement license, and will be put on probation. No jail time will be served, and most appalling of all, after two years have passed, they will be able under Oklahoma law to have the offense expunged from their records. This means that they could return to a position in law enforcement.
I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. The person who owned the land told the officers to shoot the snake. The officer I'm sure did not want to kill that boy. Money says that Officers going to be haunted for life, no sane man or woman would want to murder an innocent human being. I think firing him is a bad idea, even though this is a tragedy. I know if it was me in those officers shoes it would be hard to live with myself if something like that happened. Wow just wow! |
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sure it was a set up but the cop fell right into it found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFXNcKjqdg He didn't fall into anything. He charged headfirst. That officer represents some of the worst corruption out there. Not only did he threaten to destroy somebody with made-up bullshit, he was incompetent, too (claimed the kid didn't use his directional when in fact the kid did). What happened to this prick? |
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All I want to know is if the cop was allowed to go on vacation after the shooting?
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I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. The person who owned the land told the officers to shoot the snake. The officer I'm sure did not want to kill that boy. Money says that Officers going to be haunted for life, no sane man or woman would want to murder an innocent human being. I think firing him is a bad idea, even though this is a tragedy. I know if it was me in those officers shoes it would be hard to live with myself if something like that happened. and? So If cops come to my property and I ask them to shoot some critters they will do so even if it is an unsafe thing to do? No. Shooting at a snake up in a tree seems to me an obvious stupid thing to do. Something I would have though an officer of the law that is issued a firearm might have been aware of. |
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i will play this game of " what ever happened to _____ " "or where are they now.. ? " the cop that was caught on tape being a Dick.. by a kid with a camera on the headrest i think it was ? video is of the kid in a parking lot at night .. cop blocks his car and starts the show.. i forget the place but some cop here was comparing it to warzone. ive wondered what Dept he is working for now. Is that the one that said paraphrasing you fuck with me and Ill make up so much shit you'll never get out of prison? none will believe a 16 year old punk but everyone will believe a police officer or better yet Ill say ya grabbed for my gun I remember that. The kid was transmitting the video offsite so the cop couldn't confiscate it. Smart move. Every encounter between officers and citizens should be on video. It'll help protect the innocent party, whichever party that happens to be. unfortunately some states have law against filming cops, maybe recording as well...? States that obviously support corruption in law enforcement. |
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I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. The person who owned the land told the officers to shoot the snake. The officer I'm sure did not want to kill that boy. Money says that Officers going to be haunted for life, no sane man or woman would want to murder an innocent human being. I think firing him is a bad idea, even though this is a tragedy. I know if it was me in those officers shoes it would be hard to live with myself if something like that happened. and? So If cops come to my property and I ask them to shoot some critters they will do so even if it is an unsafe thing to do? No. Shooting at a snake up in a tree seems to me an obvious stupid thing to do. Something I would have though an officer of the law that is issued a firearm might have been aware of. The quote that you are referring to is not clear..the property owner NEXT DOOR called the cops about the snake..when the cops shot at the snake the bullet left that property..the victim's family had no clue |
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and? So If cops come to my property and I ask them to shoot some critters they will do so even if it is an unsafe thing to do? No. Shooting at a snake up in a tree seems to me an obvious stupid thing to do. Something I would have though an officer of the law that is issued a firearm might have been aware of. The quote that you are referring to is not clear..the property owner NEXT DOOR called the cops about the snake..when the cops shot at the snake the bullet left that property..the victim's family had no clue yeah, it appears there is more to the story, but shooting at a snake up in a tree is a stupid idea and the outcome proves just why that is. and if they are going to shoot snakes.. get some snake shot. terrible story all the way around, the kind of thing that scares the shit out of me as a shooter. a round going off missing the backstop, ricocheting, nd etc.. and hitting something or even someone... |
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and? So If cops come to my property and I ask them to shoot some critters they will do so even if it is an unsafe thing to do? No. Shooting at a snake up in a tree seems to me an obvious stupid thing to do. Something I would have though an officer of the law that is issued a firearm might have been aware of. The quote that you are referring to is not clear..the property owner NEXT DOOR called the cops about the snake..when the cops shot at the snake the bullet left that property..the victim's family had no clue yeah, it appears there is more to the story, but shooting at a snake up in a tree is a stupid idea and the outcome proves just why that is. and if they are going to shoot snakes.. get some snake shot. Yup...years later its still breaks my heart...could you imagine fishing with your 5 year old Grandkid at the family pond just chattin away about life... then you look up and he's got a hole on his forehead?? |
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a quick google brings up this blog post from 2008 According to James Haley, the idiots will be fined $1000, lose their law enforcement license, and will be put on probation. No jail time will be served, and most appalling of all, after two years have passed, they will be able under Oklahoma law to have the offense expunged from their records. This means that they could return to a position in law enforcement.
I cannot vouch for the veracity of the info. The person who owned the land told the officers to shoot the snake. The officer I'm sure did not want to kill that boy. Money says that Officers going to be haunted for life, no sane man or woman would want to murder an innocent human being. I think firing him is a bad idea, even though this is a tragedy. I know if it was me in those officers shoes it would be hard to live with myself if something like that happened. Holy fuck. That cop had the WORST sense of judgement. Snake + AR15 DOES NOT EQUAL a good shoot. He killed someone with a rifle instead of killing a snake with a stick. Of course he should be fired. |
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No jury would have convicted them. If this is true, then why plea bargain? bingo. Pure tragedy any way you turn it, but I still feel that incidents like this just create a wider riff between leo's and the populous. I assure you that if the role was reversed, or actually if the shooter wasn't leo that the outcome would have been vastly different. Ever time I see statements like this it drives me insane. Google, news, "Accidental shooting". Notice the vast majority of those shootings that involve criminal charges have the following traits: playing with gun, alcohol and/or drugs or allowing a minor access to a firearm. Very few true accidental shootings have charges attached that do not involved the previous issues. Don't be too sure...We had a incident a few years ago up here...father had an ND and it killed his daughter.....guess where he still is. |
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Saw this tonight...I figured it was worth a click http://newsok.com/oklahoma-medical-examiner-rules-hunters-death-a-homicide/article/3491675?custom_click=headlines_widget Oklahoma medical examiner rules hunter's death a homicide The Oklahoma medical examiner has ruled a Hartshorne hunter's death a homicide, but the Latimer County district attorney still must decide if the fatal shooting merits criminal charges. The victim's widow says her husband and the shooter were "the best of friends." WILBURTON — The widow of a Hartshorne man who was killed while deer hunting with a friend said Friday her husband's death was an accident and she doesn't want charges filed. The death of John A. Morgan, 44, has been ruled a homicide by the state medical examiner's office, spokeswoman Cherokee Ballard said. Morgan was shot and killed Oct. 24 while hunting with Jack Zearley in the Gowen Mountain area. Investigators said Zearley, 70, fired a high-powered rifle at a deer that was between the two men. "I feel like it was an accident," Dana Morgan said of her husband's death. "They were the best of friends." Zearley has neither been arrested nor charged. He does not have a published telephone number and was unavailable for comment. Morgan said she told the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation she didn't want charges filed against Zearley. "Filing charges against him would be a tragedy upon a tragedy," Morgan said. OSBI spokeswoman Jessica Brown declined to release investigation specifics. She said the OSBI report was given to the district attorney's office. Jeff Smith, Latimer County district attorney, said the legal definition of homicide is when one person inflicts a fatal wound on another person. The circumstances surrounding the death make it either accidental or intentional and determine whether charges are filed, Smith said. Smith said the incident is under review and no decision has been made on whether charges will be filed in the death. The shooting has been very hard on Zearley, Morgan said. She said he stops by her home often to check on the family. "He has no family around here, so when I cook dinner I always make sure I fix him a plate," Morgan said. A state Wildlife Conservation Department spokesman said that at the time of the shooting, the men had no hunting licenses and weren't wearing hunter safety clothing. They were hunting during a season open only for archery and muzzleloading firearms. Morgan said she didn't know why her husband didn't have his hunting license or why he wasn't wearing a hunter's vest. "He was an avid hunter," Morgan said. "He knew all the rules." Do you know the definition of homicide? What point were you trying to make by posting this article? Brian |
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I can only imagine, we have lost some children in my extended family but not like that. Even though they (cops) got off light. If they have any conscience at all (and I assume they do) this will haunt them until their dying day. AllserviceBilliards- they used an AR for the snake? where did you see that? I just assumed they used their sidearms... |
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For the record. Bad shoot, officer should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide and be tried. If found guilty, should do the requisite time in prison. Stupid hurts, and it should. pato Would Joe Civilian be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide under the same circumstances? I agree it's an incredibly bad decision but I'm not sure jail/prison time would be warranted regardless of the shooters occupation. Brian |
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For the record. Bad shoot, officer should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide and be tried. If found guilty, should do the requisite time in prison. Stupid hurts, and it should. pato Would Joe Civilian be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide under the same circumstances? I agree it's an incredibly bad decision but I'm not sure jail/prison time would be warranted regardless of the shooters occupation. Brian why wouldn't they? Do you not know the meaning or definitions of the terms? It wouldn't be capital murder son. Even if you kill someone accidentally, its still your fault, your actions ended someone life gotta face the penalty. |
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